Cadent - gas main/to house replacement

[Jethro_uk]

Just had a notice that our streets entire gas main is to be replaced.
Along with individual pipes to each property.

Outfit called "Cadent".

Apparently each phase of the project is undertaken by a different unit of
highly skilled operatives.

Putting aside my cynicism that the previous sentence sounds like
preparing the ground for a job that is never finished, it seems they are
going to want to rip up the old pipe under paths, lawns and drives to lay
the new ones.

The accompanying leaflet had a series of before'n'after shots of
different drives and paths they'd replaced.

Sadly at that point my cynicism kicks in, and I find myself not believing
they will ever put anything back remotely satisfactorily.

Just wondered if anyone had any run ins like this previously ?

I'm mildly concerned as I put some decking over our path for SWMBO
wheelchair, and I have zero faith they will dissemble it, do the job and
restore it as before ... which is going to lead to an interesting stand
off.

Of course they could use some sort of mole. However having seen and
spoken to VM when laying a cable with a spade, I'm going to hazard a
guess they won't risk it because they have no idea what's down there.

Our road was resurfaced perfectly 7 years ago - including pavements. I
knew it was too good to last.

[Mr Pounder Esquire]

Post by Jethro_uk
Just had a notice that our streets entire gas main is to be replaced.
Along with individual pipes to each property.
Outfit called "Cadent".
Apparently each phase of the project is undertaken by a different
unit of highly skilled operatives.
Putting aside my cynicism that the previous sentence sounds like
preparing the ground for a job that is never finished, it seems they
are going to want to rip up the old pipe under paths, lawns and
drives to lay the new ones.
The accompanying leaflet had a series of before'n'after shots of
different drives and paths they'd replaced.
Sadly at that point my cynicism kicks in, and I find myself not
believing they will ever put anything back remotely satisfactorily.
Just wondered if anyone had any run ins like this previously ?
I'm mildly concerned as I put some decking over our path for SWMBO
wheelchair, and I have zero faith they will dissemble it, do the job
and restore it as before ... which is going to lead to an interesting
stand off.
Of course they could use some sort of mole. However having seen and
spoken to VM when laying a cable with a spade, I'm going to hazard a
guess they won't risk it because they have no idea what's down there.
Our road was resurfaced perfectly 7 years ago - including pavements. I
knew it was too good to last.

The gas pipes were replaced around here a few years ago and they did a very
good job.

[Jethro_uk]

Post by Mr Pounder Esquire

Post by Jethro_uk
Just had a notice that our streets entire gas main is to be replaced.
Along with individual pipes to each property.
Outfit called "Cadent".
Apparently each phase of the project is undertaken by a different unit
of highly skilled operatives.
Putting aside my cynicism that the previous sentence sounds like
preparing the ground for a job that is never finished, it seems they
are going to want to rip up the old pipe under paths, lawns and drives
to lay the new ones.
The accompanying leaflet had a series of before'n'after shots of
different drives and paths they'd replaced.
Sadly at that point my cynicism kicks in, and I find myself not
believing they will ever put anything back remotely satisfactorily.
Just wondered if anyone had any run ins like this previously ?
I'm mildly concerned as I put some decking over our path for SWMBO
wheelchair, and I have zero faith they will dissemble it, do the job
and restore it as before ... which is going to lead to an interesting
stand off.
Of course they could use some sort of mole. However having seen and
spoken to VM when laying a cable with a spade, I'm going to hazard a
guess they won't risk it because they have no idea what's down there.
Our road was resurfaced perfectly 7 years ago - including pavements. I
knew it was too good to last.

The gas pipes were replaced around here a few years ago and they did a
very good job.

That's slightly reassuring ....

[Tim+]

Post by Jethro_uk
Just had a notice that our streets entire gas main is to be replaced.
Along with individual pipes to each property.
Outfit called "Cadent".
Apparently each phase of the project is undertaken by a different unit of
highly skilled operatives.
Putting aside my cynicism that the previous sentence sounds like
preparing the ground for a job that is never finished, it seems they are
going to want to rip up the old pipe under paths, lawns and drives to lay
the new ones.
The accompanying leaflet had a series of before'n'after shots of
different drives and paths they'd replaced.
Sadly at that point my cynicism kicks in, and I find myself not believing
they will ever put anything back remotely satisfactorily.
Just wondered if anyone had any run ins like this previously ?
I'm mildly concerned as I put some decking over our path for SWMBO
wheelchair, and I have zero faith they will dissemble it, do the job and
restore it as before ... which is going to lead to an interesting stand
off.
Of course they could use some sort of mole. However having seen and
spoken to VM when laying a cable with a spade, I'm going to hazard a
guess they won't risk it because they have no idea what's down there.
Our road was resurfaced perfectly 7 years ago - including pavements. I
knew it was too good to last.

Our gas main was “replaced” a few years ago.

Basically they dig a hole in the pavement outside every property, and mole
a new gas pipe to wherever they plan to take the gas supply in. In our case
this was also combined with relocating the gas meter outside. They had to
dig one intermediate hole in our garden to locate/redirect the mole as the
mole direction isn’t particularly controllable.

The old gas main in the street is used as a conduit to feed a new plastic
main through so a continuous trench isn’t required.

Tim

[Jethro_uk]

Post by Tim+
Basically they dig a hole in the pavement outside every property, and
mole a new gas pipe to wherever they plan to take the gas supply in. In
our case this was also combined with relocating the gas meter outside.

Ah, they did mention this - currently our meter is in an externally
accessible "room" (we call it our bin store). There's no external wall
for a meter to go on - the door to the bin store is next to one of our
front doors, and the side of the property is up to the boundary - an
external meter would trespass onto next doors airspace.

Be interesting to see how they plan to tackle it ...

[Chris Hogg]

Our gas main was “replaced” a few years ago.
Basically they dig a hole in the pavement outside every property, and mole
a new gas pipe to wherever they plan to take the gas supply in. In our case
this was also combined with relocating the gas meter outside. They had to
dig one intermediate hole in our garden to locate/redirect the mole as the
mole direction isn’t particularly controllable.

Much the same happened when I had my meter moved and the existing pipe
was condemned - they moled most of the new pipe out to the main in the
road, where they just dug a hole to make the final connection.

[Chris Bartram]

Post by Tim+

Post by Jethro_uk
Just had a notice that our streets entire gas main is to be replaced.
Along with individual pipes to each property.
Outfit called "Cadent".
Apparently each phase of the project is undertaken by a different unit of
highly skilled operatives.

*cough*

[snip]

Post by Tim+

Post by Jethro_uk
Sadly at that point my cynicism kicks in, and I find myself not believing
they will ever put anything back remotely satisfactorily.
Just wondered if anyone had any run ins like this previously ?
I'm mildly concerned as I put some decking over our path for SWMBO
wheelchair, and I have zero faith they will dissemble it, do the job and
restore it as before ... which is going to lead to an interesting stand
off.
Of course they could use some sort of mole. However having seen and
spoken to VM when laying a cable with a spade, I'm going to hazard a
guess they won't risk it because they have no idea what's down there.

VM are arch bodgers for this kind of stuff!

Post by Tim+

Post by Jethro_uk
Our road was resurfaced perfectly 7 years ago - including pavements. I
knew it was too good to last.

Our gas main was “replaced” a few years ago.
Basically they dig a hole in the pavement outside every property, and mole
a new gas pipe to wherever they plan to take the gas supply in. In our case
this was also combined with relocating the gas meter outside. They had to
dig one intermediate hole in our garden to locate/redirect the mole as the
mole direction isn’t particularly controllable.
The old gas main in the street is used as a conduit to feed a new plastic
main through so a continuous trench isn’t required.
Tim

They did this at my Mom's house. The repair of the drive afterwards was
pretty OK, TBH. Main problem was they totally ignored my instructions to
contact me before starting work and just did it. (Mom had dementia), oh,
then the damned boiler was condemmed when they came to reconnect.

Overall, the actual driveway work could have been a lot worse.

[charles]

Post by Jethro_uk
Just had a notice that our streets entire gas main is to be replaced.
Along with individual pipes to each property.
Outfit called "Cadent".
Apparently each phase of the project is undertaken by a different unit of
highly skilled operatives.
Putting aside my cynicism that the previous sentence sounds like
preparing the ground for a job that is never finished, it seems they are
going to want to rip up the old pipe under paths, lawns and drives to lay
the new ones.
The accompanying leaflet had a series of before'n'after shots of
different drives and paths they'd replaced.
Sadly at that point my cynicism kicks in, and I find myself not believing
they will ever put anything back remotely satisfactorily.
Just wondered if anyone had any run ins like this previously ?

[Snip]
We had our steel gas feeder pipe replaced witha plastic one when the they
repalced the main in the road. The simply dug a hole close to tehnhouse and
used a 'mole' to create a hole through which they pushed the new pipe,.

OTOH, when VM replaced the cable to my daughter's house they simply threw
the cable into the boundary hedge.

[Steve Walker]

Post by charles

Post by Jethro_uk
Just had a notice that our streets entire gas main is to be replaced.
Along with individual pipes to each property.
Outfit called "Cadent".
Apparently each phase of the project is undertaken by a different unit of
highly skilled operatives.
Putting aside my cynicism that the previous sentence sounds like
preparing the ground for a job that is never finished, it seems they are
going to want to rip up the old pipe under paths, lawns and drives to lay
the new ones.
The accompanying leaflet had a series of before'n'after shots of
different drives and paths they'd replaced.
Sadly at that point my cynicism kicks in, and I find myself not believing
they will ever put anything back remotely satisfactorily.

At my parents, the new pipe could mainly run under the garden, but an
18" section of path between the garden and the house wall (that I'm sure
they could have hand dug under) was cut out and replaced with very black
tarmac - not a good look against a yellow concrete driveway and path!

Post by charles

Post by Jethro_uk
Just wondered if anyone had any run ins like this previously ?

[Snip]
We had our steel gas feeder pipe replaced witha plastic one when the they
repalced the main in the road. The simply dug a hole close to tehnhouse and
used a 'mole' to create a hole through which they pushed the new pipe,.

Our whole road was done a couple of years ago.

The new plastic pipes from the new main to the houses were simply pushed
through the existing metal pipes. I assume that to maintain flow, they
increased the pressure in the new main. The regulator on the top of the
meter of course reduces it back to the right level for the house.

SteveW

[Jethro_uk]

Post by Steve Walker
The new plastic pipes from the new main to the houses were simply pushed
through the existing metal pipes. I assume that to maintain flow, they
increased the pressure in the new main.

The decommissioning of gasometers being proof they've upped pressure to
linepack the gas ....

[Dave Plowman (News)]

Post by charles
We had our steel gas feeder pipe replaced witha plastic one when the they
repalced the main in the road. The simply dug a hole close to tehnhouse and
used a 'mole' to create a hole through which they pushed the new pipe,.

The iron barrel type was 'replace' here some time ago. Without any
disturbance to the outside of my property - all done from the street and
inside. I did wonder if they just fed a plastic pipe inside the iron
barrel.

[Andy Burns]

Post by Jethro_uk
Just had a notice that our streets entire gas main is to be replaced.
Along with individual pipes to each property.

we got the letters about 3 years ago, with a specified week as the start
date ... not seen or heard from them since (it wasn't cadent).

Post by Jethro_uk
Outfit called "Cadent".

They do trace their roots back to sizeable chunks of the regional gas
boards.

[Brian Reay]

Post by Jethro_uk
Just had a notice that our streets entire gas main is to be replaced.
Along with individual pipes to each property.
Outfit called "Cadent".
Apparently each phase of the project is undertaken by a different unit of
highly skilled operatives.
Putting aside my cynicism that the previous sentence sounds like
preparing the ground for a job that is never finished, it seems they are
going to want to rip up the old pipe under paths, lawns and drives to lay
the new ones.
The accompanying leaflet had a series of before'n'after shots of
different drives and paths they'd replaced.
Sadly at that point my cynicism kicks in, and I find myself not believing
they will ever put anything back remotely satisfactorily.
Just wondered if anyone had any run ins like this previously ?
I'm mildly concerned as I put some decking over our path for SWMBO
wheelchair, and I have zero faith they will dissemble it, do the job and
restore it as before ... which is going to lead to an interesting stand
off.
Of course they could use some sort of mole. However having seen and
spoken to VM when laying a cable with a spade, I'm going to hazard a
guess they won't risk it because they have no idea what's down there.
Our road was resurfaced perfectly 7 years ago - including pavements. I
knew it was too good to last.

Without in anyway trying to be rude, you clearly have a special case due
to your wife's wheelchair. I would suggest you contact them and ask how
they plan to ensure that any disruption of her access etc is minimised.
In the circumstances, it doesn't seem at all unreasonable they should
visit beforehand and look at your property to check if there are any
special problems which may impact the job (replacing the pipes).

[Jethro_uk]

Post by Brian Reay

Post by Jethro_uk
Just had a notice that our streets entire gas main is to be replaced.
Along with individual pipes to each property.
Outfit called "Cadent".
Apparently each phase of the project is undertaken by a different unit
of highly skilled operatives.
Putting aside my cynicism that the previous sentence sounds like
preparing the ground for a job that is never finished, it seems they
are going to want to rip up the old pipe under paths, lawns and drives
to lay the new ones.
The accompanying leaflet had a series of before'n'after shots of
different drives and paths they'd replaced.
Sadly at that point my cynicism kicks in, and I find myself not
believing they will ever put anything back remotely satisfactorily.
Just wondered if anyone had any run ins like this previously ?
I'm mildly concerned as I put some decking over our path for SWMBO
wheelchair, and I have zero faith they will dissemble it, do the job
and restore it as before ... which is going to lead to an interesting
stand off.
Of course they could use some sort of mole. However having seen and
spoken to VM when laying a cable with a spade, I'm going to hazard a
guess they won't risk it because they have no idea what's down there.
Our road was resurfaced perfectly 7 years ago - including pavements. I
knew it was too good to last.

Without in anyway trying to be rude, you clearly have a special case due
to your wife's wheelchair. I would suggest you contact them and ask how
they plan to ensure that any disruption of her access etc is minimised.
In the circumstances, it doesn't seem at all unreasonable they should
visit beforehand and look at your property to check if there are any
special problems which may impact the job (replacing the pipes).

Whilst I hear what you are saying, if they are flummoxed by a householder
in a wheelchair, then they aren't coming within 100 miles of our house. I
could understand their being taken aback if I had a previously
undiscovered genus of Homo lurking in the garden, or a well concealed
nuclear bunker. But they should be well up on less able homeowners.

And if they aren't now, they will be when I have finished with them.

My main concern is with my "bodge it" hat on, I can see them ripping
through the joists with a saw, and then shrugging when it all looks like
a mini adventure playground when they've finished. Bearing in mind
they've already laid the ground for leaving it like that forever while
"the next crew" are supposed to fix it.

And I'm very nervous that the letter made specific reference to
"different teams". Because that's just giving everyone a "not my job guv"
excuse - before a spade has hit the ground ...

[Tim+]

Post by Jethro_uk

Post by Brian Reay

Post by Jethro_uk
Just had a notice that our streets entire gas main is to be replaced.
Along with individual pipes to each property.
Outfit called "Cadent".
Apparently each phase of the project is undertaken by a different unit
of highly skilled operatives.
Putting aside my cynicism that the previous sentence sounds like
preparing the ground for a job that is never finished, it seems they
are going to want to rip up the old pipe under paths, lawns and drives
to lay the new ones.
The accompanying leaflet had a series of before'n'after shots of
different drives and paths they'd replaced.
Sadly at that point my cynicism kicks in, and I find myself not
believing they will ever put anything back remotely satisfactorily.
Just wondered if anyone had any run ins like this previously ?
I'm mildly concerned as I put some decking over our path for SWMBO
wheelchair, and I have zero faith they will dissemble it, do the job
and restore it as before ... which is going to lead to an interesting
stand off.
Of course they could use some sort of mole. However having seen and
spoken to VM when laying a cable with a spade, I'm going to hazard a
guess they won't risk it because they have no idea what's down there.
Our road was resurfaced perfectly 7 years ago - including pavements. I
knew it was too good to last.

Without in anyway trying to be rude, you clearly have a special case due
to your wife's wheelchair. I would suggest you contact them and ask how
they plan to ensure that any disruption of her access etc is minimised.
In the circumstances, it doesn't seem at all unreasonable they should
visit beforehand and look at your property to check if there are any
special problems which may impact the job (replacing the pipes).

Whilst I hear what you are saying, if they are flummoxed by a householder
in a wheelchair, then they aren't coming within 100 miles of our house. I
could understand their being taken aback if I had a previously
undiscovered genus of Homo lurking in the garden, or a well concealed
nuclear bunker. But they should be well up on less able homeowners.
And if they aren't now, they will be when I have finished with them.
My main concern is with my "bodge it" hat on, I can see them ripping
through the joists with a saw, and then shrugging when it all looks like
a mini adventure playground when they've finished. Bearing in mind
they've already laid the ground for leaving it like that forever while
"the next crew" are supposed to fix it.
And I'm very nervous that the letter made specific reference to
"different teams". Because that's just giving everyone a "not my job guv"
excuse - before a spade has hit the ground ...

You really need to talk with them. Is your meter getting relocated at the
same time? If so, I’m sure they’ll accept suggestions of placements that
minimise disruption. They won’t want to rip up decking any more than you
do.

Even if your meter isn’t relocated, the new main doesn’t have to follow the
route of the old.

Tim

[Chris J Dixon]

Post by Jethro_uk
And I'm very nervous that the letter made specific reference to
"different teams". Because that's just giving everyone a "not my job guv"
excuse - before a spade has hit the ground ...

They did some near me recently. Most of the house connections
appeared to be run inside the existing pipes.

They seemed to have one team excavating and doing the piping,
with a separate sub-contractor later making good, to an
acceptable standard in my judgement.

I happened by on one occasion, and found a guy with a calibrated
board dropped into the trench using his mobile to take a shot
showing correct depth.

Chris

[Terry Casey]

Post by Jethro_uk
Just had a notice that our streets entire gas main is to be replaced.
Along with individual pipes to each property.
Outfit called "Cadent".
Apparently each phase of the project is undertaken by a different unit of
highly skilled operatives.
Putting aside my cynicism that the previous sentence sounds like
preparing the ground for a job that is never finished, it seems they are
going to want to rip up the old pipe under paths, lawns and drives to lay
the new ones.
The accompanying leaflet had a series of before'n'after shots of
different drives and paths they'd replaced.
Sadly at that point my cynicism kicks in, and I find myself not believing
they will ever put anything back remotely satisfactorily.

At our previous house, all the water mains were replaced. OK,
only as far as the wateermeter/stopcock, not all the way into
the house. It was all done by pushing new plastic pipe inside
the old steel pipes with minimal excavations required.

[David]

says...

Post by Jethro_uk
Just had a notice that our streets entire gas main is to be replaced.
Along with individual pipes to each property.
Outfit called "Cadent".
Apparently each phase of the project is undertaken by a different unit
of highly skilled operatives.
Putting aside my cynicism that the previous sentence sounds like
preparing the ground for a job that is never finished, it seems they
are going to want to rip up the old pipe under paths, lawns and drives
to lay the new ones.
The accompanying leaflet had a series of before'n'after shots of
different drives and paths they'd replaced.
Sadly at that point my cynicism kicks in, and I find myself not
believing they will ever put anything back remotely satisfactorily.

At our previous house, all the water mains were replaced. OK,
only as far as the wateermeter/stopcock, not all the way into the house.
It was all done by pushing new plastic pipe inside the old steel pipes
with minimal excavations required.

Just to reassure everybody, when they replaced the water main in the
street for our previous house they used a "mole".

Some time later the sewage backed up and couldn't be rodded out.

We called them in, and they were going to charge us for clearing the
blockage until they discovered that the had "moled" a water pipe straight
through our sewer connection.

Cheers



Dave R

[Brian Gaff]

Funny that as round here they merely pushed yellow plastic up the existing
pipes and connected that to their new main that went down the pavement. Also
before the job started they asked about any disabled people and were very
good at helping me not go tumbling down any holes left as they passed by. In
the end I never opted for reconnection of gas. Its terminated in the road
outside my house so if anyone wants gas they can always add a pipe. Looking
at the piece of the old Gas pipe they pulled out from under my fence I could
see why it was going to need the whole street doing it as wafer thin and
mostly made of rust.

I see now the water lot want to replace their lead pipes so we shall see
how they get on.
Brian
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Post by Jethro_uk
Just had a notice that our streets entire gas main is to be replaced.
Along with individual pipes to each property.
Outfit called "Cadent".
Apparently each phase of the project is undertaken by a different unit of
highly skilled operatives.
Putting aside my cynicism that the previous sentence sounds like
preparing the ground for a job that is never finished, it seems they are
going to want to rip up the old pipe under paths, lawns and drives to lay
the new ones.
The accompanying leaflet had a series of before'n'after shots of
different drives and paths they'd replaced.
Sadly at that point my cynicism kicks in, and I find myself not believing
they will ever put anything back remotely satisfactorily.
Just wondered if anyone had any run ins like this previously ?
I'm mildly concerned as I put some decking over our path for SWMBO
wheelchair, and I have zero faith they will dissemble it, do the job and
restore it as before ... which is going to lead to an interesting stand
off.
Of course they could use some sort of mole. However having seen and
spoken to VM when laying a cable with a spade, I'm going to hazard a
guess they won't risk it because they have no idea what's down there.
Our road was resurfaced perfectly 7 years ago - including pavements. I
knew it was too good to last.

[Mr Pounder Esquire]

Post by Jethro_uk
Just had a notice that our streets entire gas main is to be replaced.
Along with individual pipes to each property.
Outfit called "Cadent".
Apparently each phase of the project is undertaken by a different
unit of highly skilled operatives.
Putting aside my cynicism that the previous sentence sounds like
preparing the ground for a job that is never finished, it seems they
are going to want to rip up the old pipe under paths, lawns and
drives to lay the new ones.
The accompanying leaflet had a series of before'n'after shots of
different drives and paths they'd replaced.
Sadly at that point my cynicism kicks in, and I find myself not
believing they will ever put anything back remotely satisfactorily.
Just wondered if anyone had any run ins like this previously ?
I'm mildly concerned as I put some decking over our path for SWMBO
wheelchair, and I have zero faith they will dissemble it, do the job
and restore it as before ... which is going to lead to an interesting
stand off.
Of course they could use some sort of mole. However having seen and
spoken to VM when laying a cable with a spade, I'm going to hazard a
guess they won't risk it because they have no idea what's down there.
Our road was resurfaced perfectly 7 years ago - including pavements. I
knew it was too good to last.

As I remember it.
The guys dug a small hole on the footpath outside my house and one bloke
came in and blanked the gas meter off. Another bloke came round and
un-blanked the meter and reignited the boiler. This on the very same day.
There was no new pipework to the meter.

[ARW]

Post by Jethro_uk
Our road was resurfaced perfectly 7 years ago - including pavements. I
knew it was too good to last.

7 years! Yorkshire Water usually give it 7 days before they start
replacing pipes on a newly surfaced road.

[Jethro_uk]

Post by ARW

Post by Jethro_uk
Our road was resurfaced perfectly 7 years ago - including pavements. I
knew it was too good to last.

7 years! Yorkshire Water usually give it 7 days before they start
replacing pipes on a newly surfaced road.

After the 87 storm, an underground cable was ripped up at the end of our
street by a trees roots. It was temporarily filled in the next day, and
finally properly finished in June 88.

The day after it had been finished (proper nice job, rolled tarmac and
all) BT turned up and ripped it out to do some work.

I suppose in some ways that's cosmic balance for the reverse situation a
few years later (1993), when I visited a friend in a new build where the
roads and pavements had yet to be laid. I commented it would make it easy
for Telewest (!) to lay cable. He said he'd called them, and the address
was on the list for "1997".

Does rather refute the assertion that capitalism is somehow more
efficient than it's alternatives.

[The Natural Philosopher]

Post by Jethro_uk

Post by ARW

Post by Jethro_uk
Our road was resurfaced perfectly 7 years ago - including pavements. I
knew it was too good to last.

7 years! Yorkshire Water usually give it 7 days before they start
replacing pipes on a newly surfaced road.

After the 87 storm, an underground cable was ripped up at the end of our
street by a trees roots. It was temporarily filled in the next day, and
finally properly finished in June 88.
The day after it had been finished (proper nice job, rolled tarmac and
all) BT turned up and ripped it out to do some work.
I suppose in some ways that's cosmic balance for the reverse situation a
few years later (1993), when I visited a friend in a new build where the
roads and pavements had yet to be laid. I commented it would make it easy
for Telewest (!) to lay cable. He said he'd called them, and the address
was on the list for "1997".
Does rather refute the assertion that capitalism is somehow more
efficient than it's alternatives.

Oh dear. Try not to bring political bias into this. State run industry
is just as capable of ensuring the left hand doesn’t know what the right
hand is doing.

IF the same entity is not only in charge of road mending *and* cable
laying AND if that entity's rewards are an inverse function of costs,
then you may see joined up thinking.

The problem is you need to associate reward with performance, which
state industries never have, and link up disparate organisations, which
is not likely under capitalist systems and still unlikely under
socialist ones

To put it simply capitalist systems don’t have the power and socialist
systems don’t have the incentive to do 'joined up thinking'

Even in the case of my own house, second guessing where I might want to
have a socket in ten years time has proved impossible

I ripped down a bit of ceiling to replace a fan I never left an access
panel for. One days work in twenty years is less than one days work at
day one to make a hatch. Until te 20 years were up.

There is a 12V transformer buried in a wall for 17 years that is still
working fine.

Digging up and replacing roads is not the most expensive thing in the world.

Laying miles of ducts that may never be used is more costly

[Steve Walker]

Post by Jethro_uk

Post by ARW

Post by Jethro_uk
Our road was resurfaced perfectly 7 years ago - including pavements. I
knew it was too good to last.

7 years! Yorkshire Water usually give it 7 days before they start
replacing pipes on a newly surfaced road.

After the 87 storm, an underground cable was ripped up at the end of our
street by a trees roots. It was temporarily filled in the next day, and
finally properly finished in June 88.
The day after it had been finished (proper nice job, rolled tarmac and
all) BT turned up and ripped it out to do some work.
I suppose in some ways that's cosmic balance for the reverse situation a
few years later (1993), when I visited a friend in a new build where the
roads and pavements had yet to be laid. I commented it would make it easy
for Telewest (!) to lay cable. He said he'd called them, and the address
was on the list for "1997".
Does rather refute the assertion that capitalism is somehow more
efficient than it's alternatives.

We had 6 months of disruption as about 5 miles of very busy road was
resurfaced - with no sensible route around it and temporary lights
wherever they were working. Within a couple of months of finishing, they
dug it up again and installed fibre-optic cabling along the whole
length, snaking from side to side - despite there being grass verge
along nearly all the length!

SteveW

[Dave Liquorice]

Post by Steve Walker
We had 6 months of disruption as about 5 miles of very busy road was
resurfaced - with no sensible route around it and temporary lights

Temporary lights strike me as a "sensible route around".... At least
compared to the 70 mile diversion we'll have when they *close* for 4
weeks the A689 for resurfacing next month. Which also clashes with
one of the biggest lamb sales in the area and *the* day that the hill
farmers get the majority of their income...

Post by Steve Walker
Within a couple of months of finishing, they dug it up again and
installed fibre-optic cabling along the whole length, snaking from side
to side - despite there being grass verge along nearly all the length!

Bit remiss of the county highways department not to put a Section 58
order on the newly surfaced road. A Section 58 order prevents the
utilties digging up a road for a period of time (3 to 5 years is
normal). There are a couple of get outs though, emergency work or a
new customer connection. Note the use of the singular for customer...

[pete]

Cadent has recently replaced all the gas-pipes on our West London housing estate.
since then, I have noticed a conciderable amount of 'Wire drawing' causing low gas pressure
IE- Food taking longer to cook, situation worse if oven and hob in use at same time.
tried to contact Cadent, firm simply not intersted in our problem

[Tim+]

Post by pete
Cadent has recently replaced all the gas-pipes on our West London housing estate.

Better than having your house explode. E.g.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-glasgow-west-58962007

Post by pete
since then, I have noticed a conciderable amount of 'Wire drawing' causing low gas pressure

Um, association ≠ causation. By what mechanism do you think cable drawing
might be affecting your gas supply?

Tim

[Theo]

Post by Tim+

Post by pete
Cadent has recently replaced all the gas-pipes on our West London housing estate.

Better than having your house explode. E.g.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-glasgow-west-58962007

Post by pete
since then, I have noticed a conciderable amount of 'Wire drawing' causing low gas pressure

Um, association ≠ causation. By what mechanism do you think cable drawing
might be affecting your gas supply?

I'd have thought first course of action would be to get a gas fitter to do a
pressure test, then check with published spec. If low you can ask Cadent to
fix it, if within spec there's less you can do. It's also possible the
pressure is ok but pipework in your property is marginal, and an upgrade
would fix issues.

Theo

[Sam Plusnet]

Post by Theo

Post by Tim+

Post by pete
Cadent has recently replaced all the gas-pipes on our West London housing estate.

Better than having your house explode. E.g.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-glasgow-west-58962007

Post by pete
since then, I have noticed a conciderable amount of 'Wire drawing' causing low gas pressure

Um, association ≠ causation. By what mechanism do you think cable drawing
might be affecting your gas supply?

I'd have thought first course of action would be to get a gas fitter to do a
pressure test, then check with published spec. If low you can ask Cadent to
fix it, if within spec there's less you can do. It's also possible the
pressure is ok but pipework in your property is marginal, and an upgrade
would fix issues.

If the problem was caused by a too small diameter pipework, then a
static pressure test might not show the problem, since the result would
depend on the demand at that point in time.
As the inadequate pipe might feed a number of houses, the demand would
be known.

[Tim+]

Post by Sam Plusnet

Post by Theo

Post by Tim+

Post by pete
Cadent has recently replaced all the gas-pipes on our West London housing estate.

Better than having your house explode. E.g.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-glasgow-west-58962007

Post by pete
since then, I have noticed a conciderable amount of 'Wire drawing'
causing low gas pressure

Um, association ≠ causation. By what mechanism do you think cable drawing
might be affecting your gas supply?

I'd have thought first course of action would be to get a gas fitter to do a
pressure test, then check with published spec. If low you can ask Cadent to
fix it, if within spec there's less you can do. It's also possible the
pressure is ok but pipework in your property is marginal, and an upgrade
would fix issues.

If the problem was caused by a too small diameter pipework, then a
static pressure test might not show the problem, since the result would
depend on the demand at that point in time.
As the inadequate pipe might feed a number of houses, the demand would
be known.

Yep. A pressure test at a time of peak demand is what you need. Not unknown
for pipework to an area to be undersized for the required gas supply.

Still b*gger all to do with “wire drawing” though.

Tim

[Theo]

Post by Tim+

Post by Sam Plusnet

Post by Theo

Post by Tim+

Post by pete
Cadent has recently replaced all the gas-pipes on our West London housing estate.

Better than having your house explode. E.g.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-glasgow-west-58962007

Post by pete
since then, I have noticed a conciderable amount of 'Wire drawing'
causing low gas pressure

Um, association ≠ causation. By what mechanism do you think cable drawing
might be affecting your gas supply?

I'd have thought first course of action would be to get a gas fitter to do a
pressure test, then check with published spec. If low you can ask Cadent to
fix it, if within spec there's less you can do. It's also possible the
pressure is ok but pipework in your property is marginal, and an upgrade
would fix issues.

If the problem was caused by a too small diameter pipework, then a
static pressure test might not show the problem, since the result would
depend on the demand at that point in time.
As the inadequate pipe might feed a number of houses, the demand would
be known.

Yep. A pressure test at a time of peak demand is what you need. Not unknown
for pipework to an area to be undersized for the required gas supply.

Is there some kind of pressure gauge that could be installed so you could
check the pressure at any given time? Then you can send a photo to Cadent
as evidence.

Theo

[Tim+]

Post by Theo

Post by Tim+

Post by Sam Plusnet

Post by Theo

Post by Tim+

Post by pete
Cadent has recently replaced all the gas-pipes on our West London housing estate.

Better than having your house explode. E.g.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-glasgow-west-58962007

Post by pete
since then, I have noticed a conciderable amount of 'Wire drawing'
causing low gas pressure

Um, association ≠ causation. By what mechanism do you think cable drawing
might be affecting your gas supply?

I'd have thought first course of action would be to get a gas fitter to do a
pressure test, then check with published spec. If low you can ask Cadent to
fix it, if within spec there's less you can do. It's also possible the
pressure is ok but pipework in your property is marginal, and an upgrade
would fix issues.

If the problem was caused by a too small diameter pipework, then a
static pressure test might not show the problem, since the result would
depend on the demand at that point in time.
As the inadequate pipe might feed a number of houses, the demand would
be known.

Yep. A pressure test at a time of peak demand is what you need. Not unknown
for pipework to an area to be undersized for the required gas supply.

Is there some kind of pressure gauge that could be installed so you could
check the pressure at any given time? Then you can send a photo to Cadent
as evidence.

https://www.toolstation.com/gas-test-gauge/p85691?

Works for me… ;-)