Upgrade of Thunderbird has installed 115.3.1 (64-bit)

Post by alan_m
I had a message that there was a new version of Thunderbird. I foolishly
downloaded it and it installed. Now, some of my configuration has been
F****D up. I only use Thunderbird for Usenet access and before the
upgrade all unread messages were highlighted in red (including any
collapsed threaded folder containing an unread message). Now the only
indication is that they are in bold. So far I've yet to find any setting
or anything in the help pages that allows the setting to be changed for
coloured text.
Can anyone suggest where a change of coloured text can be implemented.

If you check the add-on that you're using to get coloured text, you
might find that the developer is working on a new version for v115.
There have been many changes with 115, some of which seem most unwelcome
(I'm still on 102). If you've got the time, it might be worth
subscribing to alt.comp.software.thunderbird and reading some of the
threads which have been posted since 115 appeared. Some of the posters
have worked out ways to get back nearly everything they had with 102
(except the missing "thread" lines linking replies to posts, unfortunately).

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Jeff

The Natural Philosopher

2023-10-01 10:02:17 UTC

Oh christ, dont go there., I spend a day customising thunderbird and the
next release fucked it all up. I now regularly have black text on a
black background.

The UI has been hacked by so many people it needs rewriting from scratch

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In practice, there is.
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Andy Burns

2023-10-01 10:31:02 UTC

Post by alan_m
Can anyone suggest where a change of coloured text can be implemented.

Oh christ, dont go there.

Yes anything you do with useChrome.css can get b0rked by updates.

Another way to handle colouring is via tags, you can create message
filters to set tags and then set a colour to display each tag, might not
cover all eventualities

Post by The Natural Philosopher
The UI has been hacked by so many people it needs rewriting from scratch

That's largely what v115 is ...

John Rumm

2023-10-01 12:11:17 UTC

Post by alan_m
Can anyone suggest where a change of coloured text can be implemented.

Oh christ, dont go there.

Yes anything you do with useChrome.css can get b0rked by updates.
Another way to handle colouring is via tags, you can create message
filters to set tags and then set a colour to display each tag, might not
cover all eventualities

I was going to suggest that yesterday, but then realised that the
message filters for news don't seem to include message status "unread"
as something you can filter on.

A useful trick I find is a filter that looks for my name / address in
the "From" field, and then sets the Action to "Tag" the message as
Personal, and set the Watch Thread flag. That then shows any thread I
have started or replied to in a different colour and I can also filer on
"watched" threads - makes it easier to spot replies to older threads
that I otherwise might have missed.

Post by The Natural Philosopher
The UI has been hacked by so many people it needs rewriting from scratch

That's largely what v115 is ...

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charles

2023-10-01 10:30:02 UTC

Post by alan_m
I had a message that there was a new version of Thunderbird. I
foolishly downloaded it and it installed. Now, some of my
configuration has been F****D up. I only use Thunderbird for Usenet
access and before the upgrade all unread messages were highlighted in
red (including any collapsed threaded folder containing an unread
message). Now the only indication is that they are in bold. So far
I've yet to find any setting or anything in the help pages that allows
the setting to be changed for coloured text.
Can anyone suggest where a change of coloured text can be implemented.

Oh christ, dont go there., I spend a day customising thunderbird and the
next release fucked it all up. I now regularly have black text on a
black background.

Luckily, you can get round that by "print screen" - unless you use black
paper

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The Natural Philosopher

2023-10-01 21:25:21 UTC

Post by charles

Post by alan_m
I had a message that there was a new version of Thunderbird. I
foolishly downloaded it and it installed. Now, some of my
configuration has been F****D up. I only use Thunderbird for Usenet
access and before the upgrade all unread messages were highlighted in
red (including any collapsed threaded folder containing an unread
message). Now the only indication is that they are in bold. So far
I've yet to find any setting or anything in the help pages that allows
the setting to be changed for coloured text.
Can anyone suggest where a change of coloured text can be implemented.

Oh christ, dont go there., I spend a day customising thunderbird and the
next release fucked it all up. I now regularly have black text on a
black background.

Luckily, you can get round that by "print screen" - unless you use black
paper

I highlight the hidden text and get purple on green or something. I cant
remember. It makes it OK to read

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For every complex problem there is an answer that is clear, simple, and
wrong.

H.L.Mencken

Clive Page

2023-10-01 10:27:22 UTC

I had a message that there was a new version of Thunderbird. I foolishly downloaded it and it installed. Now, some of my configuration has been F****D up. I only use Thunderbird for Usenet access and before the upgrade all unread messages were highlighted in red (including any collapsed threaded folder containing an unread message). Now the only indication is that they are in bold. So far I've yet to find any setting or anything in the help pages that allows the setting to be changed for coloured text.
Can anyone suggest where a change of coloured text can be implemented.

I set up a new computer and it installed the latest Thunderbird by default. As you say, reading of Usenet News is completely messed up. I found the only solution was to search out a place to download the version 102.14.0 and install that. It claims that your settings might be affected if you go back to an earlier version but in my experience the weren't.

I keep getting prompted to upgrade to the latest Thunderbird - I'd turn off these prompts if I could work out how. Stay with version 102 seems to be the general advice.

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Paul

2023-10-01 19:03:19 UTC

I had a message that there was a new version of Thunderbird. I foolishly downloaded it and it installed. Now, some of my configuration has been F****D up. I only use Thunderbird for Usenet access and before the upgrade all unread messages were highlighted in red (including any collapsed threaded folder containing an unread message). Now the only indication is that they are in bold. So far I've yet to find any setting or anything in the help pages that allows the setting to be changed for coloured text.
Can anyone suggest where a change of coloured text can be implemented.

I set up a new computer and it installed the latest Thunderbird by default. As you say, reading of Usenet News is completely messed up. I found the only solution was to search out a place to download the version 102.14.0 and install that. It claims that your settings might be affected if you go back to an earlier version but in my experience the weren't.
I keep getting prompted to upgrade to the latest Thunderbird - I'd turn off these prompts if I could work out how. Stay with version 102 seems to be the general advice.

The "policies.json" file addition doesn't seem to work in 102.

The settings has a thing to show what version is available,
but without installing it. And, it does not seem to be staged either.
They don't seem to have downloaded the update file (whether a .mar or a .exe) .

[Picture] Tests done on Win10Pro and TBird 102

Loading Image...

To turn on the Menu Bar in TBird, right clicking the area near the top of
the window, reveals a menu with a Menu Bar option. At least, it's still
in 102.

Paul

n***@aolbin.com

2023-10-01 11:42:12 UTC

I believe this will do what you want:
https://addons.thunderbird.net/en-us/thunderbird/addon/quotecolors/ I've
been using it ever since an earlier update to TB broke a previous add-on.

Andy Burns

2023-10-01 11:59:09 UTC

Post by n***@aolbin.com

before the upgrade all unread messages were highlighted in
red (including any collapsed threaded folder containing an unread
message). Now the only indication is that they are in bold.

https://addons.thunderbird.net/en-us/thunderbird/addon/quotecolors/

As far as I know, that add-on only changes colours within the message
pane, and the O/P wants to change colours within the message list pane ...

n***@aolbin.com

2023-10-01 12:04:41 UTC

Post by n***@aolbin.com

before the upgrade all unread messages were highlighted in red
(including any collapsed threaded folder containing an unread
message). Now the only indication is that they are in bold.

https://addons.thunderbird.net/en-us/thunderbird/addon/quotecolors/

As far as I know, that add-on only changes colours within the message
pane, and the O/P wants to change colours within the message list pane ...

:-( Note to self: RTFQ

alan_m

2023-10-01 13:03:10 UTC

Post by n***@aolbin.com

before the upgrade all unread messages were highlighted in red
(including any collapsed threaded folder containing an unread
message). Now the only indication is that they are in bold.

https://addons.thunderbird.net/en-us/thunderbird/addon/quotecolors/

As far as I know, that add-on only changes colours within the message
pane, and the O/P wants to change colours within the message list pane ...

It doesn't even do that. I tried it last night and it changed nothing.

I also found a suggestion about a new syntax in userChrome.css but again
this doesn't seemed to have changed any colours. Yes, I have enabled
toolkit.legacyUserProfileCustomizations.stylesheets

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Andy Burns

2023-10-01 13:15:19 UTC

Post by alan_m

Post by Andy Burns
As far as I know, that add-on only changes colours within the message
pane, and the O/P wants to change colours within the message list pane ...

It doesn't even do that. I tried it last night and it changed nothing.

It certainly changes foreground and background colours of received
messages as intended, I'm reading your reply with it now (your reply is
black, mine is blue, aolbin's is red, and your original is green)

Post by alan_m
I also found a suggestion about a new syntax in userChrome.css but again
this doesn't seemed to have changed any colours. Yes, I have enabled
toolkit.legacyUserProfileCustomizations.stylesheets

Not sure what you mean by "new syntax", but have you got the following
XUL and HTML schema lines in your userChrome.css?

@namespace xul
"http://www.mozilla.org/keymaster/gatekeeper/there.is.only.xul";

@namespace html "http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml";

What else is in your .css file?

alan_m

2023-10-01 13:23:46 UTC

Post by Andy Burns
@namespace xul
"http://www.mozilla.org/keymaster/gatekeeper/there.is.only.xul";
@namespace html "http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml";
What else is in your .css file?

I didn't have the @namespace html i the file but now.....

@namespace
url("http://www.mozilla.org/keymaster/gatekeeper/there.is.only.xul");

@namespace html "http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml";

#threadTree tbody [data-properties~="unread"] {
font-family : Arial !important;
font-weight: Bold !important;
color: red !important }

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alan_m

2023-10-01 13:35:52 UTC

Post by Andy Burns
@namespace xul
"http://www.mozilla.org/keymaster/gatekeeper/there.is.only.xul";

@namespace
url("http://www.mozilla.org/keymaster/gatekeeper/there.is.only.xul");

Solved thanks to your help
@namespace url changed to @namespace xul and now I have red text for
unread messages

The @namespace url is what has been in userChrome.css that I've been
using for a number of years prior to this upgrade - and with red text
for unread usenet messages.

The lines that set red text were what I found this morning when someone
else wanted to do the same thing. This was a different syntax to what I
had originally.

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alan_m

2023-10-01 18:22:43 UTC

Post by alan_m

Post by Andy Burns
@namespace xul
"http://www.mozilla.org/keymaster/gatekeeper/there.is.only.xul";

@namespace
url("http://www.mozilla.org/keymaster/gatekeeper/there.is.only.xul");

Solved thanks to your help
@namespace url changed to @namespace xul and now I have red text for
unread messages
using for a number of years prior to this upgrade - and with red text
for unread usenet messages.
The lines that set red text were what I found this morning when someone
else wanted to do the same thing. This was a different syntax to what I
had originally.

Update
Although unread articles now have red text until read what I have in the
userChrome.css file is only a partial solution.

Previously if I collapsed a thread the text of the collapsed thread was
red if any article in that thread was unread. This allowed easy
identification of a thread that had a new reply. This no longer happens
UNLESS the first article in the thread is also unread.

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Andy Burns

2023-10-01 18:24:59 UTC

what I have in the userChrome.css file is only a partial solution.
Previously if I collapsed a thread the text of the collapsed thread was
red if any article in that thread was unread. This allowed easy
identification of a thread that had a new reply. This no longer happens
UNLESS the first article in the thread is also unread.

what about matching attribute hasUnread as well as unread?

alan_m

2023-10-01 18:49:35 UTC

what I have in the userChrome.css file is only a partial solution.
Previously if I collapsed a thread the text of the collapsed thread
was red if any article in that thread was unread. This allowed easy
identification of a thread that had a new reply. This no longer
happens UNLESS the first article in the thread is also unread.

what about matching attribute hasUnread as well as unread?

Slightly better in that the collapsed thread is now in red text if it
contains an unread message.

What now happens is that all messages in a thread are red text if only
one message is unread. The read messages are also red text.

I've followed many web links about the .css file and have yet to find
any sensible guide about what can be changed in 115.3.1. I have found
many people complaining about their existing css file no longer working.

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Andy Burns

2023-10-01 19:06:23 UTC

Post by alan_m
What now happens is that all messages in a thread are red text if only
one message is unread. The read messages are also red text.

Have you got multiple selectors, e.g.

#threadTree tbody [data-properties~="unread"],
#threadTree tbody [data-properties~="hasUnread"]
{
font-family : Arial !important;
font-weight: Bold !important;
color: red !important
}

Post by alan_m
I've followed many web links about the .css file and have yet to find
any sensible guide about what can be changed in 115.3.1.

You are using the developer tools to inspect the GUI, aren't you?

alan_m

2023-10-01 19:12:47 UTC

Post by alan_m
What now happens is that all messages in a thread are red text if only
one message is unread. The read messages are also red text.

Have you got multiple selectors, e.g.
#threadTree tbody [data-properties~="unread"],
#threadTree tbody [data-properties~="hasUnread"]
{
font-family : Arial !important;
font-weight: Bold !important;
color: red !important
}

Post by alan_m
I've followed many web links about the .css file and have yet to find
any sensible guide about what can be changed in 115.3.1.

You are using the developer tools to inspect the GUI, aren't you?

No, I'm not a developer. I just want the fucking program to work in the
same way as it has done for many years. I'm trying to get clues from
Googling and only finding complete incorrect information that doesn't
apply to this version.

Probably time to seriously consider ditching this program and using home
owners hub instead :(

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Bob Henson

2023-10-01 13:53:59 UTC

Set this as your userChrome.css file. It will give you red text for unread
mail in the message list pane and the last two sections will let you set
the font and text size for both the folder pane and the message list pane
to you own requirements. Works fine here on v.115.

/*
* Do not remove the @namespace line -- it's required for correct
functioning
*/

@namespace xul
"http://www.mozilla.org/keymaster/gatekeeper/there.is.only.xul";
@namespace html "http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml";

#threadTree [data-properties~="unread"] {
-moz-appearance: none !important;
color: #FF0000 !important;
}
#folderTree .children {
font-size: 10px; font-family: Tahoma;
}
#threadTree .children {
font-size: 16px; font-family: Tahoma;
}

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Brian Gaff

2023-10-01 16:40:57 UTC