Sainsburys self service scales

[Jethro_uk]

Now incorporate a camera to automatically select the price for you.

(Doesn't do weigh on settle though)

[Bob Eager]

Post by Jethro_uk
Now incorporate a camera to automatically select the price for you.
(Doesn't do weigh on settle though)

But do they tell you how long a lettuce (or King Charles) will last?

[Jethro_uk]

Post by Bob Eager

Post by Jethro_uk
Now incorporate a camera to automatically select the price for you.
(Doesn't do weigh on settle though)

But do they tell you how long a lettuce (or King Charles) will last?

There was a satirical piece in the register over 15 years ago about an
"app" that could scan fruit and veg and give you the use by date ...

[alan_m]

Post by Jethro_uk

Post by Bob Eager

Post by Jethro_uk
Now incorporate a camera to automatically select the price for you.
(Doesn't do weigh on settle though)

But do they tell you how long a lettuce (or King Charles) will last?

There was a satirical piece in the register over 15 years ago about an
"app" that could scan fruit and veg and give you the use by date ...

Sometimes you can just use your eyes to tell you how long something is
going to last BUT you first have to remove the item away from the
lighting illumination the shelving. Supermarkets are very good at
proving green lighting for fruit/veg, red lighting for meat etc.

[alan_m]

Post by Jethro_uk
Now incorporate a camera to automatically select the price for you.

Isn't that to overcome the problem where most people weighing fruit and
vegetables input carrots as being the product on the scales. Some
supermarkets were selling many tons more carrots than they put on the
shelves.

I note in some of te supermarkets many more cameras monitoring the
individual self service checkouts

[Joe]

On Sat, 10 Feb 2024 14:20:59 +0000

Post by alan_m

Post by Jethro_uk
Now incorporate a camera to automatically select the price for you.

Isn't that to overcome the problem where most people weighing fruit
and vegetables input carrots as being the product on the scales. Some
supermarkets were selling many tons more carrots than they put on
the shelves.
I note in some of te supermarkets many more cameras monitoring the
individual self service checkouts

Costco and Walmart in the US have closed some self-service tills,
allegedly due to 'losses'.

https://edition.cnn.com/2023/11/13/business/self-checkout-stores-shopping/index.html

[SteveW]

Post by Joe
On Sat, 10 Feb 2024 14:20:59 +0000

Post by alan_m

Post by Jethro_uk
Now incorporate a camera to automatically select the price for you.

Isn't that to overcome the problem where most people weighing fruit
and vegetables input carrots as being the product on the scales. Some
supermarkets were selling many tons more carrots than they put on
the shelves.
I note in some of te supermarkets many more cameras monitoring the
individual self service checkouts

Costco and Walmart in the US have closed some self-service tills,
allegedly due to 'losses'.
https://edition.cnn.com/2023/11/13/business/self-checkout-stores-shopping/index.html

I wish Sainsburys near here would do away with some and man more proper
tills.

I'm fed up of long queues at the trolley self-service, because no tills
are manned and the basket self-service is closed, so that they only need
one member of staff.

I'm fed up of scanning a bottle of alcohol (or even alcohol free wine or
beer) and having it flag up as needing approval and needing a tag taken
off, so I can't pack it and end up with the heavy liquids on top of
stuff that gets squashed. Even worse, they now have changed to okaying
the purchase, but they don't take the tag off until after you've paid -
and of course they are then tied up with someone else and you're stuck,
trying to get their attention

It's so much easier to go through the manned till, if any are open.

[The Natural Philosopher]

Post by SteveW
I'm fed up of scanning a bottle of alcohol (or even alcohol free wine or
beer) and having it flag up as needing approval and needing a tag taken
off, so I can't pack it and end up with the heavy liquids on top of
stuff that gets squashed. Even worse, they now have changed to okaying
the purchase, but they don't take the tag off until after you've paid -
and of course they are then tied up with someone else and you're stuck,
trying to get their attention

Shop at Waitrose, instead.

Scan alcohol, position starts flashing, carry on packing till assistant
rocks up, confirms that you are not underage, and that's it. No tags on
on the first place.

[SteveW]

Post by The Natural Philosopher

Post by SteveW
I'm fed up of scanning a bottle of alcohol (or even alcohol free wine
or beer) and having it flag up as needing approval and needing a tag
taken off, so I can't pack it and end up with the heavy liquids on top
of stuff that gets squashed. Even worse, they now have changed to
okaying the purchase, but they don't take the tag off until after
you've paid - and of course they are then tied up with someone else
and you're stuck, trying to get their attention

Shop at Waitrose, instead.
Scan alcohol, position starts flashing, carry on packing till assistant
rocks up, confirms that you are not underage, and that's it. No tags on
on the first place.

Unfortunately, Sainsburys is 5 minutes away, while Waitrose is 30
minutes away, so not really worth the effort for just a few items.

[The Natural Philosopher]

Post by SteveW

Post by The Natural Philosopher

Post by SteveW
I'm fed up of scanning a bottle of alcohol (or even alcohol free wine
or beer) and having it flag up as needing approval and needing a tag
taken off, so I can't pack it and end up with the heavy liquids on
top of stuff that gets squashed. Even worse, they now have changed to
okaying the purchase, but they don't take the tag off until after
you've paid - and of course they are then tied up with someone else
and you're stuck, trying to get their attention

Shop at Waitrose, instead.
Scan alcohol, position starts flashing, carry on packing till
assistant rocks up, confirms that you are not underage, and that's it.
No tags on on the first place.

Unfortunately, Sainsburys is 5 minutes away, while Waitrose is 30
minutes away, so not really worth the effort for just a few items.

Sainsbury's is either 35 minutes away or 50. Oddly enough two Waitroses
in different towns are my nearest stores, with Tescos very close behind.
Maybe Lidl and Aldi are fractionally closer in the town I don't visit
that often, but I didn't find they had the stuff I wanted.
My favourite Waitrose is a very relaxed 25 minute country drive. Ample
parking, relaxed and friendly staff. I don't care if it's ten quid more

[Animal]

Post by SteveW

Post by The Natural Philosopher

Post by SteveW
I'm fed up of scanning a bottle of alcohol (or even alcohol free wine
or beer) and having it flag up as needing approval and needing a tag
taken off, so I can't pack it and end up with the heavy liquids on
top of stuff that gets squashed. Even worse, they now have changed to
okaying the purchase, but they don't take the tag off until after
you've paid - and of course they are then tied up with someone else
and you're stuck, trying to get their attention

Shop at Waitrose, instead.
Scan alcohol, position starts flashing, carry on packing till
assistant rocks up, confirms that you are not underage, and that's it.
No tags on on the first place.

Unfortunately, Sainsburys is 5 minutes away, while Waitrose is 30
minutes away, so not really worth the effort for just a few items.

Sainsbury's is either 35 minutes away or 50. Oddly enough two Waitroses
in different towns are my nearest stores, with Tescos very close behind.
Maybe Lidl and Aldi are fractionally closer in the town I don't visit
that often, but I didn't find they had the stuff I wanted.
My favourite Waitrose is a very relaxed 25 minute country drive. Ample
parking, relaxed and friendly staff. I don't care if it's ten quid more

Waitrose is only £10 more if you're just spending a fiver. OTOH Their Patak's were cheaper than Tesco last time.

[Tim Streater]

Post by alan_m

Post by Jethro_uk
Now incorporate a camera to automatically select the price for you.

Isn't that to overcome the problem where most people weighing fruit and
vegetables input carrots as being the product on the scales.

Why might they do that?

[The Natural Philosopher]

Post by Tim Streater

Post by alan_m

Post by Jethro_uk
Now incorporate a camera to automatically select the price for you.

Isn't that to overcome the problem where most people weighing fruit and
vegetables input carrots as being the product on the scales.

Why might they do that?

Carrots are cheaper than avocados?

[Tim Streater]

On 10 Feb 2024 at 16:23:46 GMT, "The Natural Philosopher"

Post by The Natural Philosopher

Post by Tim Streater

Post by alan_m

Post by Jethro_uk
Now incorporate a camera to automatically select the price for you.

Isn't that to overcome the problem where most people weighing fruit and
vegetables input carrots as being the product on the scales.

Why might they do that?

Carrots are cheaper than avocados?

In the hope that the checkout person doesn't see the words "Loose carrots" in
large text on the sticky label the scroat has attached to the avocado?

[The Natural Philosopher]

Post by Tim Streater
On 10 Feb 2024 at 16:23:46 GMT, "The Natural Philosopher"

Post by The Natural Philosopher

Post by Tim Streater

Post by alan_m

Post by Jethro_uk
Now incorporate a camera to automatically select the price for you.

Isn't that to overcome the problem where most people weighing fruit and
vegetables input carrots as being the product on the scales.

Why might they do that?

Carrots are cheaper than avocados?

In the hope that the checkout person doesn't see the words "Loose carrots" in
large text on the sticky label the scroat has attached to the avocado?

might be self service checkout.

[Peter Johnson]

Post by Tim Streater

Post by The Natural Philosopher

Post by Tim Streater
Why might they do that?

Carrots are cheaper than avocados?

In the hope that the checkout person doesn't see the words "Loose carrots" in
large text on the sticky label the scroat has attached to the avocado?

The customer using the self service scales and misidentifying the
produce will also be using the self-service checkout.

[Tim Streater]

Post by Peter Johnson

Post by Tim Streater

Post by The Natural Philosopher

Post by Tim Streater
Why might they do that?

Carrots are cheaper than avocados?

In the hope that the checkout person doesn't see the words "Loose carrots" in
large text on the sticky label the scroat has attached to the avocado?

The customer using the self service scales and misidentifying the
produce will also be using the self-service checkout.

Certainly. But such get checked from time to time.

[ken]

Post by Tim Streater

Post by alan_m

Post by Jethro_uk
Now incorporate a camera to automatically select the price for you.

Isn't that to overcome the problem where most people weighing fruit and
vegetables input carrots as being the product on the scales.

Why might they do that?

Because they are cheaper.

[Peeler]

On Sun, 11 Feb 2024 05:01:15 +1100, ken, better known as cantankerous
trolling senile geezer Rodent Speed, wrote:

<FLUSH the abnormal trolling senile cretin's latest trollshit unread>

[Jethro_uk]

Post by Jethro_uk
Now incorporate a camera to automatically select the price for you.
(Doesn't do weigh on settle though)

SWMBO has just reminded me that the mushrooms we were weighing were in an
opaque reusable bag - and therefore not immediately discernable as
mushrooms. Yet the scales correctly selected "mushrooms" as the item to
weigh.

I suspect there is a little bit more computing going on somewhere ...
maybe a crude density calculation to act as a double-check.

If only they'd deployed this level of computing power when Covid loans
were being dished out.

[Dave W]

On Sun, 11 Feb 2024 18:04:06 -0000 (UTC), Jethro_uk

Post by Jethro_uk

Post by Jethro_uk
Now incorporate a camera to automatically select the price for you.
(Doesn't do weigh on settle though)

SWMBO has just reminded me that the mushrooms we were weighing were in an
opaque reusable bag - and therefore not immediately discernable as
mushrooms. Yet the scales correctly selected "mushrooms" as the item to
weigh.
I suspect there is a little bit more computing going on somewhere ...
maybe a crude density calculation to act as a double-check.
If only they'd deployed this level of computing power when Covid loans
were being dished out.

I wonder if the bag is opaque to visible light but trans

[Chris J Dixon]

Post by Dave W
On Sun, 11 Feb 2024 18:04:06 -0000 (UTC), Jethro_uk

Post by Jethro_uk

Post by Jethro_uk
Now incorporate a camera to automatically select the price for you.
(Doesn't do weigh on settle though)

SWMBO has just reminded me that the mushrooms we were weighing were in an
opaque reusable bag - and therefore not immediately discernable as
mushrooms. Yet the scales correctly selected "mushrooms" as the item to
weigh.
I suspect there is a little bit more computing going on somewhere ...
maybe a crude density calculation to act as a double-check.
If only they'd deployed this level of computing power when Covid loans
were being dished out.

I wonder if the bag is opaque to visible light but transparent to
infra red which the camera can see.

When it works it is quite clever, certainly sees through the mesh
bag. However, although one of the scales in my local store
weighed correctly this week, it did not recognise the goods.
There is no longer any ability to make a manual choice. The
"Help" button simply tells you how it _should_ work. :-(

Fortunately an alternative set of scales worked OK.

Chris

[Nick Odell]

Post by Chris J Dixon

Post by Dave W
On Sun, 11 Feb 2024 18:04:06 -0000 (UTC), Jethro_uk

Post by Jethro_uk

Post by Jethro_uk
Now incorporate a camera to automatically select the price for you.
(Doesn't do weigh on settle though)

SWMBO has just reminded me that the mushrooms we were weighing were in an
opaque reusable bag - and therefore not immediately discernable as
mushrooms. Yet the scales correctly selected "mushrooms" as the item to
weigh.
I suspect there is a little bit more computing going on somewhere ...
maybe a crude density calculation to act as a double-check.
If only they'd deployed this level of computing power when Covid loans
were being dished out.

I wonder if the bag is opaque to visible light but transparent to
infra red which the camera can see.

When it works it is quite clever, certainly sees through the mesh
bag. However, although one of the scales in my local store
weighed correctly this week, it did not recognise the goods.
There is no longer any ability to make a manual choice. The
"Help" button simply tells you how it _should_ work. :-(
Fortunately an alternative set of scales worked OK.

Hmmm... I have some old bags-for-life from Morrisons with pictures of
pears and from Asda with pictures of lemons. I wonder if they would
break the system?

Nick

[Chris J Dixon]

Post by Nick Odell

Post by Chris J Dixon
When it works it is quite clever, certainly sees through the mesh
bag. However, although one of the scales in my local store
weighed correctly this week, it did not recognise the goods.
There is no longer any ability to make a manual choice. The
"Help" button simply tells you how it _should_ work. :-(
Fortunately an alternative set of scales worked OK.

Hmmm... I have some old bags-for-life from Morrisons with pictures of
pears and from Asda with pictures of lemons. I wonder if they would
break the system?

Only one way to find out...

Chris

[Sam Plusnet]

Post by Nick Odell

Post by Chris J Dixon
When it works it is quite clever, certainly sees through the mesh
bag. However, although one of the scales in my local store
weighed correctly this week, it did not recognise the goods.
There is no longer any ability to make a manual choice. The
"Help" button simply tells you how it _should_ work. :-(
Fortunately an alternative set of scales worked OK.

Hmmm... I have some old bags-for-life from Morrisons with pictures of
pears and from Asda with pictures of lemons. I wonder if they would
break the system?

Sainsburys might not be able to accommodate you, since an over-night
software update has uggbered their systems.

[Davey]

On Sat, 16 Mar 2024 19:24:30 +0000

Post by Sam Plusnet

On Sat, 16 Mar 2024 10:00:47 +0000, Chris J Dixon

Post by Chris J Dixon
When it works it is quite clever, certainly sees through the mesh
bag. However, although one of the scales in my local store
weighed correctly this week, it did not recognise the goods.
There is no longer any ability to make a manual choice. The
"Help" button simply tells you how it _should_ work. :-(
Fortunately an alternative set of scales worked OK.

Hmmm... I have some old bags-for-life from Morrisons with
pictures of pears and from Asda with pictures of lemons. I wonder
if they would break the system?

Sainsburys might not be able to accommodate you, since an over-night
software update has uggbered their systems.

Does 'uggbered' mean that they now wear big woolly boots?

[Nick Odell]

Post by Davey
On Sat, 16 Mar 2024 19:24:30 +0000

Post by Sam Plusnet

On Sat, 16 Mar 2024 10:00:47 +0000, Chris J Dixon

Post by Chris J Dixon
When it works it is quite clever, certainly sees through the mesh
bag. However, although one of the scales in my local store
weighed correctly this week, it did not recognise the goods.
There is no longer any ability to make a manual choice. The
"Help" button simply tells you how it _should_ work. :-(
Fortunately an alternative set of scales worked OK.

Hmmm... I have some old bags-for-life from Morrisons with
pictures of pears and from Asda with pictures of lemons. I wonder
if they would break the system?

Sainsburys might not be able to accommodate you, since an over-night
software update has uggbered their systems.

Does 'uggbered' mean that they now wear big woolly boots?

They certainly seem to around the chilled and frozen section of the
warehouse.

Bit odd, isn't it that both Sainos and Tesco insist that their
"glitch" was not a hack but the result of a software update. Who'd
have thought that two rivals like them would have done the same update
with the same consequences on the same weeked, eh?

Nick

[Davey]

On Sun, 17 Mar 2024 17:51:37 +0000

Post by Nick Odell

Post by Davey
On Sat, 16 Mar 2024 19:24:30 +0000

Post by Sam Plusnet

On Sat, 16 Mar 2024 10:00:47 +0000, Chris J Dixon

Post by Chris J Dixon
When it works it is quite clever, certainly sees through the
mesh bag. However, although one of the scales in my local store
weighed correctly this week, it did not recognise the goods.
There is no longer any ability to make a manual choice. The
"Help" button simply tells you how it _should_ work. :-(
Fortunately an alternative set of scales worked OK.

Hmmm... I have some old bags-for-life from Morrisons with
pictures of pears and from Asda with pictures of lemons. I
wonder if they would break the system?

Sainsburys might not be able to accommodate you, since an
over-night software update has uggbered their systems.

Does 'uggbered' mean that they now wear big woolly boots?

They certainly seem to around the chilled and frozen section of the
warehouse.
Bit odd, isn't it that both Sainos and Tesco insist that their
"glitch" was not a hack but the result of a software update. Who'd
have thought that two rivals like them would have done the same update
with the same consequences on the same weeked, eh?
Nick

Maybe they use the same software. Or maybe not.........

Conspiracy theorist followers that way >>>>>>

[Sam Plusnet]

Post by Davey
On Sun, 17 Mar 2024 17:51:37 +0000

Post by Nick Odell

Post by Davey
On Sat, 16 Mar 2024 19:24:30 +0000

Post by Sam Plusnet

On Sat, 16 Mar 2024 10:00:47 +0000, Chris J Dixon

Post by Chris J Dixon
When it works it is quite clever, certainly sees through the
mesh bag. However, although one of the scales in my local store
weighed correctly this week, it did not recognise the goods.
There is no longer any ability to make a manual choice. The
"Help" button simply tells you how it _should_ work. :-(
Fortunately an alternative set of scales worked OK.

Hmmm... I have some old bags-for-life from Morrisons with
pictures of pears and from Asda with pictures of lemons. I
wonder if they would break the system?

Sainsburys might not be able to accommodate you, since an
over-night software update has uggbered their systems.

Does 'uggbered' mean that they now wear big woolly boots?

They certainly seem to around the chilled and frozen section of the
warehouse.
Bit odd, isn't it that both Sainos and Tesco insist that their
"glitch" was not a hack but the result of a software update. Who'd
have thought that two rivals like them would have done the same update
with the same consequences on the same weeked, eh?
Nick

Maybe they use the same software. Or maybe not.........
Conspiracy theorist followers that way >>>>>>

Nah! You _want_ us to go thataway, but you're probably a part of the
conspiracy - so we're all going to head _this_ way.

[Brian Gaff]

I feel that the modules used are the same and as per usual, nobody had done
the tests to prove the system worked.
Incidentally, are modern scales independent of gravity? Somebody told me
that there are places around this planet where gravity actually varies due
to the density of the underlying material.

It would seem to me to not be a trivial matter to create a set of scales
that worked in space. It would need to measure mass via inertia.
Brian
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Post by Sam Plusnet

Post by Davey
On Sun, 17 Mar 2024 17:51:37 +0000

Post by Nick Odell

Post by Davey
On Sat, 16 Mar 2024 19:24:30 +0000

Post by Sam Plusnet

On Sat, 16 Mar 2024 10:00:47 +0000, Chris J Dixon

Post by Chris J Dixon
When it works it is quite clever, certainly sees through the
mesh bag. However, although one of the scales in my local store
weighed correctly this week, it did not recognise the goods.
There is no longer any ability to make a manual choice. The
"Help" button simply tells you how it _should_ work. :-(
Fortunately an alternative set of scales worked OK.

Hmmm... I have some old bags-for-life from Morrisons with
pictures of pears and from Asda with pictures of lemons. I
wonder if they would break the system?

Sainsburys might not be able to accommodate you, since an
over-night software update has uggbered their systems.

Does 'uggbered' mean that they now wear big woolly boots?

They certainly seem to around the chilled and frozen section of the
warehouse.
Bit odd, isn't it that both Sainos and Tesco insist that their
"glitch" was not a hack but the result of a software update. Who'd
have thought that two rivals like them would have done the same update
with the same consequences on the same weeked, eh?
Nick

Maybe they use the same software. Or maybe not.........
Conspiracy theorist followers that way >>>>>>

Nah! You _want_ us to go thataway, but you're probably a part of the
conspiracy - so we're all going to head _this_ way.
--
Sam Plusnet

[Joe]

On Fri, 22 Mar 2024 12:46:07 -0000

Post by Brian Gaff
I feel that the modules used are the same and as per usual, nobody
had done the tests to prove the system worked.
Incidentally, are modern scales independent of gravity? Somebody
told me that there are places around this planet where gravity
actually varies due to the density of the underlying material.
It would seem to me to not be a trivial matter to create a set of
scales that worked in space. It would need to measure mass via
inertia. Brian

A spring balance is dependent on gravity. A balance balance (i.e. where
the weight of a sample is compared to calibrated weights) is not, but
needs gravity to operate. A real balance needs human intervention (or
some complex electromechanical system) and will therefore not be
suitable for commercial purposes, so yes, they will all be affected by
local gravity. But not much.

E. E. (Doc) Smith had his asteroid miners checking the density of rock
core samples using an inertial device.

[Clive Arthur]

On 15/03/2024 22:17, Dave W wrote:

<snip>

Post by Dave W
I wonder if the bag is opaque to visible light but transparent to
infra red which the camera can see.

Good point. I have a thermal imaging camera, and black bin-liners are
see-through.