Delayed mail

[Timatmarford]

I have read through the recent mega-threads on mail issues without
learning much:-)

Since Christmas, T'bird version 128.4.3esr seems to be delaying mail
collection.
128.6.0esr is available

Any likely link?

Today it collected mail from 2 days ago! My W7 box collected it as soon
as I switched it on and I could read it in web mail anyway.

Anyone care to run me through the correct settings?

Tim

[The Natural Philosopher]

Post by Timatmarford
I have read through the recent mega-threads on mail issues without
learning much:-)
Since Christmas, T'bird version 128.4.3esr seems to be delaying mail
collection.
128.6.0esr is available
Any likely link?
Today it collected mail from 2 days ago! My W7 box collected it as soon
as I switched it on and I could read it in web mail anyway.
Anyone care to run me through the correct settings?
Tim

How do you know it was delayed in collection and not delayed before it
was available?

You need to <view source> and look at the headers

[John Rumm]

Post by Timatmarford
I have read through the recent mega-threads on mail issues without
learning much:-)
Since Christmas, T'bird version 128.4.3esr seems to be delaying mail
collection.
128.6.0esr is available
Any likely link?
Today it collected mail from 2 days ago! My W7 box collected it as soon
as I switched it on and I could read it in web mail anyway.
Anyone care to run me through the correct settings?

First thing is to find out where the delay occurred... so look at the
message in TB and hit CRTL+U to show the message source.

Copy the header of the message, and past into the message header
analyser here:

https://mha.azurewebsites.net/

That will show the delays at each handover of the message, so you can
see if it was a delay in transit, or something more local.
--
Cheers,

John.

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[Timatmarford]

Post by John Rumm

Post by Timatmarford
I have read through the recent mega-threads on mail issues without
learning much:-)
Since Christmas, T'bird version 128.4.3esr seems to be delaying mail
collection.
128.6.0esr is available
Any likely link?
Today it collected mail from 2 days ago! My W7 box collected it as
soon as I switched it on and I could read it in web mail anyway.
Anyone care to run me through the correct settings?

First thing is to find out where the delay occurred... so look at the
message in TB and hit CRTL+U to show the message source.
Copy the header of the message, and past into the message header
https://mha.azurewebsites.net/
That will show the delays at each handover of the message, so you can
see if it was a delay in transit, or something more local.

Hmm.. Hitting CRTL+U gets pages of gobbledegook none of which is
recognisable as a *header*.

I think the problem is local as the messages were delivered to my W7 box
(using an earlier T'Bird) at switch on.

[Andy Burns]

Post by Timatmarford

Post by John Rumm
Copy the header of the message, and past into the message header
https://mha.azurewebsites.net/
That will show the delays at each handover of the message, so you can
see if it was a delay in transit, or something more local.

Hmm.. Hitting CRTL+U gets pages of gobbledegook none of which is
recognisable as a *header*.

The first empty line marks the end of the headers and the start of the
message, I doubt the website would object if you just pasted
*everything* but you might object if it's confidential.

[Timatmarford]

Post by Andy Burns

Post by Timatmarford

Post by John Rumm
Copy the header of the message, and past into the message header
https://mha.azurewebsites.net/
That will show the delays at each handover of the message, so you can
see if it was a delay in transit, or something more local.

Hmm.. Hitting CRTL+U gets pages of gobbledegook none of which is
recognisable as a *header*.

The first empty line marks the end of the headers and the start of the
message, I doubt the website would object if you just pasted
*everything* but you might object if it's confidential.

OK Andy. I'll have a go when the forecast rain gets here!
Tim

[Tim Streater]

Post by Timatmarford
Hmm.. Hitting CRTL+U gets pages of gobbledegook none of which is
recognisable as a *header*.

Thass right. Copy/paste all of it into that website. It works nicely.

[Davey]

On Sun, 26 Jan 2025 10:21:56 +0000

Post by Timatmarford

Post by John Rumm

Post by Timatmarford
I have read through the recent mega-threads on mail issues without
learning much:-)
Since Christmas, T'bird version 128.4.3esr seems to be delaying
mail collection.
128.6.0esr is available
Any likely link?
Today it collected mail from 2 days ago! My W7 box collected it as
soon as I switched it on and I could read it in web mail anyway.
Anyone care to run me through the correct settings?

First thing is to find out where the delay occurred... so look at
the message in TB and hit CRTL+U to show the message source.
Copy the header of the message, and past into the message header
https://mha.azurewebsites.net/
That will show the delays at each handover of the message, so you
can see if it was a delay in transit, or something more local.

Hmm.. Hitting CRTL+U gets pages of gobbledegook none of which is
recognisable as a *header*.
I think the problem is local as the messages were delivered to my W7
box (using an earlier T'Bird) at switch on.

A couple of months or so ago, my e-mail, Thunderbird from gmail, went
very slow. I would see nothing when it logged on, and then a whole
bunch of messages would arrive at once a few minutes later. I checked
via webmail, and it was the same, it wasn't stuck between gmail and me,
it wasn't setting to gmail in the first place.
Since then, it has gradually improved, and if I am told to expect a
message with a code, it will arrive within a minute.
If it reverts to the slooooooow download, I will try the azurewebsites
site and see what it can tell me.

[John Rumm]

Post by Davey
On Sun, 26 Jan 2025 10:21:56 +0000

Post by Timatmarford

Post by John Rumm

Post by Timatmarford
I have read through the recent mega-threads on mail issues without
learning much:-)
Since Christmas, T'bird version 128.4.3esr seems to be delaying
mail collection.
128.6.0esr is available
Any likely link?
Today it collected mail from 2 days ago! My W7 box collected it as
soon as I switched it on and I could read it in web mail anyway.
Anyone care to run me through the correct settings?

First thing is to find out where the delay occurred... so look at
the message in TB and hit CRTL+U to show the message source.
Copy the header of the message, and past into the message header
https://mha.azurewebsites.net/
That will show the delays at each handover of the message, so you
can see if it was a delay in transit, or something more local.

Hmm.. Hitting CRTL+U gets pages of gobbledegook none of which is
recognisable as a *header*.
I think the problem is local as the messages were delivered to my W7
box (using an earlier T'Bird) at switch on.

A couple of months or so ago, my e-mail, Thunderbird from gmail, went
very slow. I would see nothing when it logged on, and then a whole
bunch of messages would arrive at once a few minutes later. I checked
via webmail, and it was the same, it wasn't stuck between gmail and me,
it wasn't setting to gmail in the first place.
Since then, it has gradually improved, and if I am told to expect a
message with a code, it will arrive within a minute.
If it reverts to the slooooooow download, I will try the azurewebsites
site and see what it can tell me.

I note that if you setup gmail to import messages from an external IMAP
or POP3 mail server, then it only polls the external account every 70
mins or so.
--
Cheers,

John.

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[Davey]

On Sun, 26 Jan 2025 13:33:51 +0000

Post by John Rumm

Post by Davey
On Sun, 26 Jan 2025 10:21:56 +0000

Post by Timatmarford

Post by John Rumm

Post by Timatmarford
I have read through the recent mega-threads on mail issues
without learning much:-)
Since Christmas, T'bird version 128.4.3esr seems to be delaying
mail collection.
128.6.0esr is available
Any likely link?
Today it collected mail from 2 days ago! My W7 box collected it
as soon as I switched it on and I could read it in web mail
anyway.
Anyone care to run me through the correct settings?

First thing is to find out where the delay occurred... so look at
the message in TB and hit CRTL+U to show the message source.
Copy the header of the message, and past into the message header
https://mha.azurewebsites.net/
That will show the delays at each handover of the message, so you
can see if it was a delay in transit, or something more local.

Hmm.. Hitting CRTL+U gets pages of gobbledegook none of which is
recognisable as a *header*.
I think the problem is local as the messages were delivered to my
W7 box (using an earlier T'Bird) at switch on.

A couple of months or so ago, my e-mail, Thunderbird from gmail,
went very slow. I would see nothing when it logged on, and then a
whole bunch of messages would arrive at once a few minutes later. I
checked via webmail, and it was the same, it wasn't stuck between
gmail and me, it wasn't setting to gmail in the first place.
Since then, it has gradually improved, and if I am told to expect a
message with a code, it will arrive within a minute.
If it reverts to the slooooooow download, I will try the
azurewebsites site and see what it can tell me.

I note that if you setup gmail to import messages from an external
IMAP or POP3 mail server, then it only polls the external account
every 70 mins or so.

I only use Gmail via IMAP, so that should be irrelevant for my
e-mail.

[John Rumm]

Post by Davey
On Sun, 26 Jan 2025 13:33:51 +0000

Post by John Rumm

Post by Davey
On Sun, 26 Jan 2025 10:21:56 +0000

Post by Timatmarford

Post by John Rumm

Post by Timatmarford
I have read through the recent mega-threads on mail issues
without learning much:-)
Since Christmas, T'bird version 128.4.3esr seems to be delaying
mail collection.
128.6.0esr is available
Any likely link?
Today it collected mail from 2 days ago! My W7 box collected it
as soon as I switched it on and I could read it in web mail
anyway.
Anyone care to run me through the correct settings?

First thing is to find out where the delay occurred... so look at
the message in TB and hit CRTL+U to show the message source.
Copy the header of the message, and past into the message header
https://mha.azurewebsites.net/
That will show the delays at each handover of the message, so you
can see if it was a delay in transit, or something more local.

Hmm.. Hitting CRTL+U gets pages of gobbledegook none of which is
recognisable as a *header*.
I think the problem is local as the messages were delivered to my
W7 box (using an earlier T'Bird) at switch on.

A couple of months or so ago, my e-mail, Thunderbird from gmail,
went very slow. I would see nothing when it logged on, and then a
whole bunch of messages would arrive at once a few minutes later. I
checked via webmail, and it was the same, it wasn't stuck between
gmail and me, it wasn't setting to gmail in the first place.
Since then, it has gradually improved, and if I am told to expect a
message with a code, it will arrive within a minute.
If it reverts to the slooooooow download, I will try the
azurewebsites site and see what it can tell me.

I note that if you setup gmail to import messages from an external
IMAP or POP3 mail server, then it only polls the external account
every 70 mins or so.

I only use Gmail via IMAP, so that should be irrelevant for my
e-mail.

Indeed - important to differentiate between accessing a gmail account
using local IMAP/POP3 software, and having gmail access a mailbox using
the same protocols. You can do one, the other, or both should you want.
--
Cheers,

John.

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[John Rumm]

Post by Timatmarford

Post by John Rumm

Post by Timatmarford
I have read through the recent mega-threads on mail issues without
learning much:-)
Since Christmas, T'bird version 128.4.3esr seems to be delaying mail
collection.
128.6.0esr is available
Any likely link?
Today it collected mail from 2 days ago! My W7 box collected it as
soon as I switched it on and I could read it in web mail anyway.
Anyone care to run me through the correct settings?

First thing is to find out where the delay occurred... so look at the
message in TB and hit CRTL+U to show the message source.
Copy the header of the message, and past into the message header
https://mha.azurewebsites.net/
That will show the delays at each handover of the message, so you can
see if it was a delay in transit, or something more local.

Hmm.. Hitting CRTL+U gets pages of gobbledegook none of which is
recognisable as a *header*.

Everything from the top down to the line above the first line of the
email that you recognise.

Post by Timatmarford
I think the problem is local as the messages were delivered to my W7 box
(using an earlier T'Bird) at switch on.

If the older machine is configured to download and delete messages using
POP3 then you might get a case where a message is found on that which
never turns up on the other one. Although that would not explain late
delivery on the other machine.
--
Cheers,

John.

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[Timatmarford]

Post by John Rumm

Post by Timatmarford
I have read through the recent mega-threads on mail issues without
learning much:-)
Since Christmas, T'bird version 128.4.3esr seems to be delaying mail
collection.
128.6.0esr is available
Any likely link?
Today it collected mail from 2 days ago! My W7 box collected it as
soon as I switched it on and I could read it in web mail anyway.
Anyone care to run me through the correct settings?

First thing is to find out where the delay occurred... so look at the
message in TB and hit CRTL+U to show the message source.
Copy the header of the message, and past into the message header
https://mha.azurewebsites.net/
That will show the delays at each handover of the message, so you can
see if it was a delay in transit, or something more local.

Hm. AZURE tells me it was delivered in 15 seconds.

Two screens of stuff before the first line break!

[Andy Burns]

Post by Timatmarford
Two screens of stuff before the first line break!

All to often the headers are now larger than the message :-(

[Timatmarford]

Post by Andy Burns

Post by Timatmarford
Two screens of stuff before the first line break!

All to often the headers are now larger than the message :-(

Progress.. I think.

I allowed the T'Bird upgrade and now find the download button appears to
function.
3 Mails from Amazon posted yesterday evening and 1 early this morning.
Not delivered at switch on but arrived immediately after poking the
cloud button!

I'll see how it goes..