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The Natural Philosopher
2025-02-06 13:15:51 UTC
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"The Science Museum guide claims that people think “the top of the brick
with sticking out pins is male, the bottom of the brick with holes to
receive the pins is female, and the process of the two sides being put
together is called mating”.
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Pancho
2025-02-06 13:21:49 UTC
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"The Science Museum guide claims that people think “the top of the brick
with sticking out pins is male, the bottom of the brick with holes to
receive the pins is female, and the process of the two sides being put
together is called mating”.
Why is that woke? It is standard language for tools plugs etc, isn't it?
If it looks like a dick it is male, if it has a dick fit into it, it is
female.
The Natural Philosopher
2025-02-06 13:32:41 UTC
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"The Science Museum guide claims that people think “the top of the
brick with sticking out pins is male, the bottom of the brick with
holes to receive the pins is female, and the process of the two sides
being put together is called mating”.
Why is that woke? It is standard language for tools plugs etc, isn't it?
If it looks like a dick it is male, if it has a dick fit into it, it is
female.
The wokery bit claims it is 'anti LBGT' because 'it normalises
heterosexual sex'

"Lego can be anti-LGBT, the Science Museum has said.

A self-guided museum tour on “stories of queer communities, experiences
and identities” includes a display of Lego bricks alongside a guide
stating the plastic blocks may reinforce the idea that heterosexuality
“is the norm”.
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Pancho
2025-02-06 13:42:55 UTC
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"The Science Museum guide claims that people think “the top of the
brick with sticking out pins is male, the bottom of the brick with
holes to receive the pins is female, and the process of the two sides
being put together is called mating”.
Why is that woke? It is standard language for tools plugs etc, isn't
it? If it looks like a dick it is male, if it has a dick fit into it,
it is female.
The wokery bit claims it is 'anti LBGT'  because 'it normalises
heterosexual sex'
"Lego can be anti-LGBT, the Science Museum has said.
A self-guided museum tour on “stories of queer communities, experiences
and identities” includes a display of Lego bricks alongside a guide
stating the plastic blocks may reinforce the idea that heterosexuality
“is the norm”.
So they were in favour of giving kids Lego?

Although I like science, I preferred the Natural History Museum, next door.
The Natural Philosopher
2025-02-06 13:53:04 UTC
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"The Science Museum guide claims that people think “the top of the
brick with sticking out pins is male, the bottom of the brick with
holes to receive the pins is female, and the process of the two
sides being put together is called mating”.
Why is that woke? It is standard language for tools plugs etc, isn't
it? If it looks like a dick it is male, if it has a dick fit into it,
it is female.
The wokery bit claims it is 'anti LBGT'  because 'it normalises
heterosexual sex'
"Lego can be anti-LGBT, the Science Museum has said.
A self-guided museum tour on “stories of queer communities,
experiences and identities” includes a display of Lego bricks
alongside a guide stating the plastic blocks may reinforce the idea
that heterosexuality “is the norm”.
So they were in favour of giving kids Lego?
Although I like science, I preferred the Natural History Museum, next door.
Haven't been to either in years. Went to the British a while back, and
the V & A.
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JNugent
2025-02-08 15:21:48 UTC
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"The Science Museum guide claims that people think “the top of the
brick with sticking out pins is male, the bottom of the brick with
holes to receive the pins is female, and the process of the two
sides being put together is called mating”.
Why is that woke? It is standard language for tools plugs etc, isn't
it? If it looks like a dick it is male, if it has a dick fit into
it, it is female.
The wokery bit claims it is 'anti LBGT' because 'it normalises
heterosexual sex'
"Lego can be anti-LGBT, the Science Museum has said.
A self-guided museum tour on “stories of queer communities,
experiences and identities” includes a display of Lego bricks
alongside a guide stating the plastic blocks may reinforce the idea
that heterosexuality “is the norm”.
So they were in favour of giving kids Lego?
Although I like science, I preferred the Natural History Museum, next door.
Haven't been to either in years. Went to the British a while back, and
the V & A.
Same here. Took my young son to the Science Museum (and the "Launchpad"
exhibition) back in the early 1990s and we did a family trip to the
Natural History Museum not long after (the dilodocus skeleton was still
on display).

I also remember visiting the V&A in 1976 to see the exhibition
celebrating the twenty-fifth anniversary of the Festival of Britain
(which I had been far too young to see for myself). Until that moment, I
hadn't realised how much 1950s kitsch homeware and furniture had been
inspired by that festival. Not that we had any of it. It was still 1905
as far as my grandmother was concerned.
The Natural Philosopher
2025-02-08 15:56:19 UTC
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I hadn't realised how much 1950s kitsch homeware and furniture had been
inspired by that festival. Not that we had any of it. It was still 1905
as far as my grandmother was concerned.
Lol. THAT modern!

I had a great aunt who strongly resembled Miss Marple.

I think the furniture with stuff covering the legs..

AS a family we couldn't afford to be Modern. Whatever was out o9f
fashion and therefore cheap secondhand, was what we had.

Nobody who lives on a low income can *afford* to entertain fancy
moralistic notions or the latest fashions.

Only when the 60s came around and we all had a bit of pocket money could
we iundulage in Carnaby street, rock music and feminism.
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JNugent
2025-02-10 14:47:50 UTC
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[re. visit to V&A in 1976 for 25th anniversary exhibition on the
Festival of Britain:]
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I hadn't realised how much 1950s kitsch homeware and furniture had
been inspired by that festival. Not that we had any of it. It was
still 1905 as far as my grandmother was concerned.
Lol. THAT modern!
I had a great aunt who strongly resembled Miss Marple.
I think the furniture with stuff covering the legs..
AS a family we couldn't afford to be Modern. Whatever was out o9f
fashion and therefore cheap secondhand, was what we had.
Nobody who lives on a low income can *afford* to entertain fancy
moralistic notions or the latest fashions.
Only when the 60s came around and we all had a bit of pocket money could
we iundulage in Carnaby street, rock music and feminism.
Ah yes... I remember it well.

But... I am a "boomer" (apparently) and as such, am frequently said to
have lived a life of absolute plenty, comfort and affluence right
through from birth to being a pensioner.

OK, I can't really remember not having a TV (I'll give 'em that), though
I can recall it only getting BBC. But we never had a fridge or even a
vacuum cleaner (first experience of a domestic fridge at 26, when I
bought a house for £7,000 (oops!). And the idea of a car (despite my dad
being a professional driver) was sheer sci-fi.
Tim Streater
2025-02-10 15:13:39 UTC
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OK, I can't really remember not having a TV (I'll give 'em that),
Oh I can. I can also remember periods of there being no food in the house,
too.
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But we never had a fridge ...
Neither did we, which didn't do much for food hygiene. Oddly enough, I have no
recollection of ever having any of the so-called childhood diseases (measles
etc)- none of them, but I remember a number of food poisoning episodes.
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JNugent
2025-02-10 15:40:33 UTC
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OK, I can't really remember not having a TV (I'll give 'em that),
Oh I can. I can also remember periods of there being no food in the house,
too.
Post by JNugent
But we never had a fridge ...
Neither did we, which didn't do much for food hygiene. Oddly enough, I have no
recollection of ever having any of the so-called childhood diseases (measles
etc)- none of them, but I remember a number of food poisoning episodes.
If it happened, you are lucky to have been spared measles. I wasn't...

The episode still fills me with horror after seventy years.

I was also a victim of the fashion for admission to the childrens'
hospital. *Twice* - once for removal of tonsils and once for removal of
adenoids.

Why, one might ask?

Damned if I know. But in those early days of the NHS, it was all the
rage. Male cousins of about the same age all had the same procedure.
Jeff Layman
2025-02-11 16:30:44 UTC
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OK, I can't really remember not having a TV (I'll give 'em that),
Oh I can. I can also remember periods of there being no food in the house,
too.
Post by JNugent
But we never had a fridge ...
Neither did we, which didn't do much for food hygiene. Oddly enough, I have no
recollection of ever having any of the so-called childhood diseases (measles
etc)- none of them, but I remember a number of food poisoning episodes.
If it happened, you are lucky to have been spared measles. I wasn't...
The episode still fills me with horror after seventy years.
I was also a victim of the fashion for admission to the childrens'
hospital. *Twice* - once for removal of tonsils and once for removal of
adenoids.
Why, one might ask?
Damned if I know. But in those early days of the NHS, it was all the
rage. Male cousins of about the same age all had the same procedure.
Living in London I had every childhood disease except the important one
for later life - mumps! One time I had several weeks off school when I
had scarlet fever followed immediately by chickenpox. I don't remember
any of these being too bad - including measles - except for whooping
cough. But it wasn't the disease itself which was the problem - it was
the IM injection of penicillin into a sensitive area (the bacterium was
still sensitive to penicillins in the mid-50s. It's resistant now).
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Pancho
2025-02-12 01:23:20 UTC
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Living in London I had every childhood disease except the important one
for later life - mumps! One time I had several weeks off school when I
had scarlet fever followed immediately by chickenpox. I don't remember
any of these being too bad - including measles - except for whooping
cough. But it wasn't the disease itself which was the problem - it was
the IM injection of penicillin into a sensitive area (the bacterium was
still sensitive to penicillins in the mid-50s. It's resistant now).
Why did we have antibiotic injections then, but get pills now?
Jeff Layman
2025-02-12 08:54:38 UTC
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Living in London I had every childhood disease except the important one
for later life - mumps! One time I had several weeks off school when I
had scarlet fever followed immediately by chickenpox. I don't remember
any of these being too bad - including measles - except for whooping
cough. But it wasn't the disease itself which was the problem - it was
the IM injection of penicillin into a sensitive area (the bacterium was
still sensitive to penicillins in the mid-50s. It's resistant now).
Why did we have antibiotic injections then, but get pills now?
At the time penicillin was destroyed by stomach acid
(<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Penicillin#Penicillin_G>), and
gastrotresistant tablets or capsules were not available. The only way to
get a high enough dose was by intramuscular injection. Today if you have
a serious infection you're liable to get IV flucloxacillin in order to
have a quick effect.
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Jeff
JNugent
2025-02-12 15:20:31 UTC
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Living in London I had every childhood disease except the important
one for later life - mumps! One time I had several weeks off school
when I had scarlet fever followed immediately by chickenpox. I don't
remember any of these being too bad - including measles - except for
whooping cough. But it wasn't the disease itself which was the problem
- it was the IM injection of penicillin into a sensitive area (the
bacterium was still sensitive to penicillins in the mid-50s. It's
resistant now).
Why did we have antibiotic injections then, but get pills now?
At a guess, the state of the art was not so advanced as to allow oral
administration. The pharma companies were on the case, though.
tony sayer
2025-02-12 12:43:06 UTC
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OK, I can't really remember not having a TV (I'll give 'em that),
Oh I can. I can also remember periods of there being no food in the house,
too.
Post by JNugent
But we never had a fridge ...
Neither did we, which didn't do much for food hygiene. Oddly enough, I have no
recollection of ever having any of the so-called childhood diseases (measles
etc)- none of them, but I remember a number of food poisoning episodes.
If it happened, you are lucky to have been spared measles. I wasn't...
The episode still fills me with horror after seventy years.
I was also a victim of the fashion for admission to the childrens'
hospital. *Twice* - once for removal of tonsils and once for removal of
adenoids.
Why, one might ask?
Damned if I know. But in those early days of the NHS, it was all the
rage. Male cousins of about the same age all had the same procedure.
We were encouraged to go to Measles parties to catch the damm disease
which we did it seemed to have worked!...
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Give him a keyboard, and he will reveal himself.
The Natural Philosopher
2025-02-10 21:40:46 UTC
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OK, I can't really remember not having a TV (I'll give 'em that),
Oh I can. I can also remember periods of there being no food in the house,
too.
Post by JNugent
But we never had a fridge ...
Neither did we, which didn't do much for food hygiene. Oddly enough, I have no
recollection of ever having any of the so-called childhood diseases (measles
etc)- none of them, but I remember a number of food poisoning episodes.
I have no recollection of *not* having every single disease going,
including food poisoning.

No central heating, no fridge, no hot water most of the time. No duvets .

Horrid in wintertime.
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Josef Stalin
charles
2025-02-10 22:00:01 UTC
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OK, I can't really remember not having a TV (I'll give 'em that),
Oh I can. I can also remember periods of there being no food in the
house, too.
Post by JNugent
But we never had a fridge ...
Neither did we, which didn't do much for food hygiene. Oddly enough, I
have no recollection of ever having any of the so-called childhood
diseases (measles etc)- none of them, but I remember a number of food
poisoning episodes.
I have no recollection of *not* having every single disease going,
including food poisoning.
No central heating, no fridge, no hot water most of the time. No duvets .
Horrid in wintertime.
The glass of water beside my bed had ice on it in the morning! But, I did't
get chicken-pox as a child. I caught much later from one of my small
daughters.
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tony sayer
2025-02-12 12:48:24 UTC
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OK, I can't really remember not having a TV (I'll give 'em that),
Oh I can. I can also remember periods of there being no food in the
house, too.
Post by JNugent
But we never had a fridge ...
Neither did we, which didn't do much for food hygiene. Oddly enough, I
have no recollection of ever having any of the so-called childhood
diseases (measles etc)- none of them, but I remember a number of food
poisoning episodes.
I have no recollection of *not* having every single disease going,
including food poisoning.
No central heating, no fridge, no hot water most of the time. No duvets .
Horrid in wintertime.
The glass of water beside my bed had ice on it in the morning! But, I did't
get chicken-pox as a child. I caught much later from one of my small
daughters.
Ice on the water how ever did we survive it was in the loo too thin film
of ice and the times i was sent into he loft with a paraffin blowlamp to
defrost the pipes most did have some cloth based insulation wrapped
around them and this wasn't just the winter of 1963 either!..

As bad as what that was..
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Man is least himself when he talks in his own person.

Give him a keyboard, and he will reveal himself.
Sam Plusnet
2025-02-12 20:28:31 UTC
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The glass of water beside my bed had ice on it in the morning! But, I did't
get chicken-pox as a child. I caught much later from one of my small
daughters.
Which implies such an excess of daughters, that you must order them by size.
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charles
2025-02-12 21:45:03 UTC
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The glass of water beside my bed had ice on it in the morning! But, I
did't get chicken-pox as a child. I caught much later from one of my
small daughters.
Which implies such an excess of daughters, that you must order them by size.
There are only two - but at the time they were small. Now they are in their
50s.
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"I'd rather die of exhaustion than die of boredom" Thomas Carlyle
JNugent
2025-02-10 22:12:19 UTC
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OK, I can't really remember not having a TV (I'll give 'em that),
Oh I can. I can also remember periods of there being no food in the
house, too.
Post by JNugent
But we never had a fridge ...
Neither did we, which didn't do much for food hygiene. Oddly enough, I
have no recollection of ever having any of the so-called childhood
diseases (measles etc)- none of them, but I remember a number of food
poisoning episodes.
I have no recollection of *not* having every single disease going,
including food poisoning.
No central heating, no fridge, no hot water most of the time. No duvets .
Horrid in wintertime.
Indeed (and no double glazing!).

But most contrary to modern received liberal opinion, that is how we
boomers (most of us at least) lived.

I was born less than six years after the end of the war. The country
still had a Labour government and *food rationing* (the western part of
Germany had actually managed to abolish that a year or two earlier).
Spike
2025-02-10 23:12:11 UTC
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OK, I can't really remember not having a TV (I'll give 'em that),
Oh I can. I can also remember periods of there being no food in the
house, too.
Post by JNugent
But we never had a fridge ...
Neither did we, which didn't do much for food hygiene. Oddly enough, I
have no recollection of ever having any of the so-called childhood
diseases (measles etc)- none of them, but I remember a number of food
poisoning episodes.
I have no recollection of *not* having every single disease going,
including food poisoning.
No central heating, no fridge, no hot water most of the time. No duvets .
Horrid in wintertime.
Indeed (and no double glazing!).
But most contrary to modern received liberal opinion, that is how we
boomers (most of us at least) lived.
I was born less than six years after the end of the war. The country
still had a Labour government and *food rationing* (the western part of
Germany had actually managed to abolish that a year or two earlier).
When the war was over, rationing in the UK became more severe; even bread
was now rationed. It was part of the government’s drive to reduce imports
and help the balance of payments.

But worse, even as a small boy going shopping with my mum, I was struck at
the poor quality of the fruit and vegetables on offer. It was decades later
that I discovered that the high-quality fruit and vegetables was exported
to Europe, including to the very countries that we had spent so much blood
and treasure defeating; again to help the balance of payments.

In the film ‘The Bridges at Toko-Ri’ (a Korean War film), the main
characters are having a night out in Tokyo. The taxi they got in to was a
MkI Ford Consul, made in Dagenham. You couldn’t buy one here at the time.
Balance of payments again.
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Spike
Tim Streater
2025-02-11 07:57:10 UTC
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Indeed (and no double glazing!).
And no curtains either - not in my bedroom at least.
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Ronald Reagan
Pamela
2025-02-11 23:10:26 UTC
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OK, I can't really remember not having a TV (I'll give 'em that),
Oh I can. I can also remember periods of there being no food in the
house, too.
Post by JNugent
But we never had a fridge ...
Neither did we, which didn't do much for food hygiene. Oddly enough,
I have no recollection of ever having any of the so-called childhood
diseases (measles etc)- none of them, but I remember a number of food
poisoning episodes.
I have no recollection of *not* having every single disease going,
including food poisoning.
No central heating, no fridge, no hot water most of the time. No
duvets.
Horrid in wintertime.
Not forgetting window panes frozen on the inside.

And a measly single bar fire in the bedroom. Brrr!
tony sayer
2025-02-12 13:01:04 UTC
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OK, I can't really remember not having a TV (I'll give 'em that),
Oh I can. I can also remember periods of there being no food in the
house, too.
Post by JNugent
But we never had a fridge ...
Neither did we, which didn't do much for food hygiene. Oddly enough,
I have no recollection of ever having any of the so-called childhood
diseases (measles etc)- none of them, but I remember a number of food
poisoning episodes.
I have no recollection of *not* having every single disease going,
including food poisoning.
No central heating, no fridge, no hot water most of the time. No
duvets.
Horrid in wintertime.
Not forgetting window panes frozen on the inside.
And a measly single bar fire in the bedroom. Brrr!
Heating! You were spoiled!, we just had a bath in the tin tub in front
of the fire place then straight up to bed with the luxury of a hot water
bottle!!!
--
Tony Sayer


Man is least himself when he talks in his own person.

Give him a keyboard, and he will reveal himself.
Sam Plusnet
2025-02-12 20:37:39 UTC
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OK, I can't really remember not having a TV (I'll give 'em that),
Oh I can. I can also remember periods of there being no food in the
house, too.
Post by JNugent
But we never had a fridge ...
Neither did we, which didn't do much for food hygiene. Oddly enough,
I have no recollection of ever having any of the so-called childhood
diseases (measles etc)- none of them, but I remember a number of food
poisoning episodes.
I have no recollection of *not* having every single disease going,
including food poisoning.
No central heating, no fridge, no hot water most of the time. No
duvets.
Horrid in wintertime.
Not forgetting window panes frozen on the inside.
And a measly single bar fire in the bedroom. Brrr!
Heating! You were spoiled!, we just had a bath in the tin tub in front
of the fire place then straight up to bed with the luxury of a hot water
bottle!!!
Agreed. Heating? In a bedroom!?!
In my parents house, the _only_ time a bedroom was ever heated was the
day I was born there.
--
Sam Plusnet
JNugent
2025-02-12 15:11:43 UTC
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OK, I can't really remember not having a TV (I'll give 'em that),
Oh I can. I can also remember periods of there being no food in the
house, too.
Post by JNugent
But we never had a fridge ...
Neither did we, which didn't do much for food hygiene. Oddly enough,
I have no recollection of ever having any of the so-called childhood
diseases (measles etc)- none of them, but I remember a number of food
poisoning episodes.
I have no recollection of *not* having every single disease going,
including food poisoning.
No central heating, no fridge, no hot water most of the time. No
duvets.
Horrid in wintertime.
Not forgetting window panes frozen on the inside.
And a measly single bar fire in the bedroom. Brrr!
An electric fire in a bedroom?

Luxury...

There were coal fire grates in ours. And using them was severely frowned
upon by those responsible for paying for coal.
Pancho
2025-02-12 15:51:36 UTC
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OK, I can't really remember not having a TV (I'll give 'em that),
Oh I can. I can also remember periods of there being no food in the
house, too.
Post by JNugent
But we never had a fridge ...
Neither did we, which didn't do much for food hygiene. Oddly enough,
I have no recollection of ever having any of the so-called childhood
diseases (measles etc)- none of them, but I remember a number of food
poisoning episodes.
I have no recollection of *not* having every single disease going,
including food poisoning.
No central heating, no fridge, no hot water most of the time. No
duvets.
Horrid in wintertime.
Not forgetting window panes frozen on the inside.
And a measly single bar fire in the bedroom. Brrr!
An electric fire in a bedroom?
Luxury...
There were coal fire grates in ours. And using them was severely frowned
upon by those responsible for paying for coal.
I don't heat my bedroom, nowadays. It gets the heat from downstairs and
I have an electric blanket.

I don't get cold?
JNugent
2025-02-12 17:44:30 UTC
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OK, I can't really remember not having a TV (I'll give 'em that),
Oh I can. I can also remember periods of there being no food in the
house, too.
Post by JNugent
But we never had a fridge ...
Neither did we, which didn't do much for food hygiene. Oddly enough,
I have no recollection of ever having any of the so-called childhood
diseases (measles etc)- none of them, but I remember a number of food
poisoning episodes.
I have no recollection of *not* having every single disease going,
including food poisoning.
No central heating, no fridge, no hot water most of the time. No
duvets.
Horrid in wintertime.
Not forgetting window panes frozen on the inside.
And a measly single bar fire in the bedroom. Brrr!
An electric fire in a bedroom?
Luxury...
There were coal fire grates in ours. And using them was severely
frowned upon by those responsible for paying for coal.
I don't heat my bedroom, nowadays. It gets the heat from downstairs and
I have an electric blanket.
I don't get cold?
I've long noticed that some people are more / less affected by cold
temperatures (or hot weather, for that matter) than others are.

It's some decades since I possessed a hot water bottle, but around this
time of year, they were at one time regarded as de rigeur.
Max Demian
2025-02-12 17:35:12 UTC
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Post by Pamela
And a measly single bar fire in the bedroom. Brrr!
An electric fire in a bedroom?
Luxury...
There were coal fire grates in ours. And using them was severely frowned
upon by those responsible for paying for coal.
I never understood why so many old houses had grates in the bedrooms.
All right if you had a servant to lay the fire I suppose. In theory the
fire was lit if you were ill; but I was never ill enough for that - I
only remember measles when I was five.

Houses built in the fifties and sixties only had a fireplace in the main
living room.
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JNugent
2025-02-12 17:47:57 UTC
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And a measly single bar fire in the bedroom. Brrr!
An electric fire in a bedroom?
Luxury...
There were coal fire grates in ours. And using them was severely
frowned upon by those responsible for paying for coal.
I never understood why so many old houses had grates in the bedrooms.
It was the only practical way of heating the rooms!
Post by Max Demian
All right if you had a servant to lay the fire I suppose. In theory the
fire was lit if you were ill; but I was never ill enough for that - I
only remember measles when I was five.
Houses built in the fifties and sixties only had a fireplace in the main
living room.
Yes - an apartment I once had had a fireplace in the living room, but
not in any other room. Even that grate was blocked by the installation
of a gas fire.

Sixty-ish years ago, I sometimes - but only sometimes - had a small coal
fire in my bedroom in the depths of winter for the purpose of doing my
homework (when I could be bothered). Early 1963 in particular.
charles
2025-02-12 18:15:01 UTC
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And a measly single bar fire in the bedroom. Brrr!
An electric fire in a bedroom?
Luxury...
There were coal fire grates in ours. And using them was severely
frowned upon by those responsible for paying for coal.
I never understood why so many old houses had grates in the bedrooms.
All right if you had a servant to lay the fire I suppose. In theory the
fire was lit if you were ill; but I was never ill enough for that - I
only remember measles when I was five.
Houses built in the fifties and sixties only had a fireplace in the main
living room.
when my parents bought (in 1957) A 1939 house, the main bedroom fireplace
had been rebuilt to carry a flush mounted electric fire.
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Tricky Dicky
2025-02-12 22:37:56 UTC
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And a measly single bar fire in the bedroom. Brrr!
An electric fire in a bedroom?
Luxury...
There were coal fire grates in ours. And using them was severely frowned
upon by those responsible for paying for coal.
I never understood why so many old houses had grates in the bedrooms.
All right if you had a servant to lay the fire I suppose. In theory the
fire was lit if you were ill; but I was never ill enough for that - I
only remember measles when I was five.
Houses built in the fifties and sixties only had a fireplace in the main
living room.
Not true, our last house was built in 1957 and had fireplaces in both
downstairs reception rooms and both bedrooms above them. Having said that
one of our technicians lived in a terraced house where the chimney went up
the middle of the house and he preferred to use the coal fire the heated
brickwork effectively heated the bedrooms above.
Marland
2025-02-13 00:09:37 UTC
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And a measly single bar fire in the bedroom. Brrr!
An electric fire in a bedroom?
Luxury...
There were coal fire grates in ours. And using them was severely frowned
upon by those responsible for paying for coal.
I never understood why so many old houses had grates in the bedrooms.
All right if you had a servant to lay the fire .
My grandmother was one of those servants in a Victorian House in Chiswick
built around 1870 living in accommodation in a couple of attic rooms
The family she worked for moved out in 1937 but being good people arranged
a mortgage for her to buy it ,my Grandad hardly earn’t anything due to
injuries in the trenches of WW1.
She had to rent out the rooms she once lived in and the 2nd floor below
,had gas fires fitted in place of the coal grates with the tenants paying
with coin meters, she kept coal herself as she preferred a real fire. She
finally paid off the mortgage in 1971 having worked as a domestic beyond
normal retirement age My parents rented the 2nd floor after they wed and I
spent the first 7 years of my life there . It was always quite cold and Hot
water both in our bit and grans was from Gas fired Ascot Geysers.
Ironically when she had been a servant there was a coal fired boiler with
piped hot water to all floors but that fell into disuse after she bought
it. In fact she never had enough money to really modernise it and the
Luftwaffe removing the roof and part of the walls didn’t help.
No power sockets were installed till 1958.
I don’t think a char lady could hope to buy a house in Chiswick now.
Mother and I moved out in 1962 after Cancer got Dad.
We moved to N Devon to stay on a relatives Farm, That was November 1962
,we soon missed those gas fires in an old stone farmhouse with the only
heat from a 90 year old range and the only electric from a 2kW Lister
generator whose output you rationed around appliances .Ie you could have
lights or a kettle but not lights and a kettle.
I’ve appreciated the ease which the “Main”s can deliver power which our
forebears could only dream about ever since.

GH
JNugent
2025-02-13 01:16:15 UTC
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And a measly single bar fire in the bedroom. Brrr!
An electric fire in a bedroom?
Luxury...
There were coal fire grates in ours. And using them was severely frowned
upon by those responsible for paying for coal.
I never understood why so many old houses had grates in the bedrooms.
All right if you had a servant to lay the fire .
My grandmother was one of those servants in a Victorian House in Chiswick
built around 1870 living in accommodation in a couple of attic rooms
The family she worked for moved out in 1937 but being good people arranged
a mortgage for her to buy it ,my Grandad hardly earn’t anything due to
injuries in the trenches of WW1.
She had to rent out the rooms she once lived in and the 2nd floor below
,had gas fires fitted in place of the coal grates with the tenants paying
with coin meters, she kept coal herself as she preferred a real fire. She
finally paid off the mortgage in 1971 having worked as a domestic beyond
normal retirement age My parents rented the 2nd floor after they wed and I
spent the first 7 years of my life there . It was always quite cold and Hot
water both in our bit and grans was from Gas fired Ascot Geysers.
Ironically when she had been a servant there was a coal fired boiler with
piped hot water to all floors but that fell into disuse after she bought
it. In fact she never had enough money to really modernise it and the
Luftwaffe removing the roof and part of the walls didn’t help.
No power sockets were installed till 1958.
I don’t think a char lady could hope to buy a house in Chiswick now.
Mother and I moved out in 1962 after Cancer got Dad.
We moved to N Devon to stay on a relatives Farm, That was November 1962
,we soon missed those gas fires in an old stone farmhouse with the only
heat from a 90 year old range and the only electric from a 2kW Lister
generator whose output you rationed around appliances .Ie you could have
lights or a kettle but not lights and a kettle.
I’ve appreciated the ease which the “Main”s can deliver power which our
forebears could only dream about ever since.
GH
Wow...

The months just after November 1962 must have been particularly trying.
Marland
2025-02-13 07:53:11 UTC
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Post by Marland
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Post by Pamela
And a measly single bar fire in the bedroom. Brrr!
An electric fire in a bedroom?
Luxury...
There were coal fire grates in ours. And using them was severely frowned
upon by those responsible for paying for coal.
I never understood why so many old houses had grates in the bedrooms.
All right if you had a servant to lay the fire .
My grandmother was one of those servants in a Victorian House in Chiswick
built around 1870 living in accommodation in a couple of attic rooms
The family she worked for moved out in 1937 but being good people arranged
a mortgage for her to buy it ,my Grandad hardly earn’t anything due to
injuries in the trenches of WW1.
She had to rent out the rooms she once lived in and the 2nd floor below
,had gas fires fitted in place of the coal grates with the tenants paying
with coin meters, she kept coal herself as she preferred a real fire. She
finally paid off the mortgage in 1971 having worked as a domestic beyond
normal retirement age My parents rented the 2nd floor after they wed and I
spent the first 7 years of my life there . It was always quite cold and Hot
water both in our bit and grans was from Gas fired Ascot Geysers.
Ironically when she had been a servant there was a coal fired boiler with
piped hot water to all floors but that fell into disuse after she bought
it. In fact she never had enough money to really modernise it and the
Luftwaffe removing the roof and part of the walls didn’t help.
No power sockets were installed till 1958.
I don’t think a char lady could hope to buy a house in Chiswick now.
Mother and I moved out in 1962 after Cancer got Dad.
We moved to N Devon to stay on a relatives Farm, That was November 1962
,we soon missed those gas fires in an old stone farmhouse with the only
heat from a 90 year old range and the only electric from a 2kW Lister
generator whose output you rationed around appliances .Ie you could have
lights or a kettle but not lights and a kettle.
I’ve appreciated the ease which the “Main”s can deliver power which our
forebears could only dream about ever since.
Wow...
The months just after November 1962 must have been particularly trying.
As a child I had the innocence that accompanies it and didn’t realise the
efforts the adults were putting in to get things done, One thing that I
still remember was having left a London primary school
with its daily issue of milk and radiators and moving to a village two room
school where the rooms were heated FSVO by cast iron coal burning stoves
once the cold really set in the milk was replaced
by hot chocolate or cocoa , thought that was really luxurious.Once the
snows cleared my teacher who passed the gate used to pick me up on her
lambretta scooter so I could never be late.
Though once she got married and moved I then had to cycle the 3 miles. I
was late once cos I got a lift in on a Steam Roller instead.

GH

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2025-02-12 01:35:54 UTC
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No central heating, no fridge, no hot water most of the time. No duvets .
Horrid in wintertime.
Duvets started about 1970? I think we got them for Habitat. A bit like
onesies, you get them and wonder why you didn't have them before.
Jeff Layman
2025-02-12 08:59:47 UTC
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No central heating, no fridge, no hot water most of the time. No duvets .
Horrid in wintertime.
Duvets started about 1970? I think we got them for Habitat. A bit like
onesies, you get them and wonder why you didn't have them before.
I went on holiday to Iceland in 1969. I couldn't understand why the bed
had no sheet or blanket, but what appeared to be a sort of eiderdown! I
didn't like it then and my view hasn't changed. I have never used a duvet.
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Chris Hogg
2025-02-12 09:09:06 UTC
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I have never used a duvet.
+1. Horrible things.
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Tim Streater
2025-02-12 11:41:14 UTC
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No central heating, no fridge, no hot water most of the time. No duvets .
Horrid in wintertime.
Duvets started about 1970? I think we got them for Habitat. A bit like
onesies, you get them and wonder why you didn't have them before.
I went on holiday to Iceland in 1969. I couldn't understand why the bed
had no sheet or blanket, but what appeared to be a sort of eiderdown! I
didn't like it then and my view hasn't changed. I have never used a duvet.
Duvets are fine until you start to get old, because they require your body to
be able to adjust its heat output so you don't overheat in bed. Later in life
this becomes harder, so we use a thin duvet, fine for summer but which gets
supplemented with a proper eiderdown in winter.

Making a bed with a duvet is nice and simple compared to having a sheet,
blankets, and perhaps also an eiderdown.
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JNugent
2025-02-12 15:18:01 UTC
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No central heating, no fridge, no hot water most of the time. No duvets .
Horrid in wintertime.
Duvets started about 1970? I think we got them for Habitat. A bit like
onesies, you get them and wonder why you didn't have them before.
A female acquaintance worked in Selfridges in the 1970s. On a trip to
London circa 1975, I was having a drink in a Duke Street pub with her
and some of her colleagues when one of them mentioned "continental
quilts", newly in stock at the store. Intrigued, I asked what they were
and had the full ten minute explanation. The term "duvet" didn't feature
within it - that was a year or two later.

One unforgettable sight in Switzerland, Austria and southern Germany is
duvets being aired in fine weather by being draped over upstairs balconies.
Max Demian
2025-02-12 17:38:34 UTC
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No central heating, no fridge, no hot water most of the time. No duvets .
Horrid in wintertime.
Duvets started about 1970? I think we got them for Habitat. A bit like
onesies, you get them and wonder why you didn't have them before.
A female acquaintance worked in Selfridges in the 1970s. On a trip to
London circa 1975, I was having a drink in a Duke Street pub with her
and some of her colleagues when one of them mentioned "continental
quilts", newly in stock at the store. Intrigued, I asked what they were
and had the full ten minute explanation. The term "duvet" didn't feature
within it - that was a year or two later.
Did these "continental quilts" have removable covers? (That's how they
differ from eiderdowns, which don't, and the latter don't droop down the
sides of the bed, and you don't sleep next to them.)
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JNugent
2025-02-12 17:50:34 UTC
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No central heating, no fridge, no hot water most of the time. No duvets .
Horrid in wintertime.
Duvets started about 1970? I think we got them for Habitat. A bit like
onesies, you get them and wonder why you didn't have them before.
A female acquaintance worked in Selfridges in the 1970s. On a trip to
London circa 1975, I was having a drink in a Duke Street pub with her
and some of her colleagues when one of them mentioned "continental
quilts", newly in stock at the store. Intrigued, I asked what they
were and had the full ten minute explanation. The term "duvet" didn't
feature within it - that was a year or two later.
Did these "continental quilts" have removable covers? (That's how they
differ from eiderdowns, which don't, and the latter don't droop down the
sides of the bed, and you don't sleep next to them.)
Oh yes, that's the whole point of them. People point to the absence of
need for top sheets, but the cover is the sheet!

When my wife arrived on the scene, she was the one who initiated the
swap to CQs/duvets. Before that, I'd been using top sheets and blankets.
Joe
2025-02-12 19:00:28 UTC
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Oh yes, that's the whole point of them. People point to the absence
of need for top sheets, but the cover is the sheet!
When my wife arrived on the scene, she was the one who initiated the
swap to CQs/duvets. Before that, I'd been using top sheets and
blankets.
And now we have fitted bottom sheets, the ironing of which provides a
useful introduction to non-Euclidean geometry.
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Andy Burns
2025-02-12 19:19:03 UTC
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we have fitted bottom sheets, the ironing of which provides a
useful introduction to non-Euclidean geometry.
Ironing?

Remove from washing line (or this time of year, the tumble dryer) put on
bed.
Peter Able
2025-02-12 20:08:48 UTC
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we have fitted bottom sheets, the ironing of which provides a
useful introduction to non-Euclidean geometry.
Ironing?
Remove from washing line (or this time of year, the tumble dryer) put on
bed.
WHS!
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2025-02-12 19:22:45 UTC
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Oh yes, that's the whole point of them. People point to the absence
of need for top sheets, but the cover is the sheet!
When my wife arrived on the scene, she was the one who initiated the
swap to CQs/duvets. Before that, I'd been using top sheets and blankets.
And now we have fitted bottom sheets, the ironing of which provides a
useful introduction to non-Euclidean geometry.
We have what the Swiss call Jersey Stretch bottom sheets, which are slightly
elasticated and therefore don't need ironing. Fit 'em on the mattress and they
flatten out.
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Chris Green
2025-02-12 20:11:35 UTC
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Oh yes, that's the whole point of them. People point to the absence
of need for top sheets, but the cover is the sheet!
When my wife arrived on the scene, she was the one who initiated the
swap to CQs/duvets. Before that, I'd been using top sheets and blankets.
And now we have fitted bottom sheets, the ironing of which provides a
useful introduction to non-Euclidean geometry.
Who on earth irons them? I do admit that hanging them out to dry can
be 'interesting' though.
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JNugent
2025-02-13 01:12:44 UTC
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Oh yes, that's the whole point of them. People point to the absence
of need for top sheets, but the cover is the sheet!
When my wife arrived on the scene, she was the one who initiated the
swap to CQs/duvets. Before that, I'd been using top sheets and blankets.
And now we have fitted bottom sheets, the ironing of which provides a
useful introduction to non-Euclidean geometry.
I leave such things to those better able to understand them.
Sam Plusnet
2025-02-12 20:34:21 UTC
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No central heating, no fridge, no hot water most of the time. No duvets .
Horrid in wintertime.
Duvets started about 1970? I think we got them for Habitat. A bit like
onesies, you get them and wonder why you didn't have them before.
A female acquaintance worked in Selfridges in the 1970s. On a trip to
London circa 1975, I was having a drink in a Duke Street pub with her
and some of her colleagues when one of them mentioned "continental
quilts", newly in stock at the store. Intrigued, I asked what they were
and had the full ten minute explanation. The term "duvet" didn't feature
within it - that was a year or two later.
One unforgettable sight in Switzerland, Austria and southern Germany is
duvets being aired in fine weather by being draped over upstairs balconies.
I was in Northern Germany - about as far to the north as you could go
without getting your feet wet - and it was the same there.
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Tricky Dicky
2025-02-12 16:30:50 UTC
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OK, I can't really remember not having a TV (I'll give 'em that),
Oh I can. I can also remember periods of there being no food in the house,
too.
Post by JNugent
But we never had a fridge ...
Neither did we, which didn't do much for food hygiene. Oddly enough, I have no
recollection of ever having any of the so-called childhood diseases (measles
etc)- none of them, but I remember a number of food poisoning episodes.
I have no recollection of *not* having every single disease going,
including food poisoning.
No central heating, no fridge, no hot water most of the time. No duvets .
Horrid in wintertime.
I can go one better how about an outside loo? You certainly did not hang
about doing your business. We did not have a TV until the late 50’s and
60’s. That went back to the rental company when we moved to new build 3 bed
semi and only got a new one about the time they started to broadcast BBC2.
It’s also about the time we got the first fridge. Central heating came mid
to late 60’s, I think it was the winter of 63 that spurred my parents to
invest.

Richard
Bob Eager
2025-02-12 16:47:46 UTC
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OK, I can't really remember not having a TV (I'll give 'em that),
Oh I can. I can also remember periods of there being no food in the
house, too.
Post by JNugent
But we never had a fridge ...
Neither did we, which didn't do much for food hygiene. Oddly enough, I
have no recollection of ever having any of the so-called childhood
diseases (measles etc)- none of them, but I remember a number of food
poisoning episodes.
I have no recollection of *not* having every single disease going,
including food poisoning.
No central heating, no fridge, no hot water most of the time. No duvets .
Horrid in wintertime.
I can go one better how about an outside loo? You certainly did not hang
about doing your business. We did not have a TV until the late 50’s and
60’s. That went back to the rental company when we moved to new build 3
bed semi and only got a new one about the time they started to broadcast
BBC2. It’s also about the time we got the first fridge. Central heating
came mid to late 60’s, I think it was the winter of 63 that spurred my
parents to invest.
When they married, my parents moved into my maternal grandmother's house
(1949). She made her dining room into a bedroom, and retained the living
room as is. Parents used the largest bedroom as theirs (and mine,
initially) and the smallest one as a kitchen. Last bedroom was our living
room. There was a bathroom/toilet which we used, gramdmother just for
baths. She had an outside loo which connected to the house by several
stone steps and a draughty glazed area. This also had an 'outhouse' for
garden equipment, single brick of course.

Father later split the big bedroom into a small kitchen and a smaller
bedroom for parents; the smallest bedroom was fitted with bunk beds for my
brother and me.

Only the two living rooms had fires.

Sister was born when I was six. When she had grown a bit, grandmother
extended the 'outhouse' by a few (single brick) feet, and that became the
bedroom for my brother and I; sister got the indoors bedroom. It was
*very* cold (or hot; flat roof). Definitely ice on the windows, a *lot*.
We were allowed a fan heater, but only 1 kW, and father moaned about that.
And of course we used the adjacent loo. We got lots of wildlife; I woke up
one morning eyeball to eyeball with a frog. Brother and I got up at six
o'clock every day for our paper rounds, later on.
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JNugent
2025-02-12 17:39:28 UTC
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OK, I can't really remember not having a TV (I'll give 'em that),
Oh I can. I can also remember periods of there being no food in the house,
too.
Post by JNugent
But we never had a fridge ...
Neither did we, which didn't do much for food hygiene. Oddly enough, I have no
recollection of ever having any of the so-called childhood diseases (measles
etc)- none of them, but I remember a number of food poisoning episodes.
I have no recollection of *not* having every single disease going,
including food poisoning.
No central heating, no fridge, no hot water most of the time. No duvets .
Horrid in wintertime.
I can go one better how about an outside loo? You certainly did not hang
about doing your business.
That was more common than you might think. There were hundreds of
thousands (if not millions) of houses which answered the description of
not having indoor plumbing of any sort (including bathrooms with indoor
toilets) other than a single cold tap in the "back kitchen" or scullery.
Over a lifetime (so far!), I have spent about eight or nine years in
such accommodation. It was one of those things you just had to accept.
There were a lot of other people in the same boat and much of the
housing stock in that category was never going to be improved because it
was condemned and just waiting to be demolished (which most of it now
has been).
Post by Tricky Dicky
We did not have a TV until the late 50’s and
60’s. That went back to the rental company when we moved to new build 3 bed
semi and only got a new one about the time they started to broadcast BBC2.
It’s also about the time we got the first fridge. Central heating came mid
to late 60’s, I think it was the winter of 63 that spurred my parents to
invest.
There was no central heating or double glazing in the first (Lancashire)
house I bought (built only in 1973) or in the Home Counties apartment
(built 1961) I bought next. We have had central heating in every
subsequent house. And double glazing. But I was in my late thirties
before we had those.
Pamela
2025-02-11 23:07:37 UTC
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[re. visit to V&A in 1976 for 25th anniversary exhibition on the
Festival of Britain:]
Post by The Natural Philosopher
I hadn't realised how much 1950s kitsch homeware and furniture had
been inspired by that festival. Not that we had any of it. It was
still 1905 as far as my grandmother was concerned.
Lol. THAT modern!
I had a great aunt who strongly resembled Miss Marple.
I think the furniture with stuff covering the legs..
AS a family we couldn't afford to be Modern. Whatever was out o9f
fashion and therefore cheap secondhand, was what we had.
Nobody who lives on a low income can *afford* to entertain fancy
moralistic notions or the latest fashions.
Only when the 60s came around and we all had a bit of pocket money
could we iundulage in Carnaby street, rock music and feminism.
Ah yes... I remember it well.
But... I am a "boomer" (apparently) and as such, am frequently said to
have lived a life of absolute plenty, comfort and affluence right
through from birth to being a pensioner.
OK, I can't really remember not having a TV (I'll give 'em that),
though I can recall it only getting BBC. But we never had a fridge or
even a vacuum cleaner (first experience of a domestic fridge at 26,
when I bought a house for £7,000 (oops!). And the idea of a car
(despite my dad being a professional driver) was sheer sci-fi.
Out of interest, do you know how the affordability of a house for £7,000
compares to the earnings required to buy a house today?
charles
2025-02-12 09:30:01 UTC
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[re. visit to V&A in 1976 for 25th anniversary exhibition on the
Festival of Britain:]
Post by The Natural Philosopher
I hadn't realised how much 1950s kitsch homeware and furniture had
been inspired by that festival. Not that we had any of it. It was
still 1905 as far as my grandmother was concerned.
Lol. THAT modern!
I had a great aunt who strongly resembled Miss Marple.
I think the furniture with stuff covering the legs..
AS a family we couldn't afford to be Modern. Whatever was out o9f
fashion and therefore cheap secondhand, was what we had.
Nobody who lives on a low income can *afford* to entertain fancy
moralistic notions or the latest fashions.
Only when the 60s came around and we all had a bit of pocket money
could we iundulage in Carnaby street, rock music and feminism.
Ah yes... I remember it well.
But... I am a "boomer" (apparently) and as such, am frequently said to
have lived a life of absolute plenty, comfort and affluence right
through from birth to being a pensioner.
OK, I can't really remember not having a TV (I'll give 'em that),
though I can recall it only getting BBC. But we never had a fridge or
even a vacuum cleaner (first experience of a domestic fridge at 26,
when I bought a house for £7,000 (oops!). And the idea of a car
(despite my dad being a professional driver) was sheer sci-fi.
Out of interest, do you know how the affordability of a house for £7,000
compares to the earnings required to buy a house today?
our first housee (1964) cost £4300 - but needed qite a bit of work on it,
13 years later I sold it for £27,000.
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Timatmarford
2025-02-12 10:49:20 UTC
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[re. visit to V&A in 1976 for 25th anniversary exhibition on the
Festival of Britain:]
Post by The Natural Philosopher
I hadn't realised how much 1950s kitsch homeware and furniture had
been inspired by that festival. Not that we had any of it. It was
still 1905 as far as my grandmother was concerned.
Lol. THAT modern!
I had a great aunt who strongly resembled Miss Marple.
I think the furniture with stuff covering the legs..
AS a family we couldn't afford to be Modern. Whatever was out o9f
fashion and therefore cheap secondhand, was what we had.
Nobody who lives on a low income can *afford* to entertain fancy
moralistic notions or the latest fashions.
Only when the 60s came around and we all had a bit of pocket money
could we iundulage in Carnaby street, rock music and feminism.
Ah yes... I remember it well.
But... I am a "boomer" (apparently) and as such, am frequently said to
have lived a life of absolute plenty, comfort and affluence right
through from birth to being a pensioner.
OK, I can't really remember not having a TV (I'll give 'em that),
though I can recall it only getting BBC. But we never had a fridge or
even a vacuum cleaner (first experience of a domestic fridge at 26,
when I bought a house for £7,000 (oops!). And the idea of a car
(despite my dad being a professional driver) was sheer sci-fi.
Out of interest, do you know how the affordability of a house for £7,000
compares to the earnings required to buy a house today?
our first housee (1964) cost £4300 - but needed qite a bit of work on it,
13 years later I sold it for £27,000.
We joined the housing set at the end of the '60's and discovered a need
to upgrade every few years or get left behind.
5k, 22k, 86k, the farmhouse is out of sync as bought by sitting tenants,
job to value our current chalet bungalow but a two bed garage conversion
next door is asking 700k!
JNugent
2025-02-12 15:27:04 UTC
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[re. visit to V&A in 1976 for 25th anniversary exhibition on the
Festival of Britain:]
Post by The Natural Philosopher
I hadn't realised how much 1950s kitsch homeware and furniture had
been inspired by that festival. Not that we had any of it. It was
still 1905 as far as my grandmother was concerned.
Lol. THAT modern!
I had a great aunt who strongly resembled Miss Marple.
I think the furniture with stuff covering the legs..
AS a family we couldn't afford to be Modern. Whatever was out o9f
fashion and therefore cheap secondhand, was what we had.
Nobody who lives on a low income can *afford* to entertain fancy
moralistic notions or the latest fashions.
Only when the 60s came around and we all had a bit of pocket money
could we iundulage in Carnaby street, rock music and feminism.
Ah yes... I remember it well.
But... I am a "boomer" (apparently) and as such, am frequently said to
have lived a life of absolute plenty, comfort and affluence right
through from birth to being a pensioner.
OK, I can't really remember not having a TV (I'll give 'em that),
though I can recall it only getting BBC. But we never had a fridge or
even a vacuum cleaner (first experience of a domestic fridge at 26,
when I bought a house for £7,000 (oops!). And the idea of a car
(despite my dad being a professional driver) was sheer sci-fi.
Out of interest, do you know how the affordability of a house for £7,000
compares to the earnings required to buy a house today?
I can't be as authoritative as I'd like on the exact answer to your
question, but in 1976/1977, the earnings for my tax return were circa
£3,000 net of business expenses, but subject to tax and NI. So probably
about £45 a week net.

£2340 as a fraction of £7,000 = 0.334. So a three times NET income house
price. The loan was, of course, only £6,300. It cost me £42.96 a month
(repayment basis).

Perhaps less (a little less) would have been enough. I was living alone,
so there was no second income to be TIA.
Jeff Layman
2025-02-08 17:25:32 UTC
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"The Science Museum guide claims that people think “the top of the
brick with sticking out pins is male, the bottom of the brick with
holes to receive the pins is female, and the process of the two
sides being put together is called mating”.
Why is that woke? It is standard language for tools plugs etc, isn't
it? If it looks like a dick it is male, if it has a dick fit into
it, it is female.
The wokery bit claims it is 'anti LBGT' because 'it normalises
heterosexual sex'
"Lego can be anti-LGBT, the Science Museum has said.
A self-guided museum tour on “stories of queer communities,
experiences and identities” includes a display of Lego bricks
alongside a guide stating the plastic blocks may reinforce the idea
that heterosexuality “is the norm”.
So they were in favour of giving kids Lego?
Although I like science, I preferred the Natural History Museum, next door.
Haven't been to either in years. Went to the British a while back, and
the V & A.
Same here. Took my young son to the Science Museum (and the "Launchpad"
exhibition) back in the early 1990s and we did a family trip to the
Natural History Museum not long after (the dilodocus skeleton was still
on display).
I used to take the bus on my own across London to South Ken to go to the
museums. That was in the late 50s as (just) pre-teenager. I don't think
that would be likely today! The Science Museum was full of things with
buttons to push, wheels to turn and levers to move to show how things
worked. When I went back 50 years later I was astonished at how it had
changed and how little there was to actually do. I stayed barely 30
minutes and left for the Natural History Museum with its now-joined
Geology Museum. I'd visited the NHM in July 2005 to see the special
diamond, gemstones, and jewellery exhibition. I'm glad I went then - it
was supposed to run until February 2006, but closed three months early
when the police received intelligence that an attempt to steal the
jewels was being planned.
--
Jeff
Jeff Gaines
2025-02-06 14:38:06 UTC
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A self-guided museum tour on “stories of queer communities, experiences
and identities” includes a display of Lego bricks alongside a guide
stating the plastic blocks may reinforce the idea that heterosexuality
“is the norm”.
Good, because heterosexuality is the norm, otherwise there would be no
life on Earth.
--
Jeff Gaines Dorset UK
If it's not broken, mess around with it until it is
charles
2025-02-06 16:15:03 UTC
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A self-guided museum tour on ”stories of queer communities, experiences
and identities• includes a display of Lego bricks alongside a guide
stating the plastic blocks may reinforce the idea that heterosexuality
”is the norm•.
Good, because heterosexuality is the norm, otherwise there would be no
life on Earth.
Which reninds me of a quote from The Importance of Being Earnest about a
religious sect which practiced total celibacy "Not surprisingly, they died
out."
--
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"I'd rather die of exhaustion than die of boredom" Thomas Carlyle
The Natural Philosopher
2025-02-06 16:26:42 UTC
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Post by The Natural Philosopher
A self-guided museum tour on “stories of queer communities,
experiences and identities” includes a display of Lego bricks
alongside a guide stating the plastic blocks may reinforce the idea
that heterosexuality “is the norm”.
Good, because heterosexuality is the norm, otherwise there would be no
life on Earth.
My thoughts exactly
In time the LBGTQ community will breed themselves into extinction...
--
"I guess a rattlesnake ain't risponsible fer bein' a rattlesnake, but ah
puts mah heel on um jess the same if'n I catches him around mah chillun".
charles
2025-02-06 17:45:03 UTC
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Post by Jeff Gaines
A self-guided museum tour on ”stories of queer communities,
experiences and identities• includes a display of Lego bricks
alongside a guide stating the plastic blocks may reinforce the idea
that heterosexuality ”is the norm•.
Good, because heterosexuality is the norm, otherwise there would be no
life on Earth.
My thoughts exactly
In time the LBGTQ community will breed themselves into extinction...
--
My wife - a biologist - tells me that wild animals turn homosexual when
their living space becomes overcrowded. Maybe humans do the same.
--
from KT24 in Surrey, England - sent from my RISC OS 4té²
"I'd rather die of exhaustion than die of boredom" Thomas Carlyle
Pancho
2025-02-06 17:48:46 UTC
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My wife - a biologist - tells me that wild animals turn homosexual when
their living space becomes overcrowded. Maybe humans do the same.
Maybe she wants you to build the extension she has been asking for.
Tim+
2025-02-06 19:09:01 UTC
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Post by charles
My wife - a biologist - tells me that wild animals turn homosexual when
their living space becomes overcrowded. Maybe humans do the same.
Maybe she wants you to build the extension she has been asking for.
“Extension” or “erection”? ;-)

Tim
--
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charles
2025-02-06 19:45:03 UTC
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My wife - a biologist - tells me that wild animals turn homosexual when
their living space becomes overcrowded. Maybe humans do the same.
Maybe she wants you to build the extension she has been asking for.
Luckily for me, thatbextension was built - not very well - before we bought
the house. I did build one at our previous house,
--
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"I'd rather die of exhaustion than die of boredom" Thomas Carlyle
The Natural Philosopher
2025-02-07 01:07:11 UTC
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Post by Jeff Gaines
A self-guided museum tour on ”stories of queer communities,
experiences and identities• includes a display of Lego bricks
alongside a guide stating the plastic blocks may reinforce the idea
that heterosexuality ”is the norm•.
Good, because heterosexuality is the norm, otherwise there would be no
life on Earth.
My thoughts exactly
In time the LBGTQ community will breed themselves into extinction...
--
My wife - a biologist - tells me that wild animals turn homosexual when
their living space becomes overcrowded. Maybe humans do the same.
yeah. I saw that study years ago. Probably applies to the crowded Royal
Navy ships of Nelsons time too.
--
"When a true genius appears in the world, you may know him by this sign,
that the dunces are all in confederacy against him."

Jonathan Swift.
Vir Campestris
2025-02-07 12:20:24 UTC
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Good, because heterosexuality is the norm, otherwise there would be no
life on Earth.
An awful lot of life reproduces by asexual division. Important crops
like potatoes and bananas are produced that way - the potato flowers and
berries aren't used much.

But I take your point.

Andy
Jeff Gaines
2025-02-07 13:34:18 UTC
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Good, because heterosexuality is the norm, otherwise there would be no
life on Earth.
An awful lot of life reproduces by asexual division. Important crops like
potatoes and bananas are produced that way - the potato flowers and
berries aren't used much.
But I take your point.
Andy
Quite rare to see potatoes running round shagging each other :-)
--
Jeff Gaines Dorset UK
By the time you can make ends meet they move the ends
The Natural Philosopher
2025-02-07 13:40:38 UTC
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Good, because heterosexuality is the norm, otherwise there would be
no life on Earth.
An awful lot of life reproduces by asexual division. Important crops
like potatoes and bananas are produced that way - the potato flowers
and berries aren't used much.
But I take your point.
Andy
Quite rare to see potatoes running round shagging each other :-)
OOh Arrgh., You haint bin down tham there potato fields on a moonlit
night, have ee? Taters are very romantik ...

Don't female FLOWERS have sticky out bits as well?
--
Ideas are more powerful than guns. We would not let our enemies have
guns, why should we let them have ideas?

Josef Stalin
Max Demian
2025-02-08 17:36:16 UTC
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Good, because heterosexuality is the norm, otherwise there would be
no life on Earth.
An awful lot of life reproduces by asexual division. Important crops
like potatoes and bananas are produced that way - the potato flowers
and berries aren't used much.
But I take your point.
Quite rare to see potatoes running round shagging each other :-)
OOh Arrgh., You haint bin down tham there potato fields on a moonlit
night, have ee? Taters are very romantik ...
Don't female FLOWERS have sticky out bits as well?
Female maize flowers have pubic hair (to catch the pollen I assume).
--
Max Demian
The Natural Philosopher
2025-02-08 19:23:54 UTC
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Good, because heterosexuality is the norm, otherwise there would be
no life on Earth.
An awful lot of life reproduces by asexual division. Important crops
like potatoes and bananas are produced that way - the potato flowers
and berries aren't used much.
But I take your point.
Quite rare to see potatoes running round shagging each other :-)
OOh Arrgh., You haint bin down tham there potato fields on a moonlit
night, have ee? Taters are very romantik ...
Don't female FLOWERS have sticky out bits as well?
Female maize flowers have pubic hair (to catch the pollen I assume).
Far OUT!
--
"The great thing about Glasgow is that if there's a nuclear attack it'll
look exactly the same afterwards."

Billy Connolly
David Wade
2025-02-07 16:07:17 UTC
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Good, because heterosexuality is the norm, otherwise there would be no
life on Earth.
Not true. It might not reach the diversity we have today, but there are
asexual organisms. Many of the simplest single cell organisms reproduce
simply by splitting. And whilst reproducing sexually many other
creatures, typically invertebrates such as slugs, snails and worms are
hermaphrodite. Some are both male and female at the same time, whilst
others change gender.

For example all clownfish are born male and some change to female later
in life.

So whilst it does not often occur in humans, there are many gender-fluid
forms of life where the terms "male" and "female" are either not
appropriate, or not fixed for the life of the organism...
Post by Vir Campestris
An awful lot of life reproduces by asexual division. Important crops
like potatoes and bananas are produced that way - the potato flowers and
berries aren't used much.
But I take your point.
Andy
Dave
Joe
2025-02-06 15:03:58 UTC
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Post by Pancho
Post by The Natural Philosopher
"The Science Museum guide claims that people think “the top of the
brick with sticking out pins is male, the bottom of the brick with
holes to receive the pins is female, and the process of the two
sides being put together is called mating”.
Why is that woke? It is standard language for tools plugs etc,
isn't it? If it looks like a dick it is male, if it has a dick fit
into it, it is female.
The wokery bit claims it is 'anti LBGT' because 'it normalises
heterosexual sex'
"Lego can be anti-LGBT, the Science Museum has said.
A self-guided museum tour on “stories of queer communities,
experiences and identities” includes a display of Lego bricks
alongside a guide stating the plastic blocks may reinforce the idea
that heterosexuality “is the norm”.
As, of course, it is. If these nutcases' ancestors hadn't thought that
heterosexuality was the norm, they wouldn't be around to complain.

What is really annoying, is not that the nutcases say these things (as
they do just to annoy normal people) but that they're doing it at
taxpayers' expense.

I wonder if Trump will lend Elon Musk to us when he's finished draining
the US swamp. It's quite entertaining seeing what USAID has been
funding, the BBC among other things.
--
Joe
The Natural Philosopher
2025-02-06 16:28:55 UTC
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Post by Pancho
Post by The Natural Philosopher
"The Science Museum guide claims that people think “the top of the
brick with sticking out pins is male, the bottom of the brick with
holes to receive the pins is female, and the process of the two
sides being put together is called mating”.
Why is that woke? It is standard language for tools plugs etc,
isn't it? If it looks like a dick it is male, if it has a dick fit
into it, it is female.
The wokery bit claims it is 'anti LBGT' because 'it normalises
heterosexual sex'
"Lego can be anti-LGBT, the Science Museum has said.
A self-guided museum tour on “stories of queer communities,
experiences and identities” includes a display of Lego bricks
alongside a guide stating the plastic blocks may reinforce the idea
that heterosexuality “is the norm”.
As, of course, it is. If these nutcases' ancestors hadn't thought that
heterosexuality was the norm, they wouldn't be around to complain.
What is really annoying, is not that the nutcases say these things (as
they do just to annoy normal people) but that they're doing it at
taxpayers' expense.
I wonder if Trump will lend Elon Musk to us when he's finished draining
the US swamp. It's quite entertaining seeing what USAID has been
funding, the BBC among other things.
Flippin eck. Funding Aunty to drip feed us PC shit.
--
"I guess a rattlesnake ain't risponsible fer bein' a rattlesnake, but ah
puts mah heel on um jess the same if'n I catches him around mah chillun".
SteveW
2025-02-06 17:48:50 UTC
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"The Science Museum guide claims that people think “the top of the
brick with sticking out pins is male, the bottom of the brick with
holes to receive the pins is female, and the process of the two sides
being put together is called mating”.
Why is that woke? It is standard language for tools plugs etc, isn't
it? If it looks like a dick it is male, if it has a dick fit into it,
it is female.
The wokery bit claims it is 'anti LBGT'  because 'it normalises
heterosexual sex'
"Lego can be anti-LGBT, the Science Museum has said.
A self-guided museum tour on “stories of queer communities, experiences
and identities” includes a display of Lego bricks alongside a guide
stating the plastic blocks may reinforce the idea that heterosexuality
“is the norm”.
They're not going to get far going into a car parts shop and asking for
non-binary bullet connectors, rather than male or female ones.

Come to think of it, they'll probably object to the word bullet.
SH
2025-02-06 19:40:05 UTC
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"The Science Museum guide claims that people think “the top of the
brick with sticking out pins is male, the bottom of the brick with
holes to receive the pins is female, and the process of the two sides
being put together is called mating”.
Why is that woke? It is standard language for tools plugs etc, isn't
it? If it looks like a dick it is male, if it has a dick fit into it,
it is female.
The wokery bit claims it is 'anti LBGT'  because 'it normalises
heterosexual sex'
"Lego can be anti-LGBT, the Science Museum has said.
A self-guided museum tour on “stories of queer communities, experiences
and identities” includes a display of Lego bricks alongside a guide
stating the plastic blocks may reinforce the idea that heterosexuality
“is the norm”.
Well surely the fact that Lego bricks comes in all different colours,
there's representation for each of the colours used on the LGBTQIA+
Pride Flag?
The Natural Philosopher
2025-02-07 01:08:36 UTC
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"The Science Museum guide claims that people think “the top of the
brick with sticking out pins is male, the bottom of the brick with
holes to receive the pins is female, and the process of the two
sides being put together is called mating”.
Why is that woke? It is standard language for tools plugs etc, isn't
it? If it looks like a dick it is male, if it has a dick fit into it,
it is female.
The wokery bit claims it is 'anti LBGT'  because 'it normalises
heterosexual sex'
"Lego can be anti-LGBT, the Science Museum has said.
A self-guided museum tour on “stories of queer communities,
experiences and identities” includes a display of Lego bricks
alongside a guide stating the plastic blocks may reinforce the idea
that heterosexuality “is the norm”.
Well surely the fact that Lego bricks comes in all different colours,
there's representation for each of the colours used on the LGBTQIA+
Pride Flag?
Apparently diversity of skin color is trumped by normalising
heterosexual sex.
--
"Corbyn talks about equality, justice, opportunity, health care, peace,
community, compassion, investment, security, housing...."
"What kind of person is not interested in those things?"

"Jeremy Corbyn?"
Dave W
2025-02-06 20:40:14 UTC
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Post by The Natural Philosopher
Post by Pancho
"The Science Museum guide claims that people think “the top of the
brick with sticking out pins is male, the bottom of the brick with
holes to receive the pins is female, and the process of the two sides
being put together is called mating”.
Why is that woke? It is standard language for tools plugs etc, isn't it?
If it looks like a dick it is male, if it has a dick fit into it, it is
female.
The wokery bit claims it is 'anti LBGT' because 'it normalises
heterosexual sex'
"Lego can be anti-LGBT, the Science Museum has said.
A self-guided museum tour on “stories of queer communities, experiences
and identities” includes a display of Lego bricks alongside a guide
stating the plastic blocks may reinforce the idea that heterosexuality
“is the norm”.
Well it is, isn'
The Natural Philosopher
2025-02-07 01:09:19 UTC
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Post by The Natural Philosopher
Post by Pancho
Post by The Natural Philosopher
"The Science Museum guide claims that people think “the top of the
brick with sticking out pins is male, the bottom of the brick with
holes to receive the pins is female, and the process of the two sides
being put together is called mating”.
Why is that woke? It is standard language for tools plugs etc, isn't it?
If it looks like a dick it is male, if it has a dick fit into it, it is
female.
The wokery bit claims it is 'anti LBGT' because 'it normalises
heterosexual sex'
"Lego can be anti-LGBT, the Science Museum has said.
A self-guided museum tour on “stories of queer communities, experiences
and identities” includes a display of Lego bricks alongside a guide
stating the plastic blocks may reinforce the idea that heterosexuality
“is the norm”.
Well it is, isn't it? 'norm' refers to the majority.
Well according to them there is no 'normal' just a 'spectrum'
--
"Corbyn talks about equality, justice, opportunity, health care, peace,
community, compassion, investment, security, housing...."
"What kind of person is not interested in those things?"

"Jeremy Corbyn?"
Max Demian
2025-02-07 12:07:04 UTC
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"The Science Museum guide claims that people think “the top of the
brick with sticking out pins is male, the bottom of the brick with
holes to receive the pins is female, and the process of the two sides
being put together is called mating”.
Why is that woke? It is standard language for tools plugs etc, isn't
it? If it looks like a dick it is male, if it has a dick fit into it,
it is female.
The wokery bit claims it is 'anti LBGT'  because 'it normalises
heterosexual sex'
"Lego can be anti-LGBT, the Science Museum has said.
A self-guided museum tour on “stories of queer communities, experiences
and identities” includes a display of Lego bricks alongside a guide
stating the plastic blocks may reinforce the idea that heterosexuality
“is the norm”.
Kids trying to fit the bricks together the wrong way might convince them
that homosexuality is impossible.
--
Max Demian
Scott
2025-02-12 16:41:31 UTC
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Post by The Natural Philosopher
Post by Pancho
"The Science Museum guide claims that people think “the top of the
brick with sticking out pins is male, the bottom of the brick with
holes to receive the pins is female, and the process of the two sides
being put together is called mating”.
Why is that woke? It is standard language for tools plugs etc, isn't it?
If it looks like a dick it is male, if it has a dick fit into it, it is
female.
The wokery bit claims it is 'anti LBGT' because 'it normalises
heterosexual sex'
Not necessarily if you think about the possible permutations involving
two men :-)
JNugent
2025-02-08 15:16:14 UTC
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"The Science Museum guide claims that people think “the top of the
brick with sticking out pins is male, the bottom of the brick with
holes to receive the pins is female, and the process of the two sides
being put together is called mating”.
Why is that woke? It is standard language for tools plugs etc, isn't it?
If it looks like a dick it is male, if it has a dick fit into it, it is
female.
Absolutely correct. Standard engineering and electrical practice and
nomenclature for over a hundred years.
Joe
2025-02-08 15:24:45 UTC
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"The Science Museum guide claims that people think “the top of the
brick with sticking out pins is male, the bottom of the brick with
holes to receive the pins is female, and the process of the two
sides being put together is called mating”.
Why is that woke? It is standard language for tools plugs etc,
isn't it? If it looks like a dick it is male, if it has a dick fit
into it, it is female.
Absolutely correct. Standard engineering and electrical practice and
nomenclature for over a hundred years.
And heterosexuality goes back a bit further than that. I think those
who disparage it are working to reduce the Western population, whether
they realise it or not.
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Joe
The Natural Philosopher
2025-02-08 15:58:06 UTC
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Post by Pancho
Post by The Natural Philosopher
"The Science Museum guide claims that people think “the top of the
brick with sticking out pins is male, the bottom of the brick with
holes to receive the pins is female, and the process of the two
sides being put together is called mating”.
Why is that woke? It is standard language for tools plugs etc,
isn't it? If it looks like a dick it is male, if it has a dick fit
into it, it is female.
Absolutely correct. Standard engineering and electrical practice and
nomenclature for over a hundred years.
And heterosexuality goes back a bit further than that. I think those
who disparage it are working to reduce the Western population, whether
they realise it or not.
Well of course. The greeks had women for children and boys for pleasure
although my impressions of gay 'house bitches' are that they are a pain
in the arse. Literally.
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Jim Jackson
2025-02-10 12:00:59 UTC
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And heterosexuality goes back a bit further than that. I think those
who disparage it are working to reduce the Western population, whether
they realise it or not.
Don't think we need that - where Japan leads we follow, and
I don't think there's much "disparaging of heterosexuality" in Japan.

https://www.worldometers.info/world-population/japan-population/

Decline in Population growth in many affluent countries has very
little to do with any marginal affects attitudes to sexuality have.
The clue's in the "affluent".
Max Demian
2025-02-10 17:56:16 UTC
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And heterosexuality goes back a bit further than that. I think those
who disparage it are working to reduce the Western population, whether
they realise it or not.
Don't think we need that - where Japan leads we follow, and
I don't think there's much "disparaging of heterosexuality" in Japan.
https://www.worldometers.info/world-population/japan-population/
Decline in Population growth in many affluent countries has very
little to do with any marginal affects attitudes to sexuality have.
The clue's in the "affluent".
It's contraception and feminism. Or feminism and contraception.
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Jim Jackson
2025-02-10 18:53:55 UTC
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And heterosexuality goes back a bit further than that. I think those
who disparage it are working to reduce the Western population, whether
they realise it or not.
Don't think we need that - where Japan leads we follow, and
I don't think there's much "disparaging of heterosexuality" in Japan.
https://www.worldometers.info/world-population/japan-population/
Decline in Population growth in many affluent countries has very
little to do with any marginal affects attitudes to sexuality have.
The clue's in the "affluent".
It's contraception and feminism. Or feminism and contraception.
contraception is just the mechanism - not the cause.
And "feminism"? You mean women making decisions for themselves?
Max Demian
2025-02-11 12:17:09 UTC
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And heterosexuality goes back a bit further than that. I think those
who disparage it are working to reduce the Western population, whether
they realise it or not.
Don't think we need that - where Japan leads we follow, and
I don't think there's much "disparaging of heterosexuality" in Japan.
https://www.worldometers.info/world-population/japan-population/
Decline in Population growth in many affluent countries has very
little to do with any marginal affects attitudes to sexuality have.
The clue's in the "affluent".
It's contraception and feminism. Or feminism and contraception.
contraception is just the mechanism - not the cause.
And "feminism"? You mean women making decisions for themselves?
Young women freezing their eggs, and when they are middle aged, getting
some sperm from somewhere, like a used condom.
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Sam Plusnet
2025-02-12 20:31:28 UTC
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And heterosexuality goes back a bit further than that. I think those
who disparage it are working to reduce the Western population, whether
they realise it or not.
Don't think we need that - where Japan leads we follow, and
I don't think there's much "disparaging of heterosexuality" in Japan.
https://www.worldometers.info/world-population/japan-population/
Decline in Population growth in many affluent countries has very
little to do with any marginal affects attitudes to sexuality have.
The clue's in the "affluent".
It's contraception and feminism. Or feminism and contraception.
contraception is just the mechanism - not the cause.
And "feminism"? You mean women making decisions for themselves?
Young women freezing their eggs, and when they are middle aged, getting
some sperm from somewhere, like a used condom.
Thanks for the entertainment.
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The Natural Philosopher
2025-02-13 04:23:35 UTC
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And heterosexuality goes back a bit further than that. I think those
who disparage it are working to reduce the Western population, whether
they realise it or not.
Don't think we need that - where Japan leads we follow, and
I don't think there's much "disparaging of heterosexuality" in Japan.
https://www.worldometers.info/world-population/japan-population/
Decline in Population growth in many affluent countries has very
little to do with any marginal affects attitudes to sexuality have.
The clue's in the "affluent".
It's contraception and feminism. Or feminism and contraception.
contraception is just the mechanism - not the cause.
And "feminism"? You mean women making decisions for themselves?
The problem with feminism is that we have gone from a society in which
women had to stay at home and have babies to one where they have to have
careers and not children or do both.

Neither case is 'freedom' Radical feminism constrains behaviour just as
much as misogyny
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Young women freezing their eggs, and when they are middle aged,
getting some sperm from somewhere, like a used condom.
Thanks for the entertainment.
However that all depends on access to a technological society that none
of these people understand or are capable of maintaining

Traditional sex means a woman can bear a child using only 9 months of
totally unskilled labour.
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The Natural Philosopher
2025-02-08 15:50:28 UTC
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"The Science Museum guide claims that people think “the top of the
brick with sticking out pins is male, the bottom of the brick with
holes to receive the pins is female, and the process of the two sides
being put together is called mating”.
Why is that woke? It is standard language for tools plugs etc, isn't it?
If it looks like a dick it is male, if it has a dick fit into it, it is
female.
Absolutely correct. Standard engineering and electrical practice and
nomenclature for over a hundred years.
Think of the sheer terror of being told that Red is positive but *Black
is negative*....
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John Rumm
2025-02-06 13:24:19 UTC
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"The Science Museum guide claims that people think “the top of the brick
with sticking out pins is male, the bottom of the brick with holes to
receive the pins is female, and the process of the two sides being put
together is called mating”.
I take it we are talking lego rather than fletton or engineering here?
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SH
2025-02-06 17:06:17 UTC
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"The Science Museum guide claims that people think “the top of the brick
with sticking out pins is male, the bottom of the brick with holes to
receive the pins is female, and the process of the two sides being put
together is called mating”.
Thats not my recollection of masonry/house building bricks.......
The Natural Philosopher
2025-02-07 01:06:08 UTC
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"The Science Museum guide claims that people think “the top of the
brick with sticking out pins is male, the bottom of the brick with
holes to receive the pins is female, and the process of the two sides
being put together is called mating”.
Thats not my recollection of masonry/house building bricks.......
We are talking LEGO bricks dear. They offend the LBGTQ community, or
someone thinks they might because they 'normalise' the male penetrating
the female which is apparently insulting to arse bandits ,lezzers and
boys in frocks.
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that the dunces are all in confederacy against him."

Jonathan Swift.
Joe
2025-02-07 10:28:21 UTC
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Post by SH
Post by The Natural Philosopher
"The Science Museum guide claims that people think “the top of the
brick with sticking out pins is male, the bottom of the brick with
holes to receive the pins is female, and the process of the two
sides being put together is called mating”.
Thats not my recollection of masonry/house building bricks.......
We are talking LEGO bricks dear. They offend the LBGTQ community, or
someone thinks they might because they 'normalise' the male
penetrating the female which is apparently insulting to arse bandits
,lezzers and boys in frocks.
We had all this with male and female electrical connectors some years
ago.

The bumps on LEGO are actually known as studs. Is that worse?

Some technical terminology:

http://www.andrewlipson.com/escher/relativity.html
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Joe
Max Demian
2025-02-07 12:09:27 UTC
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"The Science Museum guide claims that people think “the top of the
brick with sticking out pins is male, the bottom of the brick with
holes to receive the pins is female, and the process of the two sides
being put together is called mating”.
Thats not my recollection of masonry/house building bricks.......
We are talking LEGO bricks dear.  They offend the LBGTQ community, or
someone thinks they might because they 'normalise' the male penetrating
the female which is apparently insulting to arse bandits ,lezzers and
boys in frocks.
The OP forgot to say he was talking about LEGO bricks.
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Sam Plusnet
2025-02-07 19:45:53 UTC
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"The Science Museum guide claims that people think “the top of the
brick with sticking out pins is male, the bottom of the brick with
holes to receive the pins is female, and the process of the two
sides being put together is called mating”.
Thats not my recollection of masonry/house building bricks.......
We are talking LEGO bricks dear.  They offend the LBGTQ community, or
someone thinks they might because they 'normalise' the male
penetrating the female which is apparently insulting to arse
bandits ,lezzers and boys in frocks.
The OP forgot to say he was talking about LEGO bricks.
and spherical objects.
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Sam Plusnet
Fredxx
2025-02-07 15:09:19 UTC
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"The Science Museum guide claims that people think “the top of the
brick with sticking out pins is male, the bottom of the brick with
holes to receive the pins is female, and the process of the two sides
being put together is called mating”.
Thats not my recollection of masonry/house building bricks.......
We are talking LEGO bricks dear.  They offend the LBGTQ community, or
someone thinks they might because they 'normalise' the male penetrating
the female which is apparently insulting to arse bandits ,lezzers and
boys in frocks.
Perhaps clarification should be made to refer male to 'top' and female
to 'bottom'. Some of the LGBTQ+ community might agree?
Joe
2025-02-07 16:40:47 UTC
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Post by SH
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"The Science Museum guide claims that people think “the top of
the brick with sticking out pins is male, the bottom of the brick
with holes to receive the pins is female, and the process of the
two sides being put together is called mating”.
Thats not my recollection of masonry/house building bricks.......
We are talking LEGO bricks dear.  They offend the LBGTQ community,
or someone thinks they might because they 'normalise' the male
penetrating the female which is apparently insulting to arse
bandits ,lezzers and boys in frocks.
Perhaps clarification should be made to refer male to 'top' and
female to 'bottom'. Some of the LGBTQ+ community might agree?
It's not always that way round.

https://bricknerd.com/home/snot-basics-geometry-techniques-and-pitfalls-3-18-2021
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Joe
Max Demian
2025-02-08 17:38:59 UTC
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"The Science Museum guide claims that people think “the top of the
brick with sticking out pins is male, the bottom of the brick with
holes to receive the pins is female, and the process of the two
sides being put together is called mating”.
Thats not my recollection of masonry/house building bricks.......
We are talking LEGO bricks dear.  They offend the LBGTQ community, or
someone thinks they might because they 'normalise' the male
penetrating the female which is apparently insulting to arse
bandits ,lezzers and boys in frocks.
Perhaps clarification should be made to refer male to 'top' and female
to 'bottom'. Some of the LGBTQ+ community might agree?
Missionary LEGO?
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Max Demian
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