Ping ARW Re Linteq-50 led bars

[Andrew]

Waitrose Horsham have added additional lighting in the isle where they
sell kitchen tools and the light output is amazing.

I really want these in my kitchen because they resemble ordinary
fluorescent tube fittings whereas those 600x300 led panels are
a bit 'office'.

I emailed Waitrose and they sent me these details -

<snip> Edge Lighting and are from their Linteq range. Specifically the
Linteq 50. The specification and their website contact details are below.

https://edgelighting.co.uk/product/linteq-50/

I haven't been able to find a price and they seem to have a lot
more functionality than just normal lighting.

Have you even fitted these, and what sort of price are they ?

Regards

Andrew

PS I have a photo of the isle in question but my phone decided that
there was too much light so it doesn't do justice to the effect.

[Tim Streater]

Post by Andrew
Waitrose Horsham have added additional lighting in the isle where they
sell kitchen tools and the light output is amazing.
I really want these in my kitchen because they resemble ordinary
fluorescent tube fittings whereas those 600x300 led panels are
a bit 'office'.
I emailed Waitrose and they sent me these details -
<snip> Edge Lighting and are from their Linteq range. Specifically the
Linteq 50. The specification and their website contact details are below.
https://edgelighting.co.uk/product/linteq-50/
I haven't been able to find a price and they seem to have a lot
more functionality than just normal lighting.
Have you even fitted these, and what sort of price are they ?
Regards
Andrew
PS I have a photo of the isle in question but my phone decided that
there was too much light so it doesn't do justice to the effect.

Last time I looked, Horsham is not an island. So I assume you meant aisle.

[The Natural Philosopher]

Post by Tim Streater

Post by Andrew
Waitrose Horsham have added additional lighting in the isle where they
sell kitchen tools and the light output is amazing.
I really want these in my kitchen because they resemble ordinary
fluorescent tube fittings whereas those 600x300 led panels are
a bit 'office'.
I emailed Waitrose and they sent me these details -
<snip> Edge Lighting and are from their Linteq range. Specifically the
Linteq 50. The specification and their website contact details are below.
https://edgelighting.co.uk/product/linteq-50/
I haven't been able to find a price and they seem to have a lot
more functionality than just normal lighting.
Have you even fitted these, and what sort of price are they ?
Regards
Andrew
PS I have a photo of the isle in question but my phone decided that
there was too much light so it doesn't do justice to the effect.

Last time I looked, Horsham is not an island. So I assume you meant aisle.

Yebbut 'everybody' knows that giant mutant sea dragons will encircle it
and it will become one post Brexit and or climate change...

[ARW]

Post by Andrew
Waitrose Horsham have added additional lighting in the isle where they
sell kitchen tools and the light output is amazing.
I really want these in my kitchen because they resemble ordinary
fluorescent tube fittings whereas those 600x300 led panels are
a bit 'office'.
I emailed Waitrose and they sent me these details -
<snip> Edge Lighting and are from their Linteq range. Specifically the
Linteq 50. The specification and their website contact details are below.
https://edgelighting.co.uk/product/linteq-50/
I haven't been able to find a price and they seem to have a lot
more functionality than just normal lighting.
Have you even fitted these, and what sort of price are they ?
Regards
Andrew
PS I have a photo of the isle in question but my phone decided that
there was too much light so it doesn't do justice to the effect.

Never fitted them. But they will cost a lot due to good CRI and dali dimming

Try similar

https://theledstore.co/index.php?_route_=commercial-office-lighting/suspended-linear-led-direct-indirect-black-40w&

Putting Linteq-50 into Google and then click shopping brings up lots of
similar things.

[alan_m]

Post by Andrew
Waitrose Horsham have added additional lighting in the isle where they
sell kitchen tools and the light output is amazing.
I really want these in my kitchen because they resemble ordinary
fluorescent tube fittings whereas those 600x300 led panels are
a bit 'office'.

If you prefer fluorescent tube type fittings consider batten lights.
There are now some very slim and very bright varieties our there.

[Andrew]

Post by alan_m

Post by Andrew
Waitrose Horsham have added additional lighting in the isle where they
sell kitchen tools and the light output is amazing.
I really want these in my kitchen because they resemble ordinary
fluorescent tube fittings whereas those 600x300 led panels are
a bit 'office'.

If you prefer fluorescent tube type fittings consider batten lights.
There are now some very slim and very bright varieties our there.

I like the ones in Horsham Waitrose because of their 'boxy'
angular shape. The light is really fantastic.

I'll probably end up with LED panels for cost reasons.
For me, inset downlighters are just awful.

[Theo]

Post by Andrew

Post by alan_m

Post by Andrew
Waitrose Horsham have added additional lighting in the isle where they
sell kitchen tools and the light output is amazing.
I really want these in my kitchen because they resemble ordinary
fluorescent tube fittings whereas those 600x300 led panels are
a bit 'office'.

If you prefer fluorescent tube type fittings consider batten lights.
There are now some very slim and very bright varieties our there.

I like the ones in Horsham Waitrose because of their 'boxy'
angular shape. The light is really fantastic.

I'm quite impressed that Waitrose answered your question with useful
information :)

You could send Edge Lighting an email and ask how much for one? They don't
appear to have distributors so it looks like you have to buy from them.

Post by Andrew
I'll probably end up with LED panels for cost reasons.
For me, inset downlighters are just awful.

A lot of lights are based on LED tape these days. If you can find a
suitable enclosure then you could just run some tape inside, and then a
separate 12V/24V/etc driver (+/- dimmer).

Theo

[alan_m]

Post by Theo
A lot of lights are based on LED tape these days.

A lot are also on some sort of flat panel metal substrate which acts as
a heatsink and probably improves reliability.

My experience with LED strip that uses double sided sticky tape for
attachment is the that the sticky tape gives up after a while,
especially for the higher power LED strips. If considering DIY also
consider the aluminium channel with the tight fitting diffuser type lens
cover to give both heat-sinking and some physical constraint when the
glue starts failing.

[fred]

Post by Theo

Post by Andrew
I like the ones in Horsham Waitrose because of their 'boxy'
angular shape. The light is really fantastic.

I'm quite impressed that Waitrose answered your question with useful
information :)

Yes, v impressive. Sometimes almost too helpful on the phone though.

Post by Theo
You could send Edge Lighting an email and ask how much for one? They
don't appear to have distributors so it looks like you have to buy
from them.

Post by Andrew
I'll probably end up with LED panels for cost reasons.
For me, inset downlighters are just awful.

A lot of lights are based on LED tape these days. If you can find a
suitable enclosure then you could just run some tape inside, and then
a separate 12V/24V/etc driver (+/- dimmer).

Yep, 10W/m with diffuse output is pretty common these days. I've just put
some up in diffuse covered aluminium extrusion and it's very effective.
Ideal for DIY enclosure construction. VTAC extrusions are very flimsy
however and easily distort.

[Andy Burns]

Post by Theo
You could send Edge Lighting an email and ask how much for one? They don't
appear to have distributors so it looks like you have to buy from them.

Looking at the data sheet, and the number of options, it wouldn't
surprise me if they're made-to-order ... £££

[alan_m]

Post by Andrew

Post by alan_m

Post by Andrew
Waitrose Horsham have added additional lighting in the isle where they
sell kitchen tools and the light output is amazing.
I really want these in my kitchen because they resemble ordinary
fluorescent tube fittings whereas those 600x300 led panels are
a bit 'office'.

If you prefer fluorescent tube type fittings consider batten lights.
There are now some very slim and very bright varieties our there.

I like the ones in Horsham Waitrose because of their 'boxy'
angular shape. The light is really fantastic.

What about the spread of light if you are hanging them in a kitchen
rather than from a warehouse where the height of the fittings may be 4+
metres ?

Post by Andrew
I'll probably end up with LED panels for cost reasons.
For me, inset downlighters are just awful.

Having fitted some downlighters myself may years ago and later got rid
of them I cannot see the appeal of downlighters at all. Watch some
Youtube video and in house re-wires or renovations they are fitting
dozens of them to provide little shanfts of light :)

[Theo]

Post by alan_m
Having fitted some downlighters myself may years ago and later got rid
of them I cannot see the appeal of downlighters at all. Watch some
Youtube video and in house re-wires or renovations they are fitting
dozens of them to provide little shanfts of light :)

I lived somewhere that had randomly scattered downlights in the kitchen
ceiling. Problem was they hadn't fitted them over any of the worktops,
which meant that whenever you were standing at eg the sink you were casting
a deep shadow on what you were doing. Just resorted to using the strip
lights under the cupboards (which were controlled by a handy switch next to
the door) and ignored the ceiling lights.

Also, I hate that you have to cut holes in the ceiling which bust your
insulation and fire protection.

Theo

[Jeff Layman]

Post by Theo

Post by alan_m
Having fitted some downlighters myself may years ago and later got rid
of them I cannot see the appeal of downlighters at all.

I hate the things - and the damn holes they leave in ceilings when you
want to replace them.

Post by Theo
I lived somewhere that had randomly scattered downlights in the kitchen
ceiling. Problem was they hadn't fitted them over any of the worktops,
which meant that whenever you were standing at eg the sink you were casting
a deep shadow on what you were doing. Just resorted to using the strip
lights under the cupboards (which were controlled by a handy switch next to
the door) and ignored the ceiling lights.
Also, I hate that you have to cut holes in the ceiling which bust your
insulation and fire protection.

Does anyone like them? Were they just another thing dreamed up by
designers without a thought given to their practicality?

[The Natural Philosopher]

Post by Jeff Layman

Post by Theo

Post by alan_m
Having fitted some downlighters myself may years ago and later got rid
of them I cannot see the appeal of downlighters at all.

I hate the things - and the damn holes they leave in ceilings when you
want to replace them.

Post by Theo
I lived somewhere that had randomly scattered downlights in the kitchen
ceiling.  Problem was they hadn't fitted them over any of the worktops,
which meant that whenever you were standing at eg the sink you were casting
a deep shadow on what you were doing.  Just resorted to using the strip
lights under the cupboards (which were controlled by a handy switch next to
the door) and ignored the ceiling lights.
Also, I hate that you have to cut holes in the ceiling which bust your
insulation and fire protection.

Does anyone like them? Were they just another thing dreamed up by
designers without a thought given to their practicality?

Well they were a fashionable look back in the noughties. I have loads.

Kitchens and corridors and bathrooms only though.
I dislike them in rest areas.

After 20 years I haven't any strong feelings one way or another. They
allow focussed pools of brightness in work areas. But the one bathroom
that I fitted with a luminaire thing is just as well lit as the one
with three spotlight downlighters

In the end its all personal choice.

[Jeff Layman]

Post by The Natural Philosopher

Post by Jeff Layman

Post by Theo

Post by alan_m
Having fitted some downlighters myself may years ago and later got rid
of them I cannot see the appeal of downlighters at all.

I hate the things - and the damn holes they leave in ceilings when you
want to replace them.

Post by Theo
I lived somewhere that had randomly scattered downlights in the kitchen
ceiling.  Problem was they hadn't fitted them over any of the worktops,
which meant that whenever you were standing at eg the sink you were casting
a deep shadow on what you were doing.  Just resorted to using the strip
lights under the cupboards (which were controlled by a handy switch next to
the door) and ignored the ceiling lights.
Also, I hate that you have to cut holes in the ceiling which bust your
insulation and fire protection.

Does anyone like them? Were they just another thing dreamed up by
designers without a thought given to their practicality?

Well they were a fashionable look back in the noughties. I have loads.
Kitchens and corridors and bathrooms only though.
I dislike them in rest areas.
After 20 years I haven't any strong feelings one way or another. They
allow focussed pools of brightness in work areas. But the one bathroom
that I fitted with a luminaire thing is just as well lit as the one
with three spotlight downlighters
In the end its all personal choice.

I think that the key word in your reply is "fashionable"... ;-)

[The Natural Philosopher]

Post by The Natural Philosopher

Post by Jeff Layman

Post by Theo

Post by alan_m
Having fitted some downlighters myself may years ago and later got rid
of them I cannot see the appeal of downlighters at all.

I hate the things - and the damn holes they leave in ceilings when you
want to replace them.

Post by Theo
I lived somewhere that had randomly scattered downlights in the kitchen
ceiling.  Problem was they hadn't fitted them over any of the worktops,
which meant that whenever you were standing at eg the sink you were casting
a deep shadow on what you were doing.  Just resorted to using the strip
lights under the cupboards (which were controlled by a handy switch next to
the door) and ignored the ceiling lights.
Also, I hate that you have to cut holes in the ceiling which bust your
insulation and fire protection.

Does anyone like them? Were they just another thing dreamed up by
designers without a thought given to their practicality?

Well they were a fashionable look back in the noughties. I have loads.
Kitchens and corridors and bathrooms only though.
I dislike them in rest areas.
After 20 years I haven't any strong feelings one way or another. They
allow focussed pools of brightness in work areas. But the one bathroom
that I fitted with  a luminaire thing is just as well lit as the one
with three spotlight downlighters
In the end its all personal choice.

I think that the key word in your reply is "fashionable"...  ;-)

Well yes, but just because something is fashionable doesn't *guarantee*
it's utter crap.
Just makes it fairly likely.

A lot of spotlights evenly spread cam make a very even illumination.

If that is what you want.

A few well positioned can create useful pools of light in work areas.
But it does lend a slightly 'industrial' air to the rooms.

[alan_m]

Well yes, but just because something is fashionable doesn't  *guarantee*
it's utter crap.
Just makes it fairly likely.

What it does guarantee is that it will cost 4x more.

[The Natural Philosopher]

Post by alan_m

Post by The Natural Philosopher
Well yes, but just because something is fashionable doesn't
*guarantee* it's utter crap.
Just makes it fairly likely.

What it does guarantee is that it will cost 4x more.

I didn't find it that expensive. Certainly compared to 'artistic' uplighters

[alan_m]

Post by Theo
I lived somewhere that had randomly scattered downlights in the kitchen
ceiling.  Problem was they hadn't fitted them over any of the worktops,
which meant that whenever you were standing at eg the sink you were casting
a deep shadow on what you were doing.  Just resorted to using the strip
lights under the cupboards (which were controlled by a handy switch next to
the door) and ignored the ceiling lights.

Friends were renting a property where the kitchen had a beamed ceiling.
What the owners had done for low voltage lighting was to use halogen
bulbs that clipped onto two bare wires and where multiple lengths of
wire had been installed close to the ceiling between the beams. The
light output was s**te but to make matters worse the total rating of the
bulbs was around 350W for a relatively small area.

This was a house where fashion trumped reliability or common sense in
other areas.

[ARW]

Post by Jeff Layman
Does anyone like them? Were they just another thing dreamed up by
designers without a thought given to their practicality?

I dread to think how many of the fucking things I have fitted and so
many in inappropriate locations because the customer wanted them.

It has to be in the 10's of thousands I have fitted - maybe approaching
100,000 or more.

Christ it's only Tuesday night and I have first fixed for 22 downlights
in two different properties already this week.

One in on a vaulted ceiling and their soffits - they will look a right
cunt and could have been done so much better with hidden LED strips.

Still it pays for my bills so I'll keep fitting them.