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Easily released Cord knot tying round a recycle box
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john west
2021-01-11 22:00:28 UTC
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I have a number of Bamboo Plants planted in unwanted Council Recycle boxes.
After a while they are almost impossible to get out of the box, because
the roots have grown so compacted.
I intend sawing down one side of the box and folding it down so i can
just slide the plant out of the box.
To re-use the box again i need to tie a long cord around the box to keep
the cut side in its original upright position for the next plant to grow
in it.
Since good Tying Cord is expensive does anyone know of a good 'Gripping'
Knot that i can easily 'release' at a later date without having to cut
the cord?
I have tried some knots, but they are working out well. Thanks.
Fred
2021-01-11 22:48:01 UTC
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Post by john west
I have a number of Bamboo Plants planted in unwanted Council Recycle boxes.
After a while they are almost impossible to get out of the box, because
the roots have grown so compacted.
I intend sawing down one side of the box and folding it down so i can just
slide the plant out of the box.
To re-use the box again i need to tie a long cord around the box to keep
the cut side in its original upright position for the next plant to grow
in it.
Since good Tying Cord is expensive does anyone know of a good 'Gripping'
Knot that i can easily 'release' at a later date without having to cut the
cord?
Yep, the truckers hitch.
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I have tried some knots, but they are working out well. Thanks.
Peeler
2021-01-11 23:03:30 UTC
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F Murtz
2021-01-12 05:26:38 UTC
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Post by john west
I have a number of Bamboo Plants planted in unwanted Council Recycle boxes.
After a while they are almost impossible to get out of the box, because
the roots have grown so compacted.
I intend sawing down one side of the box and folding it down so i can
just slide the plant out of the box.
To re-use the box again i need to tie a long cord around the box to keep
the cut side in its original upright position for the next plant to grow
in it.
Since good Tying Cord is expensive does anyone know of a good 'Gripping'
Knot that i can easily 'release' at a later date without having to cut
the cord?
I have tried some knots, but they are working out well.     Thanks.
stop with the worrying rope is cheap.
alan_m
2021-01-12 12:24:34 UTC
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Post by john west
I have a number of Bamboo Plants planted in unwanted Council Recycle boxes.
After a while they are almost impossible to get out of the box,
because the roots have grown so compacted.
I intend sawing down one side of the box and folding it down so i can
just slide the plant out of the box.
To re-use the box again i need to tie a long cord around the box to
keep the cut side in its original upright position for the next plant
to grow in it.
Since good Tying Cord is expensive does anyone know of a good
'Gripping' Knot that i can easily 'release' at a later date without
having to cut the cord?
I have tried some knots, but they are working out well.     Thanks.
stop with the worrying rope is cheap.
Waterproof duct tape will also work.
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Brian Gaff (Sofa)
2021-01-12 09:00:47 UTC
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Sounds like you need to do a proper conversion, but this would need hinges
and strong catches mounted on the plastic.
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Post by john west
I have a number of Bamboo Plants planted in unwanted Council Recycle boxes.
After a while they are almost impossible to get out of the box, because
the roots have grown so compacted.
I intend sawing down one side of the box and folding it down so i can just
slide the plant out of the box.
To re-use the box again i need to tie a long cord around the box to keep
the cut side in its original upright position for the next plant to grow
in it.
Since good Tying Cord is expensive does anyone know of a good 'Gripping'
Knot that i can easily 'release' at a later date without having to cut the
cord?
I have tried some knots, but they are working out well. Thanks.
Nick Maclaren
2021-01-12 11:35:30 UTC
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Since good Tying Cord is expensive does anyone know of a good 'Gripping'
Knot that i can easily 'release' at a later date without having to cut
the cord?
The best knot for that is the reef knot, which you can tie tightly
on a corner and move. Alternatively, use a surgeon's knot, followed
by an extra thumb knot, making the top half into a reef knot. The
securest one is the constrictor knot, but that is a b*gg*r to undo.
I use all of those and more.


Regards,
Nick Maclaren.
Rod Speed
2021-01-12 16:37:27 UTC
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Post by john west
Since good Tying Cord is expensive does anyone know of a good 'Gripping'
Knot that i can easily 'release' at a later date without having to cut
the cord?
The best knot for that is the reef knot, which you can tie tightly
on a corner and move. Alternatively, use a surgeon's knot, followed
by an extra thumb knot, making the top half into a reef knot. The
securest one is the constrictor knot, but that is a b*gg*r to undo.
I use all of those and more.
Truckers hitch works much better and surprise surprise,
being quick and easy to apply and remove is the reason
truckers use it.
Peeler
2021-01-12 17:34:14 UTC
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Nick Maclaren
2021-01-12 19:49:17 UTC
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Post by john west
Since good Tying Cord is expensive does anyone know of a good 'Gripping'
Knot that i can easily 'release' at a later date without having to cut
the cord?
The best knot for that is the reef knot, which you can tie tightly
on a corner and move. Alternatively, use a surgeon's knot, followed
by an extra thumb knot, making the top half into a reef knot. The
securest one is the constrictor knot, but that is a b*gg*r to undo.
I use all of those and more.
Truckers hitch works much better and surprise surprise,
being quick and easy to apply and remove is the reason
truckers use it.
Not in my experience, though I use a very similar one when relevant,
using a bowline rather than a loop knot, because that is less prone
to jamming. The problem with all such hitches are that they are very
bulky and catch on things - truckers use them because they are easy
to haul taut, but you can get the knots I mentioned adequately taut
for this purpose with experience.


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Nick Maclaren.
Rod Speed
2021-01-12 20:03:36 UTC
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Post by john west
Since good Tying Cord is expensive does anyone know of a good 'Gripping'
Knot that i can easily 'release' at a later date without having to cut
the cord?
The best knot for that is the reef knot, which you can tie tightly
on a corner and move. Alternatively, use a surgeon's knot, followed
by an extra thumb knot, making the top half into a reef knot. The
securest one is the constrictor knot, but that is a b*gg*r to undo.
I use all of those and more.
Truckers hitch works much better and surprise surprise,
being quick and easy to apply and remove is the reason
truckers use it.
Not in my experience,
Then you arent doing it right.
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though I use a very similar one when relevant, using a bowline
rather than a loop knot, because that is less prone to jamming.
Truckers hitch done right doesn’t ever jam.
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The problem with all such hitches are that they
are very bulky and catch on things - truckers
use them because they are easy to haul taut,
And even easier to undo.
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but you can get the knots I mentioned adequately
taut for this purpose with experience.
But arent as easy to undo.
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2021-01-12 20:40:57 UTC
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wasbit
2021-01-13 10:02:00 UTC
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Post by john west
I have a number of Bamboo Plants planted in unwanted Council Recycle boxes.
After a while they are almost impossible to get out of the box, because
the roots have grown so compacted.
I intend sawing down one side of the box and folding it down so i can just
slide the plant out of the box.
To re-use the box again i need to tie a long cord around the box to keep
the cut side in its original upright position for the next plant to grow
in it.
Since good Tying Cord is expensive does anyone know of a good 'Gripping'
Knot that i can easily 'release' at a later date without having to cut the
cord?
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Post by john west
Since good Tying Cord is expensive does anyone know of a good 'Gripping'
Knot that i can easily 'release' at a later date without having to cut
the cord?
The best knot for that is the reef knot, which you can tie tightly
on a corner and move. Alternatively, use a surgeon's knot, followed
by an extra thumb knot, making the top half into a reef knot. The
securest one is the constrictor knot, but that is a b*gg*r to undo.
I use all of those and more.
Truckers hitch works much better and surprise surprise,
being quick and easy to apply and remove is the reason
truckers use it.
Perhaps you could explain, or even better show an example, so that we are
talking about the same thing.

I was taught the truckers hitch 50 years ago & it needs an anchor point at
both ends.
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Rod Speed
2021-01-13 19:17:32 UTC
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Post by john west
I have a number of Bamboo Plants planted in unwanted Council Recycle boxes.
After a while they are almost impossible to get out of the box, because
the roots have grown so compacted.
I intend sawing down one side of the box and folding it down so i can
just slide the plant out of the box.
To re-use the box again i need to tie a long cord around the box to keep
the cut side in its original upright position for the next plant to grow
in it.
Since good Tying Cord is expensive does anyone know of a good 'Gripping'
Knot that i can easily 'release' at a later date without having to cut
the cord?
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Post by john west
Since good Tying Cord is expensive does anyone know of a good 'Gripping'
Knot that i can easily 'release' at a later date without having to cut
the cord?
The best knot for that is the reef knot, which you can tie tightly
on a corner and move. Alternatively, use a surgeon's knot, followed
by an extra thumb knot, making the top half into a reef knot. The
securest one is the constrictor knot, but that is a b*gg*r to undo.
I use all of those and more.
Truckers hitch works much better and surprise surprise,
being quick and easy to apply and remove is the reason
truckers use it.
Perhaps you could explain, or even better show an example, so that we are
talking about the same thing.
I couldn’t find a good example last time I tried.
particularly with how the internal 'pulley' is done.
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I was taught the truckers hitch 50 years ago
I was too.
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& it needs an anchor point at both ends.
Nothing to stop you joining both ends in your situation.
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2021-01-13 19:33:38 UTC
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Adrian Caspersz
2021-01-12 11:39:14 UTC
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Post by john west
Since good Tying Cord is expensive does anyone know of a good 'Gripping'
Knot that i can easily 'release' at a later date without having to cut
the cord?
I have tried some knots, but they are working out well.     Thanks.
Gaffer tape?
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2021-01-12 12:38:27 UTC
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Post by john west
I have a number of Bamboo Plants planted in unwanted Council Recycle boxes.
After a while they are almost impossible to get out of the box, because
the roots have grown so compacted.
I intend sawing down one side of the box and folding it down so i can
just slide the plant out of the box.
To re-use the box again i need to tie a long cord around the box to keep
the cut side in its original upright position for the next plant to grow
in it.
Since good Tying Cord is expensive does anyone know of a good 'Gripping'
Knot that i can easily 'release' at a later date without having to cut
the cord?
I have tried some knots, but they are working out well.     Thanks.
Isn't growing bamboo only a shade less risky than growing Japanese Knot
Weed? Surely, if the roots are safely enclosed in a plastic tab, that's
a very good thing?

Anyway, the boxes are tapered, so tie a loop round tightly with a good
solid knot, then slide the loop off the taper to open it.
Nick Maclaren
2021-01-12 14:22:45 UTC
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Isn't growing bamboo only a shade less risky than growing Japanese Knot
Weed? Surely, if the roots are safely enclosed in a plastic tab, that's
a very good thing?
Yes, or no, or maybe (to choice). SOME bamboos are invasive, but
others are not.


Regards,
Nick Maclaren.
Jeff Layman
2021-01-12 15:08:05 UTC
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Post by GB
Isn't growing bamboo only a shade less risky than growing Japanese Knot
Weed? Surely, if the roots are safely enclosed in a plastic tab, that's
a very good thing?
Yes, or no, or maybe (to choice). SOME bamboos are invasive, but
others are not.
Indeed. See "Types of bamboo" here;
<https://www.rhs.org.uk/advice/profile?PID=79>

I grow Phyllostachys nigra ("Black" bamboo), and it's taken 7 years to
double its clump-size. It hasn't spread.

Being a grass, bamboo can be killed by repeated application of glyphosate.
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alan_m
2021-01-17 20:56:15 UTC
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I grow Phyllostachys nigra ("Black" bamboo), and it's taken 7 years to
double its clump-size. It hasn't spread.
Same here in more than decade it hasn't really spread. Its' got a lot
thicker in the middle of the clump but hasn't spread by more than a 6
inches in any direction at ground level. Now some shots are coming out
at 45 degrees rather than vertical. I cut off shoots that don't end up
reaching to the sky. For most of the time it also stayed at around 5 to
6 feet but now some shoots are up at 10 feet, again not a problem
because they are thin and airy - think tall grass rather than tree.
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2021-01-12 14:17:13 UTC
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Post by john west
I have a number of Bamboo Plants planted in unwanted Council Recycle boxes.
After a while they are almost impossible to get out of the box, because
the roots have grown so compacted.
I intend sawing down one side of the box and folding it down so i can
just slide the plant out of the box.
To re-use the box again i need to tie a long cord around the box to keep
the cut side in its original upright position for the next plant to grow
in it.
Since good Tying Cord is expensive does anyone know of a good 'Gripping'
Knot that i can easily 'release' at a later date without having to cut
the cord?
I have tried some knots, but they are working out well. Thanks.
A fishermans knot . You wind one end several times around the other and then pass it through the bottom. You push on the turns to tighten and pull on them to loosen. See:
https://www.dummies.com/sports/fishing/tying-the-fishermans-knot/

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jkn
2021-01-13 10:53:01 UTC
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Post by john west
I have a number of Bamboo Plants planted in unwanted Council Recycle boxes.
After a while they are almost impossible to get out of the box, because
the roots have grown so compacted.
I intend sawing down one side of the box and folding it down so i can
just slide the plant out of the box.
To re-use the box again i need to tie a long cord around the box to keep
the cut side in its original upright position for the next plant to grow
in it.
Since good Tying Cord is expensive does anyone know of a good 'Gripping'
Knot that i can easily 'release' at a later date without having to cut
the cord?
I have tried some knots, but they are working out well. Thanks.
What's that arrangement called where you have *two* cord loops,
and then twist them together by varying amounts according to the
desired tension, using a stick between the two, which you rotate?

Spanish Windlass?
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