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OT: Happy 'World Milk Day'. (Not if you are a dairy cow of course).
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T i m
2021-06-01 10:42:59 UTC
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For those who don't realise just how much death is associated with the
dairy industry (I'm looking at the likes of you Commander Kinsey <g>),
here is a little video (graphic, so not suitable for anyone who
doesn't want to face the truth) showing the end of a very short life
for a pair of calves born into the dairy industry that are being
killed so that we can consume the milk meant for them (after we have
weaned, from a different species ...)

'65,000 male calves under a month old were killed in slaughterhouses
in 2020 in the UK' (plus those killed on farms).

<https://www.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=1806286909533965&id=389132994582704&scmts=scwspsdd>

Cheers, T i m
Spike
2021-06-01 10:45:51 UTC
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For those who don't realise...
And so the cycle begins again.

Get help, you need it.
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jon
2021-06-01 10:51:14 UTC
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Post by T i m
For those who don't realise just how much death is associated with the
dairy industry (I'm looking at the likes of you Commander Kinsey <g>),
here is a little video (graphic, so not suitable for anyone who doesn't
want to face the truth) showing the end of a very short life for a pair
of calves born into the dairy industry that are being killed so that we
can consume the milk meant for them (after we have weaned, from a
different species ...)
'65,000 male calves under a month old were killed in slaughterhouses in
2020 in the UK' (plus those killed on farms).
<https://www.facebook.com/story.php?
story_fbid=1806286909533965&id=389132994582704&scmts=scwspsdd>
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Cheers, T i m
....or a woman (not trans)
T i m
2021-06-01 12:24:12 UTC
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Post by T i m
For those who don't realise just how much death is associated with the
dairy industry (I'm looking at the likes of you Commander Kinsey <g>),
here is a little video (graphic, so not suitable for anyone who doesn't
want to face the truth) showing the end of a very short life for a pair
of calves born into the dairy industry that are being killed so that we
can consume the milk meant for them (after we have weaned, from a
different species ...)
'65,000 male calves under a month old were killed in slaughterhouses in
2020 in the UK' (plus those killed on farms).
<https://www.facebook.com/story.php?
story_fbid=1806286909533965&id=389132994582704&scmts=scwspsdd>
....or a woman (not trans)
Quite!

It's actually quite sad how so many are completely ignorant of what
has to go on for us to be able to take the milk away from the young of
a different species, even thinking us 'milking cows' (/goats etc) is
something that has to be done 'anyway' and so we are doing them a
favour!

https://ibb.co/K63H7Rs
https://ibb.co/VDR6Mny
https://ibb.co/d7M0czM

Cheers, T i m
#Paul
2021-06-01 16:29:06 UTC
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Post by T i m
It's actually quite sad how so many are completely ignorant
of what has to go on for us to be able to take the milk away
from the young of a different species, even thinking us 'milking
cows' (/goats etc) is something that has to be done 'anyway' and
so we are doing them a favour!
We might arguably not be doing "cows" as some sort of species-group
any favours, but the individual dairy-herd cows - yes, we are
doing them a favour by milking them. As I understand it, they
have been bred to produce so much milk that *not* milking them
regularly would have significant negative consequences.

#Paul
T i m
2021-06-01 20:26:15 UTC
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On Tue, 01 Jun 2021 17:29:06 +0100,
Post by #Paul
Post by T i m
It's actually quite sad how so many are completely ignorant
of what has to go on for us to be able to take the milk away
from the young of a different species, even thinking us 'milking
cows' (/goats etc) is something that has to be done 'anyway' and
so we are doing them a favour!
We might arguably not be doing "cows" as some sort of species-group
any favours,
Quite, given they wouldn't actually exist in such a mutated state if
it weren't for out intrusion. Why would they?
Post by #Paul
but the individual dairy-herd cows - yes, we are
doing them a favour by milking them.
Only because we artificially inseminate them then take their calves
away and kill them?
Post by #Paul
As I understand it, they
have been bred to produce so much milk that *not* milking them
regularly would have significant negative consequences.
Quite, Darwin would have a plan for them (in nature) wouldn't he?

You are admitting the only way they could survive is by our continuing
to exploit them (so we should)?

https://ibb.co/6JJBp8z ;-)

Cheers, T i m
Fredxx
2021-06-02 02:00:57 UTC
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Post by T i m
On Tue, 01 Jun 2021 17:29:06 +0100,
Post by #Paul
Post by T i m
It's actually quite sad how so many are completely ignorant
of what has to go on for us to be able to take the milk away
from the young of a different species, even thinking us 'milking
cows' (/goats etc) is something that has to be done 'anyway' and
so we are doing them a favour!
We might arguably not be doing "cows" as some sort of species-group
any favours,
Quite, given they wouldn't actually exist in such a mutated state if
it weren't for out intrusion. Why would they?
Hardly mutated, or do you know something about GM cows?
Post by T i m
Post by #Paul
but the individual dairy-herd cows - yes, we are
doing them a favour by milking them.
Only because we artificially inseminate them then take their calves
away and kill them?
Yes, that's right. Meat products assist a child's development. Veganism
leads to mental health issues and fanaticism.
Spike
2021-06-02 08:07:52 UTC
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Post by T i m
Quite, given they wouldn't actually exist in such a mutated state if
it weren't for out intrusion. Why would they?
Darwin called it 'Natural Selection', and since then we've learned how
to give it a helping hand.
Post by T i m
You are admitting the only way they could survive is by our continuing
to exploit them (so we should)?
That's what comes from being at the top of the food chain, and the
benefits of better brain power as a result of eating meat. Just look
what happens to new recruits to religious cults - they are put on a
'cleansing diet' that just happens to have no meat in it, resulting in
them having reduced mental capacity and therefore easier to manipulate
psychologically. I doubt you'd see any parallels with evangelical veganism.
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Rod Speed
2021-06-02 10:04:16 UTC
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Post by T i m
Quite, given they wouldn't actually exist in such a mutated state if
it weren't for out intrusion. Why would they?
Darwin called it 'Natural Selection',
Yes.
Post by Spike
and since then we've learned how to give it a helping hand.
We did that long before Chaz showed up.
Post by Spike
Post by T i m
You are admitting the only way they could survive
is by our continuing to exploit them (so we should)?
That's what comes from being at the top of the food chain, and
the benefits of better brain power as a result of eating meat.
Just look what happens to new recruits to religious cults - they are
put on a 'cleansing diet' that just happens to have no meat in it,
Don’t believe that with the roman catholics or even the anglicans.
Post by Spike
resulting in them having reduced mental capacity and
therefore easier to manipulate psychologically. I doubt
you'd see any parallels with evangelical veganism.
Peeler
2021-06-02 11:50:05 UTC
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On Wed, 2 Jun 2021 20:04:16 +1000, cantankerous trolling geezer Rodent
Post by Spike
Darwin called it 'Natural Selection',
Yes.
Senile idiotic sociopath! Believes people need to be confirmed by him when
they are right and he finds no way to auto-contradict! You STILL wonder you
got NOBODY in RL to talk to, senile pest?
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2021-06-01 11:23:56 UTC
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Post by T i m
For those who don't realise just how much death is associated with the
dairy industry (I'm looking at the likes of you Commander Kinsey <g>),
here is a little video (graphic, so not suitable for anyone who
doesn't want to face the truth) showing the end of a very short life
for a pair of calves born into the dairy industry that are being
killed so that we can consume the milk meant for them (after we have
weaned, from a different species ...)
'65,000 male calves under a month old were killed in slaughterhouses
in 2020 in the UK' (plus those killed on farms).
<https://www.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=1806286909533965&id=389132994582704&scmts=scwspsdd>
Cheers, T i m
love creamy wonk
Brian Gaff (Sofa)
2021-06-01 12:32:10 UTC
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And this is news is it?
Of course we know but while the world likes veal etc it will go on. In fact
if we wanted to we could use artificial hormones to make Cows express milk,
but i myself do not eat Veal, the French do though.
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Post by T i m
For those who don't realise just how much death is associated with the
dairy industry (I'm looking at the likes of you Commander Kinsey <g>),
here is a little video (graphic, so not suitable for anyone who
doesn't want to face the truth) showing the end of a very short life
for a pair of calves born into the dairy industry that are being
killed so that we can consume the milk meant for them (after we have
weaned, from a different species ...)
'65,000 male calves under a month old were killed in slaughterhouses
in 2020 in the UK' (plus those killed on farms).
<https://www.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=1806286909533965&id=389132994582704&scmts=scwspsdd>
Cheers, T i m
Harry Bloomfield, Esq.
2021-06-01 16:49:55 UTC
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Post by Brian Gaff (Sofa)
Of course we know but while the world likes veal etc it will go on. In fact
if we wanted to we could use artificial hormones to make Cows express milk,
but i myself do not eat Veal, the French do though.
Brian
French, Germans and Italians for certain, probably the Spanish too.
T i m
2021-06-01 20:31:46 UTC
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On Tue, 1 Jun 2021 13:32:10 +0100, "Brian Gaff \(Sofa\)"
Post by Brian Gaff (Sofa)
And this is news is it?
To many, of course.
Post by Brian Gaff (Sofa)
Of course we know but while the world likes veal etc it will go on.
Not with the right education. Many people have done many things
considered 'acceptable' then that are no longer acceptable today and
especially re the treatment of animals.
Post by Brian Gaff (Sofa)
In fact
if we wanted to we could use artificial hormones to make Cows express milk,
And reap the benefits in further worsening help issues.
Post by Brian Gaff (Sofa)
but i myself do not eat Veal,
I never have either, nor 'escargot'.
Post by Brian Gaff (Sofa)
the French do though.
Not everone who is French doesn't, especially all the French vegans.

Cheers, T i m
Fredxx
2021-06-02 02:00:49 UTC
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Post by T i m
On Tue, 1 Jun 2021 13:32:10 +0100, "Brian Gaff \(Sofa\)"
Post by Brian Gaff (Sofa)
And this is news is it?
To many, of course.
Post by Brian Gaff (Sofa)
Of course we know but while the world likes veal etc it will go on.
Not with the right education. Many people have done many things
considered 'acceptable' then that are no longer acceptable today and
especially re the treatment of animals.
The right education is that we have evolved to consume milk, that meat
and meat products feature in a natural balanced diet, and vegan diets
are known to have serious consequences on mental health and a child's
brain development.
Post by T i m
Post by Brian Gaff (Sofa)
In fact
if we wanted to we could use artificial hormones to make Cows express milk,
And reap the benefits in further worsening help issues.
You need a lot of help. I recommend seeing your GP ASAP.
Post by T i m
Post by Brian Gaff (Sofa)
but i myself do not eat Veal,
I never have either, nor 'escargot'.
Post by Brian Gaff (Sofa)
the French do though.
Not everone who is French doesn't, especially all the French vegans.
99% of the French population are not vegans.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vegetarianism_by_country
NY
2021-06-01 12:44:41 UTC
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Tim

I've got a great idea. I'll carry on eating meat and drinking milk because I
put humans' needs/desires before animals'. You carry on not doing so, for
very valid ethical reasons (even if I disagree with them).

And let's neither of us try to foist our opinions on the other.
Post by T i m
For those who don't realise just how much death is associated with the
dairy industry (I'm looking at the likes of you Commander Kinsey <g>),
here is a little video (graphic, so not suitable for anyone who
doesn't want to face the truth) showing the end of a very short life
for a pair of calves born into the dairy industry that are being
killed so that we can consume the milk meant for them (after we have
weaned, from a different species ...)
'65,000 male calves under a month old were killed in slaughterhouses
in 2020 in the UK' (plus those killed on farms).
<https://www.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=1806286909533965&id=389132994582704&scmts=scwspsdd>
Cheers, T i m
Dave Plowman (News)
2021-06-01 12:59:59 UTC
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Tim
I've got a great idea. I'll carry on eating meat and drinking milk because I
put humans' needs/desires before animals'. You carry on not doing so, for
very valid ethical reasons (even if I disagree with them).
And let's neither of us try to foist our opinions on the other.
I think Timmy also needs to talk to a few leopards, etc, if he wants the
young of all species preserved.

Animals using another species for their own selfish needs is rife in
nature.
Post by NY
Post by T i m
For those who don't realise just how much death is associated with the
dairy industry (I'm looking at the likes of you Commander Kinsey <g>),
here is a little video (graphic, so not suitable for anyone who
doesn't want to face the truth) showing the end of a very short life
for a pair of calves born into the dairy industry that are being
killed so that we can consume the milk meant for them (after we have
weaned, from a different species ...)
'65,000 male calves under a month old were killed in slaughterhouses
in 2020 in the UK' (plus those killed on farms).
<https://www.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=1806286909533965&id=389132994582704&scmts=scwspsdd>
Cheers, T i m
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Commander Kinsey
2021-06-01 17:18:50 UTC
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Tim
I've got a great idea. I'll carry on eating meat and drinking milk because I
put humans' needs/desires before animals'. You carry on not doing so, for
very valid ethical reasons (even if I disagree with them).
And let's neither of us try to foist our opinions on the other.
I think Timmy also needs to talk to a few leopards, etc, if he wants the
young of all species preserved.
Animals using another species for their own selfish needs is rife in
nature.
Just because someone else does something bad doesn't mean you should too.
T i m
2021-06-01 21:09:48 UTC
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On Tue, 01 Jun 2021 13:59:59 +0100, "Dave Plowman (News)"
Post by Dave Plowman (News)
Post by NY
Tim
I've got a great idea. I'll carry on eating meat and drinking milk because I
put humans' needs/desires before animals'. You carry on not doing so, for
very valid ethical reasons (even if I disagree with them).
And let's neither of us try to foist our opinions on the other.
I think Timmy also needs to talk to a few leopards, etc, if he wants the
young of all species preserved.
Oh please. Dave, look up 'livestock' and 'wild animals' and see if you
can spot any differences (oh, and where have I even mentioned anything
close to expecting 'the young of all species to be preserved')?
Post by Dave Plowman (News)
Animals using another species for their own selfish needs is rife in
nature.
Ah, so you are setting your moral standards to be the same as that of
a wild animal that often has no choice? That opens up all sorts of
possibilities for you then doesn't but just check first how many are
illegal. ;-(

And good luck on your 'natural hunt' with your 5mm canine teeth and
digestive system that can't easily process raw meat (like a leopard
has to as an obligate carnivore).

Cheers, T i m
Fredxx
2021-06-02 02:00:11 UTC
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On Tue, 01 Jun 2021 13:59:59 +0100, "Dave Plowman (News)"
Post by Dave Plowman (News)
Post by NY
Tim
I've got a great idea. I'll carry on eating meat and drinking milk because I
put humans' needs/desires before animals'. You carry on not doing so, for
very valid ethical reasons (even if I disagree with them).
And let's neither of us try to foist our opinions on the other.
I think Timmy also needs to talk to a few leopards, etc, if he wants the
young of all species preserved.
Oh please. Dave, look up 'livestock' and 'wild animals' and see if you
can spot any differences (oh, and where have I even mentioned anything
close to expecting 'the young of all species to be preserved')?
Livestock seem to have an easy life in comparison with wild animals.
Post by T i m
Post by Dave Plowman (News)
Animals using another species for their own selfish needs is rife in
nature.
Ah, so you are setting your moral standards to be the same as that of
a wild animal that often has no choice? That opens up all sorts of
possibilities for you then doesn't but just check first how many are
illegal. ;-(
We are an animal, with dietary need that include meat products. Now if
we had 3 stomachs then we could chew on grass for 24/7.......
Post by T i m
And good luck on your 'natural hunt' with your 5mm canine teeth and
digestive system that can't easily process raw meat (like a leopard
has to as an obligate carnivore).
That is why we have developed cooking skills.
Spike
2021-06-02 08:08:32 UTC
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Post by Fredxx
We are an animal, with dietary need that include meat products. Now if
we had 3 stomachs then we could chew on grass for 24/7.......
Post by T i m
And good luck on your 'natural hunt' with your 5mm canine teeth and
digestive system that can't easily process raw meat (like a leopard
has to as an obligate carnivore).
That is why we have developed cooking skills.
I think T i m is forgetting, in his rush to condemn, just how often he
virtue-signals his love of vegetable matter that has been highly
processed (at a cost to the environment and what he believes is 'global
warming') to look like, smell like, cook like, and taste like the very
things he condemns others for eating, in his anti-meat-eating crusade
thinly disguised as family-initiated 'veganism'. Note also that T i m
doesn't live on a diet of raw vegetables and fruit, in fact in his diet
there is a lot of processing both in the factory and at home.
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Commander Kinsey
2021-06-01 17:18:23 UTC
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So what's the difference between you and a racist? You think it's ok to murder someone because they're a different species?
Post by NY
Tim
I've got a great idea. I'll carry on eating meat and drinking milk because I
put humans' needs/desires before animals'. You carry on not doing so, for
very valid ethical reasons (even if I disagree with them).
And let's neither of us try to foist our opinions on the other.
Post by T i m
For those who don't realise just how much death is associated with the
dairy industry (I'm looking at the likes of you Commander Kinsey <g>),
here is a little video (graphic, so not suitable for anyone who
doesn't want to face the truth) showing the end of a very short life
for a pair of calves born into the dairy industry that are being
killed so that we can consume the milk meant for them (after we have
weaned, from a different species ...)
'65,000 male calves under a month old were killed in slaughterhouses
in 2020 in the UK' (plus those killed on farms).
<https://www.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=1806286909533965&id=389132994582704&scmts=scwspsdd>
Cheers, T i m
The Natural Philosopher
2021-06-01 18:48:52 UTC
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So what's the difference between you and a racist?  You think it's ok to
murder someone because they're a different species?
If they are a different species, its not murder
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Peeler
2021-06-01 19:14:22 UTC
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On Tue, 1 Jun 2021 19:48:52 +0100, The Natural Idiot, the notorious,
Post by The Natural Philosopher
So what's the difference between you and a racist?  You think it's ok to
murder someone because they're a different species?
If they are a different species, its not murder
What clinically insane and off topic sick shit is this now about, The
Natural Idiot?
Commander Kinsey
2021-06-03 18:22:22 UTC
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Post by Commander Kinsey
So what's the difference between you and a racist? You think it's ok to
murder someone because they're a different species?
If they are a different species, its not murder
Why draw the line there?
Rod Speed
2021-06-01 19:36:49 UTC
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Post by Commander Kinsey
So what's the difference between you and a racist?
Most racists don't eat the person they kill.

Lots of tribalists used to eat bits of the people they
killed tho, mostly the heart etc for some weird reason.
Post by Commander Kinsey
You think it's ok to murder someone because they're a different species?
Yep, I am a carnivore and am not stupid enough
to eat nothing but lettuce and cheese etc.

And I don't tell other what they should eat either.
Post by Commander Kinsey
Post by NY
Tim
I've got a great idea. I'll carry on eating meat and drinking milk because I
put humans' needs/desires before animals'. You carry on not doing so, for
very valid ethical reasons (even if I disagree with them).
And let's neither of us try to foist our opinions on the other.
Post by T i m
For those who don't realise just how much death is associated with the
dairy industry (I'm looking at the likes of you Commander Kinsey <g>),
here is a little video (graphic, so not suitable for anyone who
doesn't want to face the truth) showing the end of a very short life
for a pair of calves born into the dairy industry that are being
killed so that we can consume the milk meant for them (after we have
weaned, from a different species ...)
'65,000 male calves under a month old were killed in slaughterhouses
in 2020 in the UK' (plus those killed on farms).
<https://www.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=1806286909533965&id=389132994582704&scmts=scwspsdd>
Cheers, T i m
Peeler
2021-06-01 20:01:13 UTC
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On Wed, 2 Jun 2021 05:36:49 +1000, cantankerous trolling geezer Rodent
Speed, the auto-contradicting senile sociopath, blabbered, again:

<FLUSH the two subnormal sociopathic cretins' endless absolutely idiotic
blather>
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Birdbrain: "I have one head but 5 fingers."

Senile Rodent: "Obvious lie. You hairy legged cross dressers are so inbred
that you all have two heads."

Birdbrain: "You're the one that likes hairy legs remember?"

Senile Rodent: "The problem isnt the hairy legs, it's the gross inbreeding
that
produces two headed unemployables like you."

Birdbrain: "So why did you mention hairy legs?"

Senile Rodent: "Because that's what those who arent actually stupid enough
to shave their legs have."

Birdbrain: "You only have hairy legs if both of the following are true:
1) You're quite far back on the evolutionary scale.
2) You haven't learned what a razor is for."

Senile Rodent: "Only a terminal fuckwit or a woman shaves their legs."

Birdbrain: "There is literally zero point in having hair all over your
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Senile Rodent: "There is even less point in wasting your time changing what
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T i m
2021-06-01 21:16:48 UTC
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Post by Rod Speed
Yep, I am a carnivore
No you aren't. You are an omnivore that has learned to be able to
digest (some) meat after processing it with fire etc.

You of all people should understand how scurvy comes about!
Post by Rod Speed
and am not stupid enough
to eat nothing but lettuce and cheese etc.
Hardly a 'balanced diet' so well done for that. And the doctor could
well advise you against eating cheese but unlikely to suggest you stop
eating lettuce.
Post by Rod Speed
And I don't tell other what they should eat either.
You would if they were holding a knife at your dogs throat.

But it's not about what people should or shouldn't eat, it's about
what should be considered food to a supposedly advanced species in
2021.

Cheers, T i m
Fredxx
2021-06-02 01:59:42 UTC
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On Wed, 2 Jun 2021 05:36:49 +1000, "Rod Speed"
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Post by Rod Speed
Yep, I am a carnivore
No you aren't. You are an omnivore that has learned to be able to
digest (some) meat after processing it with fire etc.
You of all people should understand how scurvy comes about!
Quite, which goes to the importance of a natural balanced diet.>
Post by T i m
Post by Rod Speed
and am not stupid enough
to eat nothing but lettuce and cheese etc.
Hardly a 'balanced diet' so well done for that. And the doctor could
well advise you against eating cheese but unlikely to suggest you stop
eating lettuce.
Or may not.
Post by T i m
Post by Rod Speed
And I don't tell other what they should eat either.
You would if they were holding a knife at your dogs throat.
That is effectively what you do to your dogs, eat this or starve.
Post by T i m
But it's not about what people should or shouldn't eat, it's about
what should be considered food to a supposedly advanced species in
2021.
Yep, and advanced species evolved to eat meat and meat products as part
of a healthy, natural balanced diet.
Commander Kinsey
2021-06-04 17:30:35 UTC
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Post by T i m
On Wed, 2 Jun 2021 05:36:49 +1000, "Rod Speed"
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Post by Rod Speed
Yep, I am a carnivore
No you aren't. You are an omnivore that has learned to be able to
digest (some) meat after processing it with fire etc.
You of all people should understand how scurvy comes about!
Quite, which goes to the importance of a natural balanced diet.>
Post by T i m
Post by Rod Speed
and am not stupid enough
to eat nothing but lettuce and cheese etc.
Hardly a 'balanced diet' so well done for that. And the doctor could
well advise you against eating cheese but unlikely to suggest you stop
eating lettuce.
Or may not.
Post by T i m
Post by Rod Speed
And I don't tell other what they should eat either.
You would if they were holding a knife at your dogs throat.
That is effectively what you do to your dogs, eat this or starve.
Post by T i m
But it's not about what people should or shouldn't eat, it's about
what should be considered food to a supposedly advanced species in
2021.
Yep, and advanced species evolved to eat meat and meat products as part
of a healthy, natural balanced diet.
An advanced species recognises other sentient beings and doesn't do anything to them that he wouldn't do to someone of his own species.
Peeler
2021-06-04 19:08:27 UTC
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On Fri, 4 Jun 2021 19:18:00 +0100, Fredxx, the notorious, troll-feeding,
If there was another animal that could understand the concept of
consent, then I might agree with you.
Most animals, even ones that appear sentient to you, are likely to be
acting on pure instinct.
We are more advanced that other species. However, some are parasites,
living off everyone else and contribute nothing to society.
Demented senile ASSHOLES! LOL
Peeler
2021-06-04 19:09:06 UTC
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On Sat, 5 Jun 2021 04:31:43 +1000, cantankerous trolling geezer Rodent
Speed, the auto-contradicting senile sociopath, blabbered, again:

<FLUSH the two subnormal sociopathic cretins' endless absolutely idiotic
blather>
--
Another typical retarded conversation between our two village idiots,
Birdbrain and Rodent Speed:

Birdbrain: "You beat me to it. Plain sex is boring."

Senile Rodent: "Then fuck the cats. That wont be boring."

Birdbrain: "Sell me a de-clawing tool first."

Senile Rodent: "Wont help with the teeth."

Birdbrain: "They've never gone for me with their mouths."

Rodent Speed: "They will if you are stupid enough to try fucking them."

Birdbrain: "No, they always use claws."

Rodent Speed: "They wont if you try fucking them. Try it and see."

Message-ID: <***@mid.individual.net>
Commander Kinsey
2021-06-05 17:55:05 UTC
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Post by Fredxx
Post by T i m
On Wed, 2 Jun 2021 05:36:49 +1000, "Rod Speed"
<snip>
Post by Rod Speed
Yep, I am a carnivore
No you aren't. You are an omnivore that has learned to be able to
digest (some) meat after processing it with fire etc.
You of all people should understand how scurvy comes about!
Quite, which goes to the importance of a natural balanced diet.>
Post by T i m
Post by Rod Speed
and am not stupid enough
to eat nothing but lettuce and cheese etc.
Hardly a 'balanced diet' so well done for that. And the doctor could
well advise you against eating cheese but unlikely to suggest you stop
eating lettuce.
Or may not.
Post by T i m
Post by Rod Speed
And I don't tell other what they should eat either.
You would if they were holding a knife at your dogs throat.
That is effectively what you do to your dogs, eat this or starve.
Post by T i m
But it's not about what people should or shouldn't eat, it's about
what should be considered food to a supposedly advanced species in
2021.
Yep, and advanced species evolved to eat meat and meat products as part
of a healthy, natural balanced diet.
An advanced species recognises other sentient beings and doesn't do
anything to them that he wouldn't do to someone of his own species.
If there was another animal that could understand the concept of
consent, then I might agree with you.
Most animals, even ones that appear sentient to you, are likely to be
acting on pure instinct.
We are more advanced that other species. However, some are parasites,
living off everyone else and contribute nothing to society.
We act on instinct too. If I punch you in the face, you will try to avoid it. If you feel hungry, you find food. It's all instincts, we just do what is required to make ourselves comfortable. And if you had any sense you would treat an animal that doesn't know how to solder a circuit board as just as important as you.
Commander Kinsey
2021-06-05 17:56:05 UTC
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Post by Fredxx
Post by T i m
On Wed, 2 Jun 2021 05:36:49 +1000, "Rod Speed"
<snip>
Post by Rod Speed
Yep, I am a carnivore
No you aren't. You are an omnivore that has learned to be able to
digest (some) meat after processing it with fire etc.
You of all people should understand how scurvy comes about!
Quite, which goes to the importance of a natural balanced diet.>
Post by T i m
Post by Rod Speed
and am not stupid enough
to eat nothing but lettuce and cheese etc.
Hardly a 'balanced diet' so well done for that. And the doctor could
well advise you against eating cheese but unlikely to suggest you stop
eating lettuce.
Or may not.
Post by T i m
Post by Rod Speed
And I don't tell other what they should eat either.
You would if they were holding a knife at your dogs throat.
That is effectively what you do to your dogs, eat this or starve.
Post by T i m
But it's not about what people should or shouldn't eat, it's about
what should be considered food to a supposedly advanced species in
2021.
Yep, and advanced species evolved to eat meat and meat products as part
of a healthy, natural balanced diet.
An advanced species recognises other sentient beings and doesn't do
anything to them that he wouldn't do to someone of his own species.
If there was another animal that could understand the concept of consent,
then I might agree with you.
Most animals, even ones that appear sentient to you, are likely to be acting
on pure instinct.
We are more advanced that other species. However, some are parasites, living
off everyone else and contribute nothing to society.
Well, there are cases of whales consenting to let humans untangle them
from nets. They may not understand consent from the other creature's
standpoint though. Some even seem to be thankful afterward.
I freed a couple of sheep with their heads jammed in a fence. They let me do it. They did not let the previous person do it. They somehow sensed I would be more careful.
T i m
2021-06-05 19:21:49 UTC
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On Sat, 05 Jun 2021 18:56:05 +0100, "Commander Kinsey"
<snip troll shit>
Post by Commander Kinsey
Well, there are cases of whales consenting to let humans untangle them
from nets. They may not understand consent from the other creature's
standpoint though. Some even seem to be thankful afterward.
I freed a couple of sheep with their heads jammed in a fence.
Probably one of DickHeadxx traps. It wasn't Spuke as he doesn't eat
sheep for some reason (or cows) but eats everything else apparently.
Post by Commander Kinsey
They let me do it. They did not let the previous person do it. They somehow sensed I would be more careful.
Animals do have a good sense of that ... many have a greater sense of
that than we do (given the range of senses they can use that we don't
even possess).

Like our dog is very fussy re who he will approach, let alone allow to
approach / pet him and it's a rare moment indeed when he will just
walk up to someone (a stranger) and indicate he wants to be friends.

When he does these people are generally calm, always dog owners /
lovers and understand that he will give them consent if he is happy /
wants attention.

Then there are people he sees regularly, have never done anything
aggressive towards us or him and yet he will still bark at them. In
most cases they aren't 'comfortable' around dogs and it's obvious he
can sense that.

It's probably down to the aroma they radiate (the smell of fear), if
dogs can detect the residue of Corona virus on someone's T-shirt, even
if worn by someone who doesn't have Covid, even as they walk past the
dog, who know what signals we give off unwittingly?

And for a smallish dog he's got a very loud bark and that has made
many people jump. ;-)

Cheers, T i m
Peeler
2021-06-05 19:45:16 UTC
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Post by T i m
Post by Commander Kinsey
I freed a couple of sheep with their heads jammed in a fence.
Probably one of DickHeadxx traps.
Nope, you idiotic senile sucker of troll cock! It was another idiotic bait
by the dumbest troll around! Will you senile idiots NEVER learn? <tsk>
Commander Kinsey
2021-06-06 17:55:04 UTC
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On Sat, 05 Jun 2021 18:56:05 +0100, "Commander Kinsey"
<snip troll shit>
Post by Commander Kinsey
Well, there are cases of whales consenting to let humans untangle them
from nets. They may not understand consent from the other creature's
standpoint though. Some even seem to be thankful afterward.
I freed a couple of sheep with their heads jammed in a fence.
Probably one of DickHeadxx traps. It wasn't Spuke as he doesn't eat
sheep for some reason (or cows) but eats everything else apparently.
Wasn't a trap, it was the fence supposed to be keeping them in.
Post by T i m
Post by Commander Kinsey
They let me do it. They did not let the previous person do it. They somehow sensed I would be more careful.
Animals do have a good sense of that ... many have a greater sense of
that than we do (given the range of senses they can use that we don't
even possess).
No dog is ever vicious with me, even when the owner has warned me I'll get my finger removed. I once cuddled a cat while waiting for someone to answer the door, the owner was shocked, she claimed even she had her face clawed if she tried that.
Post by T i m
Like our dog is very fussy re who he will approach, let alone allow to
approach / pet him and it's a rare moment indeed when he will just
walk up to someone (a stranger) and indicate he wants to be friends.
When he does these people are generally calm, always dog owners /
lovers and understand that he will give them consent if he is happy /
wants attention.
Then there are people he sees regularly, have never done anything
aggressive towards us or him and yet he will still bark at them. In
most cases they aren't 'comfortable' around dogs and it's obvious he
can sense that.
It's probably down to the aroma they radiate (the smell of fear), if
dogs can detect the residue of Corona virus on someone's T-shirt, even
if worn by someone who doesn't have Covid, even as they walk past the
dog, who know what signals we give off unwittingly?
And for a smallish dog he's got a very loud bark and that has made
many people jump. ;-)
I know one dog I can make very angry by staring at it. Quite funny as I can make it charge at the front door by looking through the window. The hallway is slippery (laminate), it never remembers this and collides with the door at high speed.
T i m
2021-06-06 20:02:04 UTC
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On Sun, 06 Jun 2021 18:55:04 +0100, "Commander Kinsey"
<***@nospam.com> wrote:

<snip>
Post by Commander Kinsey
Post by T i m
Post by Commander Kinsey
I freed a couple of sheep with their heads jammed in a fence.
Probably one of DickHeadxx traps. It wasn't Spuke as he doesn't eat
sheep for some reason (or cows) but eats everything else apparently.
Wasn't a trap, it was the fence supposed to be keeping them in.
I know <rolls eyes> ... ;-)
Post by Commander Kinsey
Post by T i m
Post by Commander Kinsey
They let me do it. They did not let the previous person do it. They somehow sensed I would be more careful.
Animals do have a good sense of that ... many have a greater sense of
that than we do (given the range of senses they can use that we don't
even possess).
No dog is ever vicious with me, even when the owner has warned me I'll get my finger removed.
I still might stay respectful and let the dog come to me etc.
Post by Commander Kinsey
I once cuddled a cat while waiting for someone to answer the door, the owner was shocked, she claimed even she had her face clawed if she tried that.
Yup, I seem to have a similar reaction. I was warned against putting
my fingers anywhere near the cage of sisters neighbours large parrot
when they were away and she was looking after it. I went with her to
feed it and she popped home to get something and when she came back it
had it's head up against the bars and I was stroking it. Apparently
it's beak was like 'bolt croppers' and it 'hated men'. ;-(
<snip>
Post by Commander Kinsey
Post by T i m
And for a smallish dog he's got a very loud bark and that has made
many people jump. ;-)
I know one dog I can make very angry by staring at it. Quite funny as I can make it charge at the front door by looking through the window. The hallway is slippery (laminate), it never remembers this and collides with the door at high speed.
They can forget themselves sometimes but I tend not to torment them
under any circumstances.

Cheers, T i m
Peeler
2021-06-06 20:55:55 UTC
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Post by T i m
I know <rolls eyes> ... ;-)
Does the unwashed wanker's cock taste THAT good to you, you notorious sucker
of troll cock?

<FLUSH the rest of your usual idiotic senile shit>
Commander Kinsey
2021-06-07 17:31:48 UTC
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On Sun, 06 Jun 2021 18:55:04 +0100, "Commander Kinsey"
<snip>
Post by Commander Kinsey
Post by T i m
Post by Commander Kinsey
I freed a couple of sheep with their heads jammed in a fence.
Probably one of DickHeadxx traps. It wasn't Spuke as he doesn't eat
sheep for some reason (or cows) but eats everything else apparently.
Wasn't a trap, it was the fence supposed to be keeping them in.
I know <rolls eyes> ... ;-)
Post by Commander Kinsey
Post by T i m
Post by Commander Kinsey
They let me do it. They did not let the previous person do it. They somehow sensed I would be more careful.
Animals do have a good sense of that ... many have a greater sense of
that than we do (given the range of senses they can use that we don't
even possess).
No dog is ever vicious with me, even when the owner has warned me I'll get my finger removed.
I still might stay respectful and let the dog come to me etc.
This happened a few years back. I went to post something through a woman's letterbox (they're on the front door for any backward Americans reading this). There was a closed gate and a sleeping large dog. I had to open the gate to get to the letterbox. The dog awoke and very quickly shot out of the garden and ran off out of sight. The woman ran out of the house swearing at me, chased the dog, and took several minutes to get it anywhere near the house, but it wouldn't go on the lead or in the garden. Still waiting in the garden, I crouched down and beckoned to the dog. It came over and played with me. She shut the gate, stared at me, then said, "That was very stupid!" "What?" "That dog is dangerous! Why did you come in my garden?" "You hid your front door behind the garden." "Get off my property!" "With or without the dog that hates you?" I opened the gate to leave and the dog tried to follow, almost knocking her down when she stopped it.
Post by T i m
Post by Commander Kinsey
I once cuddled a cat while waiting for someone to answer the door, the owner was shocked, she claimed even she had her face clawed if she tried that.
Yup, I seem to have a similar reaction. I was warned against putting
my fingers anywhere near the cage of sisters neighbours large parrot
when they were away and she was looking after it. I went with her to
feed it and she popped home to get something and when she came back it
had it's head up against the bars and I was stroking it. Apparently
it's beak was like 'bolt croppers' and it 'hated men'. ;-(
I had a macaw that was in love with an amazon (called Sky). If I tried to pick up Sky, the macaw would shout "No! Don't touch! Leave Sky alone!" Ignoring this warning was not advisable. It's cool how they learn the meaning of words from things I've said and put them together in a different order.
Post by T i m
Post by Commander Kinsey
Post by T i m
And for a smallish dog he's got a very loud bark and that has made
many people jump. ;-)
I know one dog I can make very angry by staring at it. Quite funny as I can make it charge at the front door by looking through the window. The hallway is slippery (laminate), it never remembers this and collides with the door at high speed.
They can forget themselves sometimes but I tend not to torment them
under any circumstances.
Teasing isn't tormenting.
T i m
2021-06-08 22:16:32 UTC
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On Mon, 07 Jun 2021 18:31:48 +0100, "Commander Kinsey"
<***@nospam.com> wrote:

<snip>
Post by Commander Kinsey
Post by T i m
I still might stay respectful and let the dog come to me etc.
This happened a few years back. I went to post something through a woman's letterbox (they're on the front door for any backward Americans reading this).
;-)
Post by Commander Kinsey
There was a closed gate and a sleeping large dog. I had to open the gate to get to the letterbox. The dog awoke and very quickly shot out of the garden and ran off out of sight. The woman ran out of the house swearing at me,
I sort of get that, especially if you saw the dog before opening the
gate?
Post by Commander Kinsey
chased the dog, and took several minutes to get it anywhere near the house, but it wouldn't go on the lead or in the garden. Still waiting in the garden, I crouched down and beckoned to the dog. It came over and played with me.
Like they do when you aren't threatening to the or even better, look
like fun.
Post by Commander Kinsey
She shut the gate, stared at me, then said, "That was very stupid!" "What?" "That dog is dangerous! Why did you come in my garden?" "You hid your front door behind the garden." "Get off my property!" "With or without the dog that hates you?" I opened the gate to leave and the dog tried to follow, almost knocking her down when she stopped it.
Hehe. And some people don't think animals can't give consent (or
assent or dissent). ;-)

Met a lady (again [1]) when walking to a mates with the Mrs earlier
who was waling / trainer her 18 month old golden lab. While we were
chatting I was playing ball with the dog and at one point he picked up
my Tilley hat and ran off with it. So I picked up his ball and he
dropped the hat. ;-)
<snip>
Post by Commander Kinsey
I had a macaw that was in love with an amazon (called Sky).
I really couldn't keep a bird and never have. Seems to be the ultimate
level of imprisonment to me, other than maybe racing pigeons (but
don't agree with those either etc). Of all creatures that deserve to
be free, birds are it.

I did rescue a Rock Dove that (after treatment by the vet) couldn't
fly so stayed in the garden in the roost I made him / her.

The whippets could typically get to any visiting cat before they could
get near the pigeon. ;-)
Post by Commander Kinsey
If I tried to pick up Sky, the macaw would shout "No! Don't touch! Leave Sky alone!"
And he was completely right of course, unless you left the window open
during the day for it to come and go as it pleased?
Post by Commander Kinsey
Ignoring this warning was not advisable.
;-)
Post by Commander Kinsey
It's cool how they learn the meaning of words from things I've said and put them together in a different order.
Most animals are 'cool' and all of them deserve to live as *they*
choose. Before the trolls jump in, the exception (or certainly the
last to do) is the *domesticated* dog as they have evolved to live
with and often rely on man and why they (not cat's or anything else)
are 'Mans best friend'.
<snip>
Post by Commander Kinsey
Post by T i m
They can forget themselves sometimes but I tend not to torment them
under any circumstances.
Teasing isn't tormenting.
It can be, depending how it's done.

I was talking to a young mum and her young daughter in the park the
other day and she admitted she was frightened of dogs (because ours
tends to greet most people who deem to look at him with a fairy loud
greeting). From further conversation (I like to learn the reasons
behind such fears if people are happy to chat) was because her dads
Doberman bit her on the face when she was young but she quickly added
'because I was teasing him'.

So that was a good example of the tormenting not being 'accepted' by
the dog (as fun / play) and it's dissent was indicated in a pretty
clear way.

Our (daughters) dog will now be very accepting of you say moving his
food bowl whilst he's eating or holding onto a chewie while he bites
bits off but if you try to go near something he's chewing and even
sneakily try to get it it's very clear (by how fast he turns his head
or moves away) he doesn't want to play (like you can stroke his head
or even his nose but if you move that stroking down towards his mouth
...). ;-)

This is very different to stopping him trying to swallow a cooked
chicken bone he finds on the street when I will happily put my fingers
in his mouth and get him to spit it out. When he does, I give him a
treat in exchange.

Cheers, T i m


[1] They (her and her partner) are cutting down on meat (and only have
meat / fish once a week) and cut out cows milk years ago because she
doesn't like the smell and how it comes about. They have a few
(ethical) vegan friends and have no issues sharing meals with any of
them.
Peeler
2021-06-08 22:31:53 UTC
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On Tue, 08 Jun 2021 23:16:32 +0100, D i m, the absolutely brain dead
notorious troll-feeding senile asshole, blathered, yet again:

<FLUSH the disgusting sick senile asshole's latest shit>

Just what kind of a disgusting SICK ASSHOLE are you, C R E T I N? <tsk>
Commander Kinsey
2021-06-09 17:53:35 UTC
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On Mon, 07 Jun 2021 18:31:48 +0100, "Commander Kinsey"
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Post by Commander Kinsey
Post by T i m
I still might stay respectful and let the dog come to me etc.
This happened a few years back. I went to post something through a woman's letterbox (they're on the front door for any backward Americans reading this).
;-)
Post by Commander Kinsey
There was a closed gate and a sleeping large dog. I had to open the gate to get to the letterbox. The dog awoke and very quickly shot out of the garden and ran off out of sight. The woman ran out of the house swearing at me,
I sort of get that, especially if you saw the dog before opening the
gate?
*sleeping* large dog.
Post by T i m
Post by Commander Kinsey
chased the dog, and took several minutes to get it anywhere near the house, but it wouldn't go on the lead or in the garden. Still waiting in the garden, I crouched down and beckoned to the dog. It came over and played with me.
Like they do when you aren't threatening to the or even better, look
like fun.
I wasn't the one that shut it in a small garden.
Post by T i m
Post by Commander Kinsey
She shut the gate, stared at me, then said, "That was very stupid!" "What?" "That dog is dangerous! Why did you come in my garden?" "You hid your front door behind the garden." "Get off my property!" "With or without the dog that hates you?" I opened the gate to leave and the dog tried to follow, almost knocking her down when she stopped it.
Hehe. And some people don't think animals can't give consent (or
assent or dissent). ;-)
Met a lady (again [1]) when walking to a mates with the Mrs earlier
who was waling / trainer her 18 month old golden lab. While we were
chatting I was playing ball with the dog and at one point he picked up
my Tilley hat and ran off with it. So I picked up his ball and he
dropped the hat. ;-)
Ah! Bribery!
Post by T i m
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Post by Commander Kinsey
I had a macaw that was in love with an amazon (called Sky).
I really couldn't keep a bird and never have. Seems to be the ultimate
level of imprisonment to me, other than maybe racing pigeons (but
don't agree with those either etc). Of all creatures that deserve to
be free, birds are it.
I don't like them in cages, I keep them in aviaries or loose in the house. At the moment, there are 6 greys and amazons (out of 8) who have chosen not to come out of the aviaries. The doors are open into the house, and only two regularly come out to explore.
Post by T i m
I did rescue a Rock Dove that (after treatment by the vet) couldn't
fly so stayed in the garden in the roost I made him / her.
The whippets could typically get to any visiting cat before they could
get near the pigeon. ;-)
Post by Commander Kinsey
If I tried to pick up Sky, the macaw would shout "No! Don't touch! Leave Sky alone!"
And he was completely right of course, unless you left the window open
during the day for it to come and go as it pleased?
They don't understand the dangers of hawks, other people, cars, etc.
T i m
2021-06-10 21:09:24 UTC
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Post by Commander Kinsey
Post by T i m
Post by Commander Kinsey
There was a closed gate and a sleeping large dog. I had to open the gate to get to the letterbox. The dog awoke and very quickly shot out of the garden and ran off out of sight. The woman ran out of the house swearing at me,
I sort of get that, especially if you saw the dog before opening the
gate?
*sleeping* large dog.
Yeahbut how many sleeping dogs have you sneaked up on? I can't move
without ours jumping up.
Post by Commander Kinsey
Post by T i m
Post by Commander Kinsey
chased the dog, and took several minutes to get it anywhere near the house, but it wouldn't go on the lead or in the garden. Still waiting in the garden, I crouched down and beckoned to the dog. It came over and played with me.
Like they do when you aren't threatening to the or even better, look
like fun.
I wasn't the one that shut it in a small garden.
Quite.
Post by Commander Kinsey
Post by T i m
Post by Commander Kinsey
She shut the gate, stared at me, then said, "That was very stupid!" "What?" "That dog is dangerous! Why did you come in my garden?" "You hid your front door behind the garden." "Get off my property!" "With or without the dog that hates you?" I opened the gate to leave and the dog tried to follow, almost knocking her down when she stopped it.
Hehe. And some people don't think animals can't give consent (or
assent or dissent). ;-)
Met a lady (again [1]) when walking to a mates with the Mrs earlier
who was waling / trainer her 18 month old golden lab. While we were
chatting I was playing ball with the dog and at one point he picked up
my Tilley hat and ran off with it. So I picked up his ball and he
dropped the hat. ;-)
Ah! Bribery!
Well, distraction at least. ;-)
Post by Commander Kinsey
Post by T i m
<snip>
Post by Commander Kinsey
I had a macaw that was in love with an amazon (called Sky).
I really couldn't keep a bird and never have. Seems to be the ultimate
level of imprisonment to me, other than maybe racing pigeons (but
don't agree with those either etc). Of all creatures that deserve to
be free, birds are it.
I don't like them in cages, I keep them in aviaries
Isn't that just a big(er) cage though?
Post by Commander Kinsey
or loose in the house.
Again, 'in', when most birds can fly hundreds (thousands?) of miles a
day? I did see a lady out walking the other day who had a small (live)
parrot of some sort on her head! Assuming it wasn't glued there (and
could fly), I'm guessing it was quite happy or it could have flown
away. On the other hand it might not have been confident in flying
away as it didn't have the support of a flock?
Post by Commander Kinsey
At the moment, there are 6 greys and amazons (out of 8) who have chosen not to come out of the aviaries. The doors are open into the house, and only two regularly come out to explore.
What about the doors to freedom?
Post by Commander Kinsey
Post by T i m
I did rescue a Rock Dove that (after treatment by the vet) couldn't
fly so stayed in the garden in the roost I made him / her.
The whippets could typically get to any visiting cat before they could
get near the pigeon. ;-)
Post by Commander Kinsey
If I tried to pick up Sky, the macaw would shout "No! Don't touch! Leave Sky alone!"
And he was completely right of course, unless you left the window open
during the day for it to come and go as it pleased?
They don't understand the dangers of hawks,
Well, possibly not, if they haven't evolved to be aware / avoid them
etc but that suggests they aren't in their natural habitat? Most
animals have an ingrained understanding of what might consider them
for dinner, except us of course with our traps and guns ...
Post by Commander Kinsey
other people, cars, etc.
I'm not sure many animals have fully evolved to deal with either yet,
except some birds possibly because of their mobility and fast reaction
times.

You still get them flying into lorries and windows when they don't
typically fly into cliffs and trees.

Cheers, T i m
Peeler
2021-06-10 22:00:36 UTC
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Post by T i m
Yeahbut how many sleeping dogs have you sneaked up on? I can't move
without ours jumping up.
Keep your sick senile idiotic blather out of newsgroups meant for humans
only, you senile bullshit artist!

Commander Kinsey
2021-06-05 17:57:19 UTC
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<snip>
Well, there are cases of whales consenting to let humans untangle them
from nets.
Of course there are, and loads of other animals 'trusting' humans when
they have had no prior negative contact with them and so reason to.
Trust is instinctive. There is usually some payback for the risk. By way
of example, a robin would frequently fly indoors at work during the
Winter months. The same doesn't happen in Summer.
They may not understand consent from the other creature's
standpoint though.
Again, they obviously do, otherwise millions of mating (assent)
rituals would all be in vein.
It's not obvious, well, maybe in your dreams.
Same with not giving consent (dissent) to attack / kill them with
animals desperately trying to escape the killing box in a
slaughterhouse or gas chambers.
Most animals grown for food are unlikely to understand the concept of
death, so consent is pointless.
Just how can you prove whether an animal knows what death is?

I once saw a video of a wild bird being upset at the death of it's mate.
T i m
2021-06-05 19:04:11 UTC
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Post by Commander Kinsey
Just how can you prove whether an animal knows what death is?
I once saw a video of a wild bird being upset at the death of it's mate.
Many species 'mourn' the death of their kind and will even go back to
the exact same spot year after year.

It's stupid trolls like ShitHeadxx who obviously don't have a clue
about the animal kingdom (which is surprising, considering they think
themselves a god) that then make such ridiculous statements like
'animals can't give consent' when it's patently obvious they can.

But if what he decides is 'acceptable' re how he treats another living
creature on it being able to give consent (or not able to give
consent, as his rule works) woah betide any baby or mentally
challenged person who is near him when he's hungry. ;-(

Cheers, T i m
Andrew
2021-06-05 19:17:15 UTC
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On Sat, 05 Jun 2021 18:57:19 +0100, "Commander Kinsey"
<snip stupid troll trolling>
Post by Commander Kinsey
Just how can you prove whether an animal knows what death is?
I once saw a video of a wild bird being upset at the death of it's mate.
Many species 'mourn' the death of their kind and will even go back to
the exact same spot year after year.
It's stupid trolls like ShitHeadxx who obviously don't have a clue
about the animal kingdom (which is surprising, considering they think
themselves a god) that then make such ridiculous statements like
'animals can't give consent' when it's patently obvious they can.
But if what he decides is 'acceptable' re how he treats another living
creature on it being able to give consent (or not able to give
consent, as his rule works) woah betide any baby or mentally
challenged person who is near him when he's hungry. ;-(
Cheers, T i m
Cows are given a reprieve (from causing global warming) -


https://www.zerohedge.com/technology/cargill-taps-startup-producing-smart-cow-masks-trap-methane-burps
Commander Kinsey
2021-06-06 17:52:00 UTC
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Post by T i m
On Sat, 05 Jun 2021 18:57:19 +0100, "Commander Kinsey"
<snip stupid troll trolling>
Post by Commander Kinsey
Just how can you prove whether an animal knows what death is?
I once saw a video of a wild bird being upset at the death of it's mate.
Many species 'mourn' the death of their kind and will even go back to
the exact same spot year after year.
It's stupid trolls like ShitHeadxx who obviously don't have a clue
about the animal kingdom (which is surprising, considering they think
themselves a god) that then make such ridiculous statements like
'animals can't give consent' when it's patently obvious they can.
But if what he decides is 'acceptable' re how he treats another living
creature on it being able to give consent (or not able to give
consent, as his rule works) woah betide any baby or mentally
challenged person who is near him when he's hungry. ;-(
Cheers, T i m
Cows are given a reprieve (from causing global warming) -
https://www.zerohedge.com/technology/cargill-taps-startup-producing-smart-cow-masks-trap-methane-burps
I thought it was common knowledge that cows are nowhere near the biggest producer of methane.
Fredxx
2021-06-06 18:38:05 UTC
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Post by T i m
On Sat, 05 Jun 2021 18:57:19 +0100, "Commander Kinsey"
<snip stupid troll trolling>
Post by Commander Kinsey
Just how can you prove whether an animal knows what death is?
I once saw a video of a wild bird being upset at the death of it's mate.
Many species 'mourn' the death of their kind and will even go back to
the exact same spot year after year.
It's stupid trolls like ShitHeadxx who obviously don't have a clue
about the animal kingdom (which is surprising, considering they think
themselves a god) that then make such ridiculous statements like
'animals can't give consent' when it's patently obvious they can.
But if what he decides is 'acceptable' re how he treats another living
creature on it being able to give consent (or not able to give
consent, as his rule works) woah betide any baby or mentally
challenged person who is near him when he's hungry. ;-(
Cheers, T i m
Cows are given a reprieve (from causing global warming)  -
https://www.zerohedge.com/technology/cargill-taps-startup-producing-smart-cow-masks-trap-methane-burps
I thought it was common knowledge that cows are nowhere near the biggest
producer of methane.
It is significant, but there are food additives that reduce it. You
won't find any fanatical vegan promoting this.


https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2021/mar/18/cows-seaweed-methane-emissions-scientists

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/33805324/
Peeler
2021-06-06 19:16:19 UTC
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Post by Fredxx
It is significant, but there are food additives that reduce it. You
won't find any fanatical vegan promoting this.
WTF has all your senile SHIT got to do with the two ngs you keep
crossposting it to, you abnormal troll-feeding senile smartass?
Commander Kinsey
2021-06-07 17:40:53 UTC
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On Sat, 05 Jun 2021 20:17:15 +0100, Andrew
Post by Andrew
Post by T i m
On Sat, 05 Jun 2021 18:57:19 +0100, "Commander Kinsey"
<snip stupid troll trolling>
Post by Commander Kinsey
Just how can you prove whether an animal knows what death is?
I once saw a video of a wild bird being upset at the death of it's mate.
Many species 'mourn' the death of their kind and will even go back to
the exact same spot year after year.
It's stupid trolls like ShitHeadxx who obviously don't have a clue
about the animal kingdom (which is surprising, considering they think
themselves a god) that then make such ridiculous statements like
'animals can't give consent' when it's patently obvious they can.
But if what he decides is 'acceptable' re how he treats another living
creature on it being able to give consent (or not able to give
consent, as his rule works) woah betide any baby or mentally
challenged person who is near him when he's hungry. ;-(
Cheers, T i m
Cows are given a reprieve (from causing global warming) -
https://www.zerohedge.com/technology/cargill-taps-startup-producing-smart-cow-masks-trap-methane-burps
I thought it was common knowledge that cows are nowhere near the biggest
producer of methane.
It is significant, but there are food additives that reduce it. You
won't find any fanatical vegan promoting this.
https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2021/mar/18/cows-seaweed-methane-emissions-scientists
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/33805324/
There's no point in reducing something that isn't the main cause.
T i m
2021-06-07 18:38:41 UTC
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Post by Commander Kinsey
There's no point in reducing something that isn't the main cause.
The problem with DickHeadxx's logic is that because he's a god he
*believes* he can do anything he likes to animals (but will select
some that he won't do anything to using some arbitrary and not set by
him rules).

His *solution* to the exploitation, pain and suffering is to reduce it
(impossible to remove it), still doing the final act of cruelty by
taking the life of an animal (often whilst very young).

So his answer to (human) slavery and all the pain, suffering,
exploitation and death that caused wouldn't have been to simply stop
it completely, but to have given the slaves lighter chains, water
twice a day and *only* beat them if they didn't do what he asked
(because that's the sort of 'high welfare guy he is).

I'm not sure if there will ever be a time in his shift as a god where
he will see that whilst the above is bad enough, all the *other*
negative stuff adds up to a process that some of us simply don't want
a part of and because there *are* innocent and voiceless creatures who
are suffering for him, to try to get others to be aware of all the
injustice and do the right thing themselves.

When confronted with the above, all the likes of DickHeadxx will do is
try to distract from what he does (the routine killing of innocent
creatures because he likes how they taste and *believes* doing so is
essential) buy repeating ad hominem about vegans keeping dogs (even if
they rescued them for an uncertain future), pets that are often give
the best and typically live 12-15 years longer than most animals that
end up on his plate.

Cheers, T i m
Peeler
2021-06-07 19:00:52 UTC
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Post by T i m
Post by Commander Kinsey
There's no point in reducing something that isn't the main cause.
The problem with DickHeadxx's logic is that because he's a god he
*believes*
The problem with you and him is that BOTH of you are endlessly driveling
senile IDIOTS and troll-feeding ASSHOLES!
Fredxx
2021-06-07 20:52:41 UTC
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Post by T i m
On Mon, 07 Jun 2021 18:40:53 +0100, "Commander Kinsey"
<snip>
Post by Commander Kinsey
There's no point in reducing something that isn't the main cause.
The problem with DickHeadxx's logic
It can't be that bad if you are reduced to abuse me.
Post by T i m
is that because he's a god he
*believes* he can do anything he likes to animals (but will select
some that he won't do anything to using some arbitrary and not set by
him rules).
That is the different between you and me. I want improvements in animal
welfare, and you don't.

Now if was asked by Gozer if I was a god, I might feel obliged to say yes:

Post by T i m
His *solution* to the exploitation, pain and suffering
You want exploitation, pain and suffering to take place so you can wank
over age restricted animal porn. I don't.
Post by T i m
is to reduce it
(impossible to remove it), still doing the final act of cruelty by
taking the life of an animal (often whilst very young).
Humane slaughter is not cruel, whereas you endorse religious practises
employed in cruel animal slaughter.
Post by T i m
So his answer to (human) slavery
Where did this come from? Have you lost your marbles?
Post by T i m
and all the pain, suffering,
exploitation and death that caused wouldn't have been to simply stop
it completely, but to have given the slaves lighter chains, water
twice a day and *only* beat them if they didn't do what he asked
(because that's the sort of 'high welfare guy he is).
You have truly lost the plot. I abhor slavery, always have done. I have
never suggested otherwise.
Post by T i m
I'm not sure if there will ever be a time in his shift as a god where
he will see that whilst the above is bad enough,
Of course all the 'above' is bad. I don't get your point? Are you drunk,
consumed some weed or other high?
Post by T i m
all the *other*
negative stuff adds up to a process that some of us simply don't want
a part of and because there *are* innocent and voiceless creatures who
are suffering for him, to try to get others to be aware of all the
injustice and do the right thing themselves.
I want improvements in animal welfare, and you don't.
Post by T i m
When confronted with the above, all the likes of DickHeadxx will do is
try to distract from what he does (the routine killing of innocent
creatures because he likes how they taste and *believes* doing so is
essential)
As part of a natural balanced diet meat and meat products are essential.
Especially for children growing up.
Post by T i m
buy repeating ad hominem about vegans keeping dogs (even if
they rescued them for an uncertain future), pets that are often give
the best and typically live 12-15 years longer than most animals that
end up on his plate.
It is people like you who want to enslave dogs that cause "rescue" pets
to be available. Why not simply advocate banning pets? Then there would
be no need to mutilate their genitals for your pleasure.
Commander Kinsey
2021-06-10 17:54:01 UTC
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Post by T i m
On Mon, 07 Jun 2021 18:40:53 +0100, "Commander Kinsey"
<snip>
Post by Commander Kinsey
There's no point in reducing something that isn't the main cause.
The problem with DickHeadxx's logic
It can't be that bad if you are reduced to abuse me.
Post by T i m
is that because he's a god he
*believes* he can do anything he likes to animals (but will select
some that he won't do anything to using some arbitrary and not set by
him rules).
That is the different between you and me. I want improvements in animal
welfare, and you don't.
http://youtu.be/jCe5vfQx50c
Post by T i m
His *solution* to the exploitation, pain and suffering
You want exploitation, pain and suffering to take place so you can wank
over age restricted animal porn. I don't.
Post by T i m
is to reduce it
(impossible to remove it), still doing the final act of cruelty by
taking the life of an animal (often whilst very young).
Humane slaughter is not cruel, whereas you endorse religious practises
employed in cruel animal slaughter.
Human slaughter is not cruel? So if I slice your head off and you die instantly, I wouldn't go to jail? Get real.
Fredxx
2021-06-10 18:39:16 UTC
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Post by T i m
On Mon, 07 Jun 2021 18:40:53 +0100, "Commander Kinsey"
<snip>
Post by Commander Kinsey
There's no point in reducing something that isn't the main cause.
The problem with DickHeadxx's logic
It can't be that bad if you are reduced to abuse me.
Post by T i m
is that because he's a god he
*believes* he can do anything he likes to animals (but will select
some that he won't do anything to using some arbitrary and not set by
him rules).
That is the different between you and me. I want improvements in animal
welfare, and you don't.
   http://youtu.be/jCe5vfQx50c
Post by T i m
His *solution* to the exploitation, pain and suffering
You want exploitation, pain and suffering to take place so you can wank
over age restricted animal porn. I don't.
Post by T i m
is to reduce it
(impossible to remove it), still doing the final act of cruelty by
taking the life of an animal (often whilst very young).
Humane slaughter is not cruel, whereas you endorse religious practises
employed in cruel animal slaughter.
Human slaughter is not cruel?  So if I slice your head off and you die
instantly, I wouldn't go to jail?  Get real.
I thought you were brighter than this. You do know the difference
between killing a human and killing an animal in a licensed centre?

For your information, there are instances of lawful killing of humans too.

If you intended to kill me, yes of course you would go to gaol. You
don't even have to carry out the act.

Is jail a Scottish word?
Peeler
2021-06-10 19:11:28 UTC
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Post by Fredxx
I thought you were brighter than this.
WHAT made you "think" so, Freddie, you troll-feeding senile smartass? Your
senility? <BG>
T i m
2021-06-10 20:05:47 UTC
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<***@nospam.com> wrote:
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Post by Commander Kinsey
Human slaughter is not cruel? So if I slice your head off and you die instantly, I wouldn't go to jail? Get real.
DickHeadxx's 'thing' is 'Animal welfare. If the animal is suffering
(even if only mental cruelty) or being exploited (often to an early
death) then that's ok, as long as there are given some level of basic
comforts (food, water, shelter) till the point you stick a bolt gun in
their face.

So, at the Yulin dog / cat meat festival, he wouldn't be actively
campaigning trying to stop it or even not supporting it, he would be
asking people to sign a petition ensuring that only 5 dogs should be
stuffed into one small cage, rather than the 10 they do at the moment
and that if they are currently given water once a week, he would
'petition' to make it twice.

This virtue signaling means little to the cats and dogs that are
*still* suffering for ages in cages out in the heat or cold before
being skinned or cooked alive.

Nephew, also thinking he was actually helping when out in Thailand by
buying a wild bird that was due to be killed and eaten to set it free.
All that meant is that bird will likely earn the seller twice when
they catch, kill and cook it the next time round.

Oh, and DickHeadxx also suffers from specism, logical inconsistency
and hypocrisy. He wants to *stop people* eating foie gras and that's
ok because *he* understands that to be cruel. He doesn't accept why
many who understand *all* animals have rights can't agree with his
inconsistency, him not letting people eat one animal because he thinks
it's treated cruelly but not all the others that are treated equally
cruelly?

I bet he rattles off a strong letter of complaint to the
slaughterhouse that is outed for it's bad treatment of animals (over
and above the std bad treatment, like killing innocent creatures etc)
when he would have far better impact by not supporting the cruelty in
the first place by not buying the stuff. [1]

But he doesn't *actually* care about animals, outside the nutrients
they provide him and so why he can't possibly ever agree that taking
an animals life against it's will is wrong, even when it's proven to
be unnecessary and with a long list of other reasons why it's bad for
him and all of us.

Cheers, T i m

[1] Same logic with stolen property. Making it illegal or locking
stuff away doesn't work. If people stopped buying the stuff they would
quickly stop nicking it.
Fredxx
2021-06-10 20:55:15 UTC
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Post by T i m
On Thu, 10 Jun 2021 18:54:01 +0100, "Commander Kinsey"
<snip>
Post by Commander Kinsey
Human slaughter is not cruel? So if I slice your head off and you die instantly, I wouldn't go to jail? Get real.
DickHeadxx's 'thing' is 'Animal welfare. If the animal is suffering
(even if only mental cruelty) or being exploited (often to an early
death) then that's ok, as long as there are given some level of basic
comforts (food, water, shelter) till the point you stick a bolt gun in
their face.
I assume you are referring to me, resorting to abuse is acceptance you
have no sane argument of substance.
Post by T i m
So, at the Yulin dog / cat meat festival, he wouldn't be actively
campaigning trying to stop it or even not supporting it, he would be
asking people to sign a petition ensuring that only 5 dogs should be
stuffed into one small cage, rather than the 10 they do at the moment
and that if they are currently given water once a week, he would
'petition' to make it twice.
I don't attend these. I expect you wank over cats and dogs being killed.
Post by T i m
This virtue signaling means little to the cats and dogs that are
*still* suffering for ages in cages out in the heat or cold before
being skinned or cooked alive.
I don't see how caring for animals while they are alive signals anything
other than my desire for improved animal welfare. You seem in denial of
this.
Post by T i m
Nephew, also thinking he was actually helping when out in Thailand by
buying a wild bird that was due to be killed and eaten to set it free.
All that meant is that bird will likely earn the seller twice when
they catch, kill and cook it the next time round.
A bit like you keeping dogs. By keeping rescues you create a demand for
discarded dogs. Rather than mutilating their genitals they could be put
down, just with a larger injection of anaesthetic. Saving them from pain
from their operation, as well as cruelly fed plant food.
Post by T i m
Oh, and DickHeadxx also suffers from specism, logical inconsistency
and hypocrisy. He wants to *stop people* eating foie gras and that's
ok because *he* understands that to be cruel. He doesn't accept why
many who understand *all* animals have rights can't agree with his
inconsistency, him not letting people eat one animal because he thinks
it's treated cruelly but not all the others that are treated equally
cruelly?
That's right, we're a higher species. One that understands constructs
like consent. If your mental ability is similar to farm animals I can
see why you're so concerned over speciesism.

I want to improve animals standards. You endorse the force feeding of
geese to make fois gras.

If you think animals are treated cruelly then campaign for improvements
in animal welfare. You won't, because in reality you don't care.
Post by T i m
I bet he rattles off a strong letter of complaint to the
slaughterhouse that is outed for it's bad treatment of animals (over
and above the std bad treatment,
You can bet as much as you like. I doubt a letter of complaint would be
taken seriously.
Post by T i m
like killing innocent creatures etc)
when he would have far better impact by not supporting the cruelty in
the first place by not buying the stuff. [1]
There is nothing wrong for animals to be humanely slaughtered.
Post by T i m
But he doesn't *actually* care about animals, outside the nutrients
they provide him and so why he can't possibly ever agree that taking
an animals life against it's will is wrong, even when it's proven to
be unnecessary and with a long list of other reasons why it's bad for
him and all of us.
Once again you are wrong, however hard you wish it to be otherwise. I
very much care for improvements for animal welfare while the animal is
alive. Why is that so difficult for you to accept?
Post by T i m
Cheers, T i m
[1] Same logic with stolen property. Making it illegal or locking
stuff away doesn't work. If people stopped buying the stuff they would
quickly stop nicking it.
A bit like dogs being made available from rescue centres. You don't
understand why many who understand animal rights can't agree with your
inconsistency in keeping pets.
Peeler
2021-06-10 20:59:02 UTC
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On Thu, 10 Jun 2021 21:05:47 +0100, D i m, the absolutely brain dead
Post by T i m
Cheers, D i m
I flushed another load of your really unbearable senile off topic shit,
D i m, you troll-feeding, senile sicko!
Peeler
2021-06-05 19:43:29 UTC
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On Sat, 05 Jun 2021 20:04:11 +0100, D i m, the absolutely brain dead
Post by T i m
Many species 'mourn' the death of their kind and will even go back to
the exact same spot year after year.
WTF has your senile shit got to do with this ng, you idiotic perverted
sucker of troll cock?
Rod Speed
2021-06-05 20:26:00 UTC
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On Fri, 04 Jun 2021 15:59:46 -0400, FromTheRafters
<snip>
Well, there are cases of whales consenting to let humans untangle them
from nets.
Of course there are, and loads of other animals 'trusting' humans when
they have had no prior negative contact with them and so reason to.
Trust is instinctive. There is usually some payback for the risk. By way
of example, a robin would frequently fly indoors at work during the
Winter months. The same doesn't happen in Summer.
They may not understand consent from the other creature's
standpoint though.
Again, they obviously do, otherwise millions of mating (assent)
rituals would all be in vein.
It's not obvious, well, maybe in your dreams.
Same with not giving consent (dissent) to attack / kill them with
animals desperately trying to escape the killing box in a
slaughterhouse or gas chambers.
Most animals grown for food are unlikely to understand the concept of
death, so consent is pointless.
Just how can you prove whether an animal knows what death is?
I once saw a video of a wild bird being upset at the death of it's mate.
Not just its mate, dogs can do that with their masters too.

And elephants can work out when one of them has died.
Peeler
2021-06-05 20:45:44 UTC
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On Sun, 6 Jun 2021 06:26:00 +1000, cantankerous trolling geezer Rodent
Speed, the auto-contradicting senile sociopath, blabbered, again:

<FLUSH the two subnormal sociopathic cretins' endless absolutely idiotic
blather>
--
Typical retarded "conversation" between the Scottish wanker and the senile
Ozzietard:

Birdbrain: "Horse shit doesn't stink."

Senile Rodent: "It does if you roll in it."

Birdbrain: "I've never worked out why, I assumed it was maybe meateaters
that made stinky shit, but then why does vegetarian human shit stink? Is it
just the fact that we're capable of digesting meat?"

Senile Rodent: "Nope, some cow shit stinks too."

Message-ID: <***@mid.individual.net>
Fredxx
2021-06-02 01:59:52 UTC
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So what's the difference between you and a racist?  You think it's ok to
murder someone because they're a different species?
Post by NY
Tim
I've got a great idea. I'll carry on eating meat and drinking milk because I
put humans' needs/desires before animals'. You carry on not doing so, for
very valid ethical reasons (even if I disagree with them).
And let's neither of us try to foist our opinions on the other.
Post by T i m
For those who don't realise just how much death is associated with the
dairy industry (I'm looking at the likes of you Commander Kinsey <g>),
here is a little video (graphic, so not suitable for anyone who
doesn't want to face the truth) showing the end of a very short life
for a pair of calves born into the dairy industry that are being
killed so that we can consume the milk meant for them (after we have
weaned, from a different species ...)
'65,000 male calves under a month old were killed in slaughterhouses
in 2020 in the UK' (plus those killed on farms).
<https://www.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=1806286909533965&id=389132994582704&scmts=scwspsdd>
By the very definition of murder, you cannot murder a different species.
One day you'll read a dictionary and look the word up.

Hey. I'll even help, "Unlawful premeditated killing of a human being by
a human being".
T i m
2021-06-01 21:02:01 UTC
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Tim
I've got a great idea.
The chances are it won't be but carry on. ;-)
Post by NY
I'll carry on eating meat and drinking milk because I
put humans' needs/desires before animals'.
I know you do. It would be interesting to know if you would still do
that if you had to cut the throat of the animals yourself.
Post by NY
You carry on not doing so, for
very valid ethical reasons (even if I disagree with them).
I will, thanks.
Post by NY
And let's neither of us try to foist our opinions on the other.
Ironically you are already 'foisting' your views on innocent creatures
so there is no parallel or comparison.

Se, I'm not a vegan for me, I'm a vegan for all the animals that don't
deserve to suffer and die and for the world that is being destroyed,
just because the likes of you simply 'like' the taste of meat because
of your conditioning. If you could be conditioned to do something,
surely the most logical thing would be further conditioned not to do
that thing, especially when the lives of innocent / sentient creatures
are involved?

https://ibb.co/BTWRXZh

But not if you really couldn't give a fuck about all animals that is?

What does dog taste like, or cat, or do you draw the line somewhere?

And I'm guessing you DGAF about other humans either, all the
antibiotic resistance from the livestock we consume. Or the habitat
destruction threatening the remaining wildlife? Or those humans
starving because of the inefficient way we use resources? Or the
pollution we humans are suffering from all the livestock waste ...?

https://ibb.co/LSnDJCz

See, it's not all about you and what you happen to have been
conditioned to eat ...

"Carnistic Defenses

Carnism runs counter to core human values, such as compassion and
justice. Most people wouldn’t willingly violate these values and
support unnecessary violence toward other sentient beings. Therefore,
carnism—like other oppressive systems, such as patriarchy and
racism—uses a set of psychological defense mechanisms that distort our
thoughts and block our natural empathy, so that we act against our
values without fully realizing what we’re doing. In other words,
carnism conditions us not to think and feel.

Carnistic defenses hide the contradictions between our values and
behaviors, so that we unknowingly make exceptions to what we would
normally consider unethical. "

https://carnism.org/carnism/

Cheers, T i m
Rod Speed
2021-06-02 00:01:30 UTC
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Post by NY
I've got a great idea.
I'll carry on eating meat and drinking milk because
I put humans' needs/desires before animals'.
I know you do. It would be interesting to know if you would
still do that if you had to cut the throat of the animals yourself.
I know I would because I have done that repeatedly.

And shot stuff for sport too.
T i m
2021-06-02 07:39:44 UTC
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On Wed, 2 Jun 2021 10:01:30 +1000, "Rod Speed"
Post by Rod Speed
Post by T i m
Post by NY
I've got a great idea.
I'll carry on eating meat and drinking milk because
I put humans' needs/desires before animals'.
I know you do. It would be interesting to know if you would
still do that if you had to cut the throat of the animals yourself.
I know I would because I have done that repeatedly.
But I wasn't asking you.
Post by Rod Speed
And shot stuff for sport too.
Oh, I'm sure you have and I'm sure it was a very 'balanced' sport and
made you feel like a real big man.

Cheers, T i m
Rod Speed
2021-06-02 09:56:25 UTC
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Post by T i m
Post by Rod Speed
Post by T i m
Post by NY
I've got a great idea.
I'll carry on eating meat and drinking milk because
I put humans' needs/desires before animals'.
I know you do. It would be interesting to know if you would
still do that if you had to cut the throat of the animals yourself.
I know I would because I have done that repeatedly.
But I wasn't asking you.
You have always been completely irrelevant.

Who you might or might not have asked in spades.
Post by T i m
Post by Rod Speed
And shot stuff for sport too.
T i m
2021-06-02 10:07:07 UTC
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On Wed, 2 Jun 2021 19:56:25 +1000, "Rod Speed"
<***@gmail.com> wrote:

<snip>
Post by Rod Speed
Post by T i m
Post by Rod Speed
I know I would because I have done that repeatedly.
But I wasn't asking you.
You have always been completely irrelevant.
How it that relevant to what I said and why if I am irrelevant do you
feel obliged to reply to everything I type (in spades)?
Cheers, T i m
Rod Speed
2021-06-02 10:24:42 UTC
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Post by T i m
Post by Rod Speed
Post by T i m
Post by Rod Speed
I know I would because I have done that repeatedly.
But I wasn't asking you.
You have always been completely irrelevant.
How it that relevant to what I said
Pathetic.
Post by T i m
and why if I am irrelevant do you feel obliged
to reply to everything I type (in spades)?
I don't, you pathetic excuse for a bullshit artist.
T i m
2021-06-02 10:41:44 UTC
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On Wed, 2 Jun 2021 20:24:42 +1000, "Rod Speed"
Post by Rod Speed
Post by T i m
Post by Rod Speed
Post by T i m
Post by Rod Speed
I know I would because I have done that repeatedly.
But I wasn't asking you.
You have always been completely irrelevant.
How it that relevant to what I said
Pathetic.
Yeah, that's what I thought.
Post by Rod Speed
Post by T i m
and why if I am irrelevant do you feel obliged
to reply to everything I type (in spades)?
I don't, you pathetic excuse for a bullshit artist.
You seem to quite a bit as a quick scan of the group will attest.

Ok, not as much as the other sicko Troll Twins because they really do
have it bad for me but still way more than might be considered
reflective of someone who was actually 'irrelevant?

Cheers, T i m
Rod Speed
2021-06-02 19:03:31 UTC
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Post by T i m
Post by Rod Speed
Post by T i m
Post by Rod Speed
Post by T i m
Post by Rod Speed
I know I would because I have done that repeatedly.
But I wasn't asking you.
You have always been completely irrelevant.
How it that relevant to what I said
Pathetic.
Post by T i m
and why if I am irrelevant do you feel obliged
to reply to everything I type (in spades)?
I don't, you pathetic excuse for a bullshit artist.
You seem to quite a bit as a quick scan of the group will attest.
If you hadn't wanked yourself completely blind, even you
should be able to count the number of instances and
discover that its nothing even remotely like EVERYTHING
YOU TYPE, you pathetic excuse for a bullshit artist.
Peeler
2021-06-02 19:31:16 UTC
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On Thu, 3 Jun 2021 05:03:31 +1000, cantankerous trolling geezer Rodent
Speed, the auto-contradicting senile sociopath, blabbered, again:

<FLUSH the trolling senile asshole's latest trollshit unread>
--
Marland revealing the senile sociopath's pathology:
"You have mentioned Alexa in a couple of threads recently, it is not a real
woman you know even if it is the only thing with a female name that stays
around around while you talk it to it.
Poor sad git who has to resort to Usenet and electronic devices for any
interaction as all real people run a mile to get away from you boring them
to death."
MID: <***@mid.individual.net>
Peeler
2021-06-02 11:50:37 UTC
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On Wed, 2 Jun 2021 20:24:42 +1000, cantankerous trolling geezer Rodent
Speed, the auto-contradicting senile sociopath, blabbered, again:

<FLUSH the trolling senile asshole's latest trollshit unread>
Peeler
2021-06-02 08:50:27 UTC
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On Wed, 2 Jun 2021 10:01:30 +1000, cantankerous trolling geezer Rodent
Post by Rod Speed
Post by T i m
I know you do. It would be interesting to know if you would
still do that if you had to cut the throat of the animals yourself.
I know I would because I have done that repeatedly.
And shot stuff for sport too.
Not to forget that you also helped design a computer OS, flew planes,
accumulated endless riches and now troll on Usenet night and day (literally)
with all your riches! LMAO But for once I'm actually inclined to believe
that you shot animals for sport. It's typical of a sociopath/psychopath with
your mindset.
--
Marland addressing senile Rodent's tall stories:
"Do you really think people believe your stories you come up with to boost
your self esteem."
Message-ID: <***@mid.individual.net>
Fredxx
2021-06-02 01:59:20 UTC
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Post by T i m
Post by NY
Tim
I've got a great idea.
The chances are it won't be but carry on. ;-)
Post by NY
I'll carry on eating meat and drinking milk because I
put humans' needs/desires before animals'.
I know you do. It would be interesting to know if you would still do
that if you had to cut the throat of the animals yourself.
Some of us would rather they were stunned or bolted first. We know you
don't care about animal welfare sufficiently to sign this:
https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/300257
Post by T i m
Post by NY
You carry on not doing so, for
very valid ethical reasons (even if I disagree with them).
I will, thanks.
Some of which are contradictory. There is nothing ethical for a vegan to
have a pet dog.
Post by T i m
Post by NY
And let's neither of us try to foist our opinions on the other.
Ironically you are already 'foisting' your views on innocent creatures
so there is no parallel or comparison.
Animals do not understand these views, so hardly foisted on them.
Post by T i m
Se, I'm not a vegan for me,
We all knew you were dragged into veganism against your own wishes, but
now show nothing but envy that our loved ones allow us to eat meat and
your so called loved ones don't
Post by T i m
I'm a vegan for all the animals that don't
deserve to suffer
That's another lie. You are on record as saying you don't care for
animal welfare whilst an animal is alive, which simply confirms your
envy towards us.
Post by T i m
and die and for the world that is being destroyed,
just because the likes of you simply 'like' the taste of meat because
of your conditioning. If you could be conditioned to do something,
surely the most logical thing would be further conditioned not to do
that thing, especially when the lives of innocent / sentient creatures
are involved?
We are conditioned through evolution to eat meat and meat products as
part of a natural healthy diet.
Post by T i m
https://ibb.co/BTWRXZh
Quite, it is personal choice.
Post by T i m
But not if you really couldn't give a fuck about all animals that is?
Which you don't by your own admission. Why don't you sign this petition?
https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/300257
Post by T i m
What does dog taste like, or cat, or do you draw the line somewhere?
Yes, it's called choice. Some cultures like Guinea Pigs.
Post by T i m
And I'm guessing you DGAF about other humans either, all the
antibiotic resistance from the livestock we consume.
Some of use do, and even though the jury is out on this subject, I would
have no problem in banning antibiotics for non-humans.
Post by T i m
Or the habitat
destruction threatening the remaining wildlife? Or those humans
starving because of the inefficient way we use resources? Or the
pollution we humans are suffering from all the livestock waste ...?
https://ibb.co/LSnDJCz
So there are too many people on this planet.
Post by T i m
See, it's not all about you and what you happen to have been
conditioned to eat ...
This is all about you, your fanaticism and narcissism.
Post by T i m
"Carnistic Defenses
Carnism runs counter to core human values, such as compassion and
justice. Most people wouldn’t willingly violate these values and
support unnecessary violence toward other sentient beings. Therefore,
carnism—like other oppressive systems, such as patriarchy and
racism—uses a set of psychological defense mechanisms that distort our
thoughts and block our natural empathy, so that we act against our
values without fully realizing what we’re doing. In other words,
carnism conditions us not to think and feel.
Are you on another planet? I wonder who you are talking about? Human
values include a natural balanced diet, where it is proven that removing
meat and meat products from children stunts their development.
Post by T i m
Carnistic defenses hide the contradictions between our values and
behaviors, so that we unknowingly make exceptions to what we would
normally consider unethical. "
I should have expected you are only able to cut and past from fanatical
website:
https://www.all-creatures.org/articles/ar-carnistic-defenses.html
Post by T i m
https://carnism.org/carnism/
Again, a website that forgets we have evolved to eat meat as part of a
natural balanced diet, where it is proven that removing meat and meat
products from children stunts their development.
Andrew
2021-06-01 14:09:11 UTC
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Post by T i m
For those who don't realise just how much death is associated with the
dairy industry (I'm looking at the likes of you Commander Kinsey <g>),
here is a little video (graphic, so not suitable for anyone who
doesn't want to face the truth) showing the end of a very short life
for a pair of calves born into the dairy industry that are being
killed so that we can consume the milk meant for them (after we have
weaned, from a different species ...)
'65,000 male calves under a month old were killed in slaughterhouses
in 2020 in the UK' (plus those killed on farms).
<https://www.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=1806286909533965&id=389132994582704&scmts=scwspsdd>
Cheers, T i m
Nice tasty lunch for the local foxhounds though.
ARW
2021-06-01 19:23:18 UTC
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Post by T i m
For those who don't realise just how much death is associated with the
dairy industry (I'm looking at the likes of you Commander Kinsey <g>),
here is a little video (graphic, so not suitable for anyone who
doesn't want to face the truth) showing the end of a very short life
for a pair of calves born into the dairy industry that are being
killed so that we can consume the milk meant for them (after we have
weaned, from a different species ...)
'65,000 male calves under a month old were killed in slaughterhouses
in 2020 in the UK' (plus those killed on farms).
<https://www.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=1806286909533965&id=389132994582704&scmts=scwspsdd>
Cheers, T i m
Nice tasty lunch for the local foxhounds though.
I have just added veal to my shopping list.
--
Adam
Commander Kinsey
2021-06-03 18:22:58 UTC
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Post by Andrew
Post by T i m
For those who don't realise just how much death is associated with the
dairy industry (I'm looking at the likes of you Commander Kinsey <g>),
here is a little video (graphic, so not suitable for anyone who
doesn't want to face the truth) showing the end of a very short life
for a pair of calves born into the dairy industry that are being
killed so that we can consume the milk meant for them (after we have
weaned, from a different species ...)
'65,000 male calves under a month old were killed in slaughterhouses
in 2020 in the UK' (plus those killed on farms).
<https://www.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=1806286909533965&id=389132994582704&scmts=scwspsdd>
Cheers, T i m
Nice tasty lunch for the local foxhounds though.
I have just added veal to my shopping list.
Is your stomach too lazy to digest things fully? Cats are like that.
Peeler
2021-06-04 19:30:07 UTC
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On Fri, 4 Jun 2021 20:13:53 +0100, ARW, the brain dead, troll-feeding,
Is your stomach too lazy to digest things fully?  Cats are like that.
I could digest a cat.
No, you can't. But you can feed a troll, obviously, troll-feeding senile
asshole!
Commander Kinsey
2021-06-07 17:40:31 UTC
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Post by ARW
Post by Andrew
Post by T i m
For those who don't realise just how much death is associated with the
dairy industry (I'm looking at the likes of you Commander Kinsey <g>),
here is a little video (graphic, so not suitable for anyone who
doesn't want to face the truth) showing the end of a very short life
for a pair of calves born into the dairy industry that are being
killed so that we can consume the milk meant for them (after we have
weaned, from a different species ...)
'65,000 male calves under a month old were killed in slaughterhouses
in 2020 in the UK' (plus those killed on farms).
<https://www.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=1806286909533965&id=389132994582704&scmts=scwspsdd>
Cheers, T i m
Nice tasty lunch for the local foxhounds though.
I have just added veal to my shopping list.
Is your stomach too lazy to digest things fully? Cats are like that.
I could digest a cat.
Dogs digest cat shit, would you do that?
Chris Bacon
2021-06-01 19:32:29 UTC
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Why are there so many "duplicate" threads from this (plonked) wanacker?
T i m
2021-06-01 21:21:25 UTC
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On Tue, 1 Jun 2021 20:32:29 +0100, Chris Bacon
Post by Chris Bacon
Why are there so many "duplicate" threads from this (plonked) wanacker?
Why can't you deal with it with yer magic killfile?

Cheers, T i m
Commander Kinsey
2021-06-01 17:19:28 UTC
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Post by T i m
For those who don't realise just how much death is associated with the
dairy industry (I'm looking at the likes of you Commander Kinsey <g>),
here is a little video (graphic, so not suitable for anyone who
doesn't want to face the truth) showing the end of a very short life
for a pair of calves born into the dairy industry that are being
killed so that we can consume the milk meant for them (after we have
weaned, from a different species ...)
'65,000 male calves under a month old were killed in slaughterhouses
in 2020 in the UK' (plus those killed on farms).
<https://www.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=1806286909533965&id=389132994582704&scmts=scwspsdd>
They're then eaten by meat-eaters. You have to kill if you want meat, so we might aswell get milk from them first.
T i m
2021-06-01 21:19:37 UTC
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On Tue, 01 Jun 2021 18:19:28 +0100, "Commander Kinsey"
Post by Commander Kinsey
Post by T i m
For those who don't realise just how much death is associated with the
dairy industry (I'm looking at the likes of you Commander Kinsey <g>),
here is a little video (graphic, so not suitable for anyone who
doesn't want to face the truth) showing the end of a very short life
for a pair of calves born into the dairy industry that are being
killed so that we can consume the milk meant for them (after we have
weaned, from a different species ...)
'65,000 male calves under a month old were killed in slaughterhouses
in 2020 in the UK' (plus those killed on farms).
<https://www.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=1806286909533965&id=389132994582704&scmts=scwspsdd>
They're then eaten by meat-eaters.
True.
Post by Commander Kinsey
You have to kill if you want meat,
True.
Post by Commander Kinsey
so we might aswell get milk from them first.
Except I'm not sure 'we' eat the meat from a 7 year old worn out dairy
cow or a day old calf?

Cheers, T i m
Peeler
2021-06-01 21:44:48 UTC
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On Tue, 01 Jun 2021 22:19:37 +0100, D i m, the absolutely brain dead
Post by T i m
Except I'm not sure 'we' eat the meat from a 7 year old worn out dairy
cow or a day old calf?
Cheers, D i m
Except I'm absolutely sure that you are shameless demented senile sucker of
troll cock, D I M!
Fredxx
2021-06-02 01:58:12 UTC
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Post by T i m
On Tue, 01 Jun 2021 18:19:28 +0100, "Commander Kinsey"
Post by Commander Kinsey
Post by T i m
For those who don't realise just how much death is associated with the
dairy industry (I'm looking at the likes of you Commander Kinsey <g>),
here is a little video (graphic, so not suitable for anyone who
doesn't want to face the truth) showing the end of a very short life
for a pair of calves born into the dairy industry that are being
killed so that we can consume the milk meant for them (after we have
weaned, from a different species ...)
'65,000 male calves under a month old were killed in slaughterhouses
in 2020 in the UK' (plus those killed on farms).
<https://www.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=1806286909533965&id=389132994582704&scmts=scwspsdd>
They're then eaten by meat-eaters.
True.
Post by Commander Kinsey
You have to kill if you want meat,
True.
Post by Commander Kinsey
so we might aswell get milk from them first.
Except I'm not sure 'we' eat the meat from a 7 year old worn out dairy
cow or a day old calf?
https://www.coombefarmorganic.co.uk/categories/195-organic-retired-dairy-beef
"Retired cows from our dairy herd – which would not otherwise be used
for meat – are grown on, grazing our organic pastures and producing beef
with huge, long-lasting flavour and wonderful marbling. You really
should try it. We promise you won't be disappointed".

I'm sure we won't.
Spike
2021-06-02 08:08:46 UTC
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Post by T i m
Except I'm not sure 'we' eat the meat from a 7 year old worn out dairy
cow or a day old calf?
It probably goes to provide a balanced diet for dogs.
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Spike
Fredxx
2021-06-02 01:45:16 UTC
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Post by T i m
For those who don't realise just how much death is associated with the
dairy industry (I'm looking at the likes of you Commander Kinsey <g>),
here is a little video (graphic, so not suitable for anyone who
doesn't want to face the truth) showing the end of a very short life
for a pair of calves born into the dairy industry that are being
killed so that we can consume the milk meant for them (after we have
weaned, from a different species ...)
'65,000 male calves under a month old were killed in slaughterhouses
in 2020 in the UK' (plus those killed on farms).
<https://www.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=1806286909533965&id=389132994582704&scmts=scwspsdd>
They're then eaten by meat-eaters.  You have to kill if you want meat,
so we might aswell get milk from them first.
+1
Peeler
2021-06-02 08:51:47 UTC
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On Wed, 2 Jun 2021 02:45:16 +0100, Fredxx, the notorious, troll-feeding,
They're then eaten by meat-eaters.  You have to kill if you want meat,
so we might aswell get milk from them first.
+1
LOL You are such a ridiculous SENILE ASSHOLE, Freddie!
Fredxx
2021-06-02 02:01:08 UTC
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Post by T i m
For those who don't realise just how much death is associated with the
dairy industry (I'm looking at the likes of you Commander Kinsey <g>),
here is a little video (graphic, so not suitable for anyone who
doesn't want to face the truth) showing the end of a very short life
for a pair of calves born into the dairy industry that are being
killed so that we can consume the milk meant for them (after we have
weaned, from a different species ...)
'65,000 male calves under a month old were killed in slaughterhouses
in 2020 in the UK' (plus those killed on farms).
<https://www.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=1806286909533965&id=389132994582704&scmts=scwspsdd>
Of course, you would rather they weren't stunned at all.

Or you can show you don't just wank over these animal porn videos and
sign this:
https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/300257

We know you won't.
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