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[Andrew]

Just heard this on the Radio 2 9PM news.

Fertiliser plants have shut down because of the cost of gas
and apparently the process creates CO2 which is used to
gas chickens and create fizzy drinks.

The 'good' news is schools and hospitals will still have
chicken because all the meat used in those two organisations
is 'Halal' anyway.

[ARW]

Post by Andrew
Just heard this on the Radio 2 9PM news.
Fertiliser plants have shut down because of the cost of gas
and apparently the process creates CO2 which is used to
gas chickens and create fizzy drinks.
The 'good' news is schools and hospitals will still have
chicken because all the meat used in those two organisations
is 'Halal' anyway.

https://www.kfc.co.uk/halal

but they have a shortage of chicken popcorn.

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Adam

[Tim+]

Post by Andrew
Just heard this on the Radio 2 9PM news.
Fertiliser plants have shut down because of the cost of gas
and apparently the process creates CO2 which is used to
gas chickens and create fizzy drinks.

I can only assume that they use CO2 rather than N2 for animal euthanasia as
it’s cheaper. Thoroughly horrible stuff to inhale. If this promotes a
switch to N2 then this would be a very good thing.

Tim

[newshound]

Post by Tim+

Post by Andrew
Just heard this on the Radio 2 9PM news.
Fertiliser plants have shut down because of the cost of gas
and apparently the process creates CO2 which is used to
gas chickens and create fizzy drinks.

I can only assume that they use CO2 rather than N2 for animal euthanasia as
it’s cheaper. Thoroughly horrible stuff to inhale. If this promotes a
switch to N2 then this would be a very good thing.
Tim

More than you probably wanted to know here

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inert_gas_asphyxiation

which does say different species react in different ways. I'd like to
think the licensing authorities rather than the accountants select the
methods.

[The Nomad]

On Sun, 19 Sep 2021 10:38:29 +0100, newshound

Post by newshound

Post by Tim+

Post by Andrew
Just heard this on the Radio 2 9PM news.
Fertiliser plants have shut down because of the cost of gas and
apparently the process creates CO2 which is used to gas chickens and
create fizzy drinks.

I can only assume that they use CO2 rather than N2 for animal
euthanasia as it’s cheaper. Thoroughly horrible stuff to inhale. If
this promotes a switch to N2 then this would be a very good thing.
Tim

More than you probably wanted to know here
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inert_gas_asphyxiation
which does say different species react in different ways. I'd like to
think the licensing authorities rather than the accountants select the
methods.

They do! Based on scientific data gained over many years.

CO2 at lower levels induces analgesia, then after longer exposure or
higher concentrations anaesthesia then ultimately (time or higher %) the
degree of cerebral acidosis (& hypoxia) proves fatal. It is usually used
in poultry in a phased system initially <40% (often as low as 18%) then
raised progressively to 70% or so. In pigs the usual system is >80% CO2
the pigs being lowered into the gas resulting in exposure to a rising
concentration inducing unconsciousness and then death - though the rate of
rise in % is faster then in poultry, but is likely to be less stressful
than some other methods.

The use of inert gasses (initially Argon now more usually N2) only induces
cerebral hypoxia/anoxia without any of the analgesic properties of CO2, it
also produces marked convulsions, as far as can be established after loss
of consciousness. Argon was used initially due to being heaver than air -
whilst N2 is lighter than air so is harder to contain.

Thus sometimes N2 & CO2 are mixed (< 30% CO2 & <2% O2) the CO2 reducing
the convulsions & speeding the loss of consciousness.

DAMHIK - IJD OK

It (CO2) is also used in the modified atmosphere packing that is used for
many food stuffs these days, so also a problem is there is a shortage.

Avpx

[Steve Walker]

Post by newshound

Post by Tim+

Post by Andrew
Just heard this on the Radio 2 9PM news.
Fertiliser plants have shut down because of the cost of gas
and apparently the process creates CO2 which is used to
gas chickens and create fizzy drinks.

I can only assume that they use CO2 rather than N2 for animal
euthanasia as
it’s cheaper.  Thoroughly horrible stuff to inhale.  If this promotes a
switch to N2 then this would be a very good thing.
Tim

More than you probably wanted to know here
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inert_gas_asphyxiation
which does say different species react in different ways. I'd like to
think the licensing authorities rather than the accountants select the
methods.

That article does say that some species (unlike humans) can detect lack
of oxygen, rather than build up of CO2, but it also says that "the
experience is still less aversive than CO2 exposure"

[Brian Gaff (Sofa)]

II was just thinking myself that gassing chickens sounds a bad way to die,
far better the old fashioned way, though no chicken has ever come back from
either to report.
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Post by Andrew
Just heard this on the Radio 2 9PM news.
Fertiliser plants have shut down because of the cost of gas
and apparently the process creates CO2 which is used to
gas chickens and create fizzy drinks.
The 'good' news is schools and hospitals will still have
chicken because all the meat used in those two organisations
is 'Halal' anyway.

[Andrew]

My grandfather, a farmer, used the old fashioned method -
get the wife to hold chickky while grandpa wacked it over
the head with a stout length of wood, followed by cutting
its throat internally.

As he got older and both his eyes developed bad cataracts,
there came a time when he missed the bird and broke one
of his (2nd) wifes wrists. Oops.

Andrew

Post by Brian Gaff (Sofa)
II was just thinking myself that gassing chickens sounds a bad way to die,
far better the old fashioned way, though no chicken has ever come back from
either to report.
Brian

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Post by Andrew
My grandfather, a farmer, used the old fashioned method -
get the wife to hold chickky while grandpa wacked it over
the head with a stout length of wood, followed by cutting
its throat internally.
As he got older and both his eyes developed bad cataracts,
there came a time when he missed the bird and broke one
of his (2nd) wifes wrists. Oops.

Post by Brian Gaff (Sofa)
II was just thinking myself that gassing chickens sounds a bad way to die,

I expect the operatives wear protective equipment.

Post by Andrew

Post by Brian Gaff (Sofa)
far better the old fashioned way, though no chicken has ever come back
from either to report.

[Andy Burns]

Post by Andrew
Fertiliser plants have shut down because of the cost of gas
and apparently the process creates CO2 which is used to
gas chickens and create fizzy drinks.

A mildly interesting read on the fragility of CO₂ supply after the 2018
shortage, sounds awfully familiar this time around ... except crumpets seem
unaffected so far, maybe they've gone back to bicarb?

<https://www.fdf.org.uk/globalassets/resources/publications/falling-flat-lessons-from-the-2018-uk-co2-shortage.pdf>