Post by Pancho Post by Rod Speed Post by Pancho
Subs can be tracked.
No they cant when out in the open ocean. That’s the whole point of them.
Of course they can. They can be followed from base.
No, they cant. If they could be there would be no point in having them
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Post by Rod Speed Post by Pancho
if you give an opponent a clear attack vector they can hone their
How odd that no one has done that with nuke missile subs.
How would you know if they had done it?
How do *you* know they *have*?
This is all hand waving hypotheses in the face of in your case almost
As I said, I was working on military electronics back in the cold war
days, and sub detection was really hard even with the class of noisy
subs we had then, If you suspected a sub you would drop a few hundred
sonobuoys and hope that you could pick up prop noise, but it didn't go
very far, and they were expensive things to simply waste - because you
never picked them up again.
We use submarines because they are much harder to detect than anything
else except maybe stealth aircraft. Aircraft and aircraft carriers
proved to obsolete battleships almost completely in WWII. All the rest
of the capital ships served as anti-aircraft protection for the aircraft
carriers - missile launchers and flak ships. The one thing large capital
ships are vulnerable to is submarines and torpedo attack - surface to
surface missiles are something we developed technology to mostly beat
back in the 60s and 70s. Yes we have AS helicopters and so on, but they
are not infallible.
The danger from China is interdiction and blockading of trade routes,
and use of capital ships to protect landing forces onto some of the
islands they lay claim to. If submarines can effectively strike against
these, it nullifies the risk. Australia having nuclear subs and more
importantly, US nuclear subs being able to use Australia as a military
base, is a clear and simple warning to China that says 'don't try it, mate'.
If you read the geopolitical news, it appears china is in danger of an
internal coup by sharp elbows in the CCP that want what Xi Jinping has:
In essence belligerence and stirring up 'foreign enemies' is what every
regime under threat does - look at Iran, Look at the EU. look at the
SNP, look at Argentina...
So until things settle down and China goes back to world domination by
trade, buying up Western politicians, and inserting spyware in
everything and hacking the internet, a few billion tossed at nuclear
powered submarines is in order.
What people like you fail to realise is that perpetual war is the
natural state of man in an overcrowded resource limited world. The fact
that conflicts are few,far between and limited in scope, is not because
we don't have super weapons, it is because we do. There is not much
upside in invading a country if your own becomes a nuclear wasteland. Or
trying to invade across an ocean littered with undetectable hunter
To date china has proxied wars in Vietnam, Laos, Cambodia, Korea,
Pakistan versus India, and has annexed two countries, since WWII.
We don't know how much they are behind Islamic fundamentalism and jihad.
We don't know how many Western politicians they have in their pockets
We do know that when you give them mining rights, a barbed wire fence
and armed guards go in to protect the installation and woe betide any
China is tougher and meaner than Britain ever was in terms of developing
It behoves us to not fondly imagine they wouldn't start a war in an
instant if they felt they could get away with it. Our job is to make
sure they can't.
US involvement in Vietnam was curtailed by democracy and public opinion.
China has no democracy and public opinion is no match for automatic
weapons, education camps and quietly vanishing into a hole in the
ground. What the EU would like to do, in terms of mass population
control, has already been done by China.
“when things get difficult you just have to lie”
― Jean Claud Jüncker