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RJH
2024-05-13 16:35:15 UTC
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Could anybody recommend a cheap and effective way of glazing an aluminium 8' x
6' greenhouse?

At the moment it's completely unglazed - an allotment find. I've sort of ruled
out glass/acrylic as too expensive. I was hoping to find a solution for under
£100.

x-posted uk.d-i-y and uk.rec.gardening
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Theo
2024-05-13 16:57:49 UTC
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Could anybody recommend a cheap and effective way of glazing an aluminium 8' x
6' greenhouse?
At the moment it's completely unglazed - an allotment find. I've sort of ruled
out glass/acrylic as too expensive. I was hoping to find a solution for under
£100.
x-posted uk.d-i-y and uk.rec.gardening
Find someone who is replacing their double glazed windows/doors and steal
the panels? Two panes for every panel, whether they can be made to fit the
holes in the greenhouse is part of the fun?

They can be found on ebay/FB/Freecycle etc but also check local skips.

Theo
(just a thought, never tried it)
N_Cook
2024-05-14 07:46:44 UTC
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Post by RJH
Could anybody recommend a cheap and effective way of glazing an aluminium 8' x
6' greenhouse?
At the moment it's completely unglazed - an allotment find. I've sort of ruled
out glass/acrylic as too expensive. I was hoping to find a solution for under
£100.
x-posted uk.d-i-y and uk.rec.gardening
Find someone who is replacing their double glazed windows/doors and steal
the panels? Two panes for every panel, whether they can be made to fit the
holes in the greenhouse is part of the fun?
They can be found on ebay/FB/Freecycle etc but also check local skips.
Theo
(just a thought, never tried it)
Do you know how to cut toughened glass without it shattering?
I've only done this to clad an old shed before adding external larch lap
fence panels to prolong its use, so don't know how sun would affext it.
Get a commercial roll of clingfilm for wrapping food producs.
Perhaps a mile long and about 0.4m wide , and double sided carpet tape
for edges/ rough parts of metal
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The Natural Philosopher
2024-05-14 12:46:29 UTC
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Could anybody recommend a cheap and effective way of glazing an aluminium 8' x
6' greenhouse?
At the moment it's completely unglazed - an allotment find. I've sort of ruled
out glass/acrylic as too expensive. I was hoping to find a solution for under
£100.
x-posted uk.d-i-y and uk.rec.gardening
Find someone who is replacing their double glazed windows/doors and steal
the panels?  Two panes for every panel, whether they can be made to
fit the
holes in the greenhouse is part of the fun?
They can be found on ebay/FB/Freecycle etc but also check local skips.
Theo
(just a thought, never tried it)
Do you know how to cut toughened glass without it shattering?
I believe it to be impossible

Greenhouse glass is not toughened. It is in fact total shit :-)

'agricultural glass'
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I've only done this to clad an old shed before adding external larch lap
fence panels to prolong its use, so don't know how sun would affext it.
Get a commercial roll of clingfilm for wrapping food producs.
Perhaps a mile long and about 0.4m wide , and double sided carpet tape
for edges/ rough parts of metal
Ingenious...
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charles
2024-05-14 13:30:02 UTC
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Could anybody recommend a cheap and effective way of glazing an
aluminium 8' x 6' greenhouse?
At the moment it's completely unglazed - an allotment find. I've sort
of ruled out glass/acrylic as too expensive. I was hoping to find a
solution for under £100.
x-posted uk.d-i-y and uk.rec.gardening
Find someone who is replacing their double glazed windows/doors and
steal the panels? Two panes for every panel, whether they can be made
to fit the holes in the greenhouse is part of the fun?
They can be found on ebay/FB/Freecycle etc but also check local skips.
Theo (just a thought, never tried it)
Do you know how to cut toughened glass without it shattering?
I believe it to be impossible
Greenhouse glass is not toughened. It is in fact total shit :-)
our greenhouse was supplied with toughened glass,
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Jeff Layman
2024-05-14 21:21:14 UTC
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Post by RJH
Could anybody recommend a cheap and effective way of glazing an
aluminium 8' x 6' greenhouse?
At the moment it's completely unglazed - an allotment find. I've sort
of ruled out glass/acrylic as too expensive. I was hoping to find a
solution for under £100.
x-posted uk.d-i-y and uk.rec.gardening
Find someone who is replacing their double glazed windows/doors and
steal the panels? Two panes for every panel, whether they can be made
to fit the holes in the greenhouse is part of the fun?
They can be found on ebay/FB/Freecycle etc but also check local skips.
Theo (just a thought, never tried it)
Do you know how to cut toughened glass without it shattering?
I believe it to be impossible
Greenhouse glass is not toughened. It is in fact total shit :-)
our greenhouse was supplied with toughened glass,
I specified toughened glass for my Halls 14 x 8. It was fine for 10
years until two panes went in quick succession (vandalism?). I can't
tell you how long it took to remove thousands of pieces of glass from
the plants in there and what was mixed in the sandy soil. I just
convinced myself that what was left was like gravel drainage in the soil!
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fred
2024-05-15 13:25:01 UTC
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I specified toughened glass for my Halls 14 x 8. It was fine for 10
years until two panes went in quick succession (vandalism?). I can't
tell you how long it took to remove thousands of pieces of glass from
the plants in there and what was mixed in the sandy soil. I just
convinced myself that what was left was like gravel drainage in the soil!
Laminated would have been my choice in that case, more secure, more stable
and cheaper as it can be cut off the shelf.

Not that I'd put it in a greenhouse, cheap agricultural glass or polyC if
prone to breakage. PolyC twin if avail at a decent price.
Jeff Layman
2024-05-16 12:38:19 UTC
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I specified toughened glass for my Halls 14 x 8. It was fine for 10
years until two panes went in quick succession (vandalism?). I can't
tell you how long it took to remove thousands of pieces of glass from
the plants in there and what was mixed in the sandy soil. I just
convinced myself that what was left was like gravel drainage in the soil!
Laminated would have been my choice in that case, more secure, more stable
and cheaper as it can be cut off the shelf.
Cheaper? It costs about 50% more than the price of toughened glass. A
piece of 1617 x 610mm x 6.4mm laminated glass costs £94 inc VAT (free
delivery) according to
<https://aeglazing.co.uk/shop/types/laminated-glass/6-4mm-clear-laminate-glass/>.
The price for the same size of toughened glass (4mm thick) is £65. FWIW,
that piece of toughened glass cost me £47 at a local glass merchant, and
took less than 48 hours to appear from ordering.

The toughened glass I have lasted 10 years without problem, then two
panes "went" in quick succession. That was 6 months ago and the rest of
the glass (about 40 panes) has been fine. The two that broke are only a
couple of metres from a public path and visible over the 1.8m fence.
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Not that I'd put it in a greenhouse, cheap agricultural glass or polyC if
prone to breakage. PolyC twin if avail at a decent price.
Single 1200 x 610mm x 4mm polycarb sheets are £15 at B&Q. OK for a quick
single replacement, but too high to do a whole greenhouse.
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alan_m
2024-05-14 14:27:43 UTC
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Do you know how to cut toughened glass without it shattering?
I believe it to be impossible
Greenhouse glass is not toughened. It is in fact total shit :-)
'agricultural glass'
Some greenhouses come with toughened glass.

A friend also had the same dilemma when acquiring a greenhouse frame
without glass. I forget the make but it used non-standard greenhouse
glass sizes and the replacement toughened glass from the greenhouse
manufacturer cost an arm and a leg.

In the end it was glazed with cheap agricultural glass with large
overlap between panes with 2 to 3 inch Z clips made from builders band.

https://www.screwfix.com/p/ced-all-round-band-12mm-x-10m/18298

The small triangular panes were the thinnest of perspex sheet which in
retrospect should have been thicker because the thin stuff was a bugger
to cut without it snapping in the wrong place and too flexible/thin for
glazing clips to hold it in place. The use of duct tape on the edges
helped a lot :)
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Theo
2024-05-14 13:13:42 UTC
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Could anybody recommend a cheap and effective way of glazing an aluminium 8' x
6' greenhouse?
At the moment it's completely unglazed - an allotment find. I've sort of ruled
out glass/acrylic as too expensive. I was hoping to find a solution for under
£100.
x-posted uk.d-i-y and uk.rec.gardening
Find someone who is replacing their double glazed windows/doors and steal
the panels? Two panes for every panel, whether they can be made to fit the
holes in the greenhouse is part of the fun?
They can be found on ebay/FB/Freecycle etc but also check local skips.
Theo
(just a thought, never tried it)
Do you know how to cut toughened glass without it shattering?
Good point. I think only some double glazing is toughened though - it's
supposed to be toughened if people will walk into it (so doors etc) but
doesn't need to be for windows. When you order it, websites ask whether you
want toughened or not.

Just makes skip diving more fun :-)

Theo
David
2024-05-14 13:22:58 UTC
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Post by RJH
Could anybody recommend a cheap and effective way of glazing an
aluminium 8' x 6' greenhouse?
At the moment it's completely unglazed - an allotment find. I've
sort of ruled out glass/acrylic as too expensive. I was hoping to
find a solution for under £100.
x-posted uk.d-i-y and uk.rec.gardening
Find someone who is replacing their double glazed windows/doors and
steal the panels? Two panes for every panel, whether they can be
made to fit the holes in the greenhouse is part of the fun?
They can be found on ebay/FB/Freecycle etc but also check local skips.
Theo (just a thought, never tried it)
Do you know how to cut toughened glass without it shattering?
Good point. I think only some double glazing is toughened though - it's
supposed to be toughened if people will walk into it (so doors etc) but
doesn't need to be for windows. When you order it, websites ask whether
you want toughened or not.
Just makes skip diving more fun :-)
Theo
Some windows need to be toughened.
I know one of our bathroom windows needed this.
I'm not sure of the rules, but I assume anywhere someone is likely to fall
against it.

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Andy Burns
2024-05-14 13:27:16 UTC
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Some windows need to be toughened. I know one of our bathroom windows
needed this. I'm not sure of the rules, but I assume anywhere someone
is likely to fall against it.
Any pane where part of it is below 1500mm needs to be toughened.
Andy Burns
2024-05-14 13:29:09 UTC
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Some windows need to be toughened. I know one of our bathroom windows
needed this. I'm not sure of the rules, but I assume anywhere someone
is likely to fall against it.
Any pane where part of it is below 1500mm needs to be toughened.
That's for doors, 800mm for windows.
alan_m
2024-05-14 14:31:26 UTC
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Some windows need to be toughened.
I know one of our bathroom windows needed this.
I'm not sure of the rules, but I assume anywhere someone is likely to fall
against it.
I believe the criteria is anything below a certain height from an
internal floor.
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The Natural Philosopher
2024-05-14 14:39:41 UTC
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Post by RJH
Could anybody recommend a cheap and effective way of glazing an aluminium 8' x
6' greenhouse?
At the moment it's completely unglazed - an allotment find. I've sort of ruled
out glass/acrylic as too expensive. I was hoping to find a solution for under
£100.
x-posted uk.d-i-y and uk.rec.gardening
Find someone who is replacing their double glazed windows/doors and steal
the panels? Two panes for every panel, whether they can be made to fit the
holes in the greenhouse is part of the fun?
They can be found on ebay/FB/Freecycle etc but also check local skips.
Theo
(just a thought, never tried it)
Do you know how to cut toughened glass without it shattering?
Good point. I think only some double glazing is toughened though - it's
supposed to be toughened if people will walk into it (so doors etc) but
doesn't need to be for windows. When you order it, websites ask whether you
want toughened or not.
I think if *any* window is above a certain size it has to be toughened.
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Jeff Layman
2024-05-13 17:31:13 UTC
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Could anybody recommend a cheap and effective way of glazing an aluminium 8' x
6' greenhouse?
At the moment it's completely unglazed - an allotment find. I've sort of ruled
out glass/acrylic as too expensive. I was hoping to find a solution for under
£100.
x-posted uk.d-i-y and uk.rec.gardening
I would have gone for something like 4mm twin-wall polycarbonate, for
example:
<https://www.diy.com/departments/polycarbonate-sheets-for-greenhouses-pack-of-20-/5060575108438_BQ.prd>

That won't quite make your <£100, as a pack would do the long sides and
roof, and part of one end only.

It'd be worth it as it's much more vandal-proof than even toughened
glass, and being twin-walled will provide better insulation than a
single-walled product.
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RJH
2024-05-14 13:31:42 UTC
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Post by RJH
Could anybody recommend a cheap and effective way of glazing an aluminium 8' x
6' greenhouse?
At the moment it's completely unglazed - an allotment find. I've sort of ruled
out glass/acrylic as too expensive. I was hoping to find a solution for under
£100.
x-posted uk.d-i-y and uk.rec.gardening
I would have gone for something like 4mm twin-wall polycarbonate, for
<https://www.diy.com/departments/polycarbonate-sheets-for-greenhouses-pack-of-20-/5060575108438_BQ.prd>
That won't quite make your <£100, as a pack would do the long sides and> roof,
and part of one end only.
It'd be worth it as it's much more vandal-proof than even toughened
glass, and being twin-walled will provide better insulation than a
single-walled product.
Thanks - that's a lot less than I thought, and worth a go if there's not too
much cutting to fit.
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Jeff Layman
2024-05-14 18:45:28 UTC
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Post by RJH
Could anybody recommend a cheap and effective way of glazing an aluminium 8' x
6' greenhouse?
At the moment it's completely unglazed - an allotment find. I've sort of ruled
out glass/acrylic as too expensive. I was hoping to find a solution for under
£100.
x-posted uk.d-i-y and uk.rec.gardening
I would have gone for something like 4mm twin-wall polycarbonate, for
<https://www.diy.com/departments/polycarbonate-sheets-for-greenhouses-pack-of-20-/5060575108438_BQ.prd>
That won't quite make your <£100, as a pack would do the long sides and> roof,
and part of one end only.
It'd be worth it as it's much more vandal-proof than even toughened
glass, and being twin-walled will provide better insulation than a
single-walled product.
Thanks - that's a lot less than I thought, and worth a go if there's not too
much cutting to fit.
It's worth checking other sources of the twin-walled polycarbonate
sheet, and be sure the sizes match the greenhouse glazing sizes.
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RJH
2024-05-15 10:12:38 UTC
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Post by RJH
Could anybody recommend a cheap and effective way of glazing an aluminium 8' x
6' greenhouse?
At the moment it's completely unglazed - an allotment find. I've sort of ruled
out glass/acrylic as too expensive. I was hoping to find a solution for under
£100.
x-posted uk.d-i-y and uk.rec.gardening
I would have gone for something like 4mm twin-wall polycarbonate, for
<https://www.diy.com/departments/polycarbonate-sheets-for-greenhouses-pack-of-20-/5060575108438_BQ.prd>
That won't quite make your <£100, as a pack would do the long sides and> roof,
and part of one end only.
It'd be worth it as it's much more vandal-proof than even toughened
glass, and being twin-walled will provide better insulation than a
single-walled product.
Thanks - that's a lot less than I thought, and worth a go if there's not too
much cutting to fit.
It's worth checking other sources of the twin-walled polycarbonate
sheet,
From a quick look, that does seem to be a good price - about £7m2.
Post by Jeff Layman
and be sure the sizes match the greenhouse glazing sizes.
Yep thanks
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Charlie Pridham
2024-05-15 12:12:34 UTC
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Could anybody recommend a cheap and effective way of glazing an aluminium 8' x
6' greenhouse?
At the moment it's completely unglazed - an allotment find. I've sort of ruled
out glass/acrylic as too expensive. I was hoping to find a solution for under
£100.
x-posted uk.d-i-y and uk.rec.gardening
I would have gone for something like 4mm twin-wall polycarbonate, for
<https://www.diy.com/departments/polycarbonate-sheets-for-greenhouses-pack-of-20-/5060575108438_BQ.prd>
That won't quite make your <£100, as a pack would do the long sides and
roof, and part of one end only.
It'd be worth it as it's much more vandal-proof than even toughened
glass, and being twin-walled will provide better insulation than a
single-walled product.
But not very strong so I would recommend lots of additional bracing to
the frame (Its the glass that makes these small greenhouse rigid)
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Janet
2024-05-14 14:33:00 UTC
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Could anybody recommend a cheap and effective way of glazing an aluminium 8' x
6' greenhouse?
At the moment it's completely unglazed - an allotment find. I've sort of ruled
out glass/acrylic as too expensive. I was hoping to find a solution for under
£100.
I very recently acquired an unglazed green aluminium GH
frame for £50. By knocking on the door of the stranger
whose garden it's been lying in for years. He inherited
it years earlier, with glazing, but had never installed
the glazing or used the GH. He included an assortment of
filthy old glass panels unsure if they were enough.

I washed and sorted the glazing. From images of the metal
frame., a google search identified its manufacturer (
Halls) . Halls website helpfully listed the model, its
erection instructions and full list of required glass
parts/sizes.

So now knew my gh was short of glass. However, I saw
offered (free) a number of redundant Covid protection
screens (HD acrylic, still in wrappers, never used), sawed
those up to fit the roof panels and one side of the GH,
same glazing clips from BQ worked fine, and found I now
had enough original glazing to complete the job.

Halls still supply the accessories for that model so I
bought a glass louvre vent kit, and gutter stops and down
pipes to collect roof water. Those cost more than the GH
but my water butts were free (Freecycle). So were the
concrete slabs floor the GH frame is bolted on to; and the
staging inside it.

It's a cracking little GH, better than new, and stuffed
with seedlings atm.

Freecycle and Next Door app are your friend. Them as
don't ask don't get.

Janet
Jim GM4DHJ ...
2024-05-15 08:00:21 UTC
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Could anybody recommend a cheap and effective way of glazing an aluminium 8' x
6' greenhouse?
At the moment it's completely unglazed - an allotment find. I've sort of ruled
out glass/acrylic as too expensive. I was hoping to find a solution for under
£100.
x-posted uk.d-i-y and uk.rec.gardening
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