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OT: Merde, the Fr*nch are revolting !
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Ottavio Caruso
2024-07-02 13:21:02 UTC
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The Fr*nch L*ftards have declared they will start a civil war if the
people of Fr*nce democratically elect a right wing party to lead the
country.

Am I right in thinking democracy is only good when you win but bad when
you lose?

(Before you make silly comparisons wit Br*xit: L*bour leaders are
notoriously incapable of eating a ham sandwich, let alone revolt in the
street)

I actually like this: it makes us Italians look composed, measured,
reliable, predictable, even boring.
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Tim Streater
2024-07-02 13:54:27 UTC
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On 2 Jul 2024 at 14:21:02 BST, "Ottavio Caruso"
Post by Ottavio Caruso
The Fr*nch L*ftards have declared they will start a civil war if the
people of Fr*nce democratically elect a right wing party to lead the
country.
Am I right in thinking democracy is only good when you win but bad when
you lose?
(Before you make silly comparisons wit Br*xit: L*bour leaders are
notoriously incapable of eating a ham sandwich, let alone revolt in the
street)
I actually like this: it makes us Italians look composed, measured,
reliable, predictable, even boring.
Well I agree that you're boring.

Democracy seems to take many forms, as I have observed by living at different
times under three such. By having their election over more than one day, with
results being counted after the first ballot, they open themselves up to
having the political parties engage in horse-trading, something which is
always to the detriment of the electorate. They're even dropping candidates,
which shouldn't be allowed either.
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SteveW
2024-07-03 10:51:28 UTC
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On 2 Jul 2024 at 14:21:02 BST, "Ottavio Caruso"
Post by Ottavio Caruso
The Fr*nch L*ftards have declared they will start a civil war if the
people of Fr*nce democratically elect a right wing party to lead the
country.
Am I right in thinking democracy is only good when you win but bad when
you lose?
(Before you make silly comparisons wit Br*xit: L*bour leaders are
notoriously incapable of eating a ham sandwich, let alone revolt in the
street)
I actually like this: it makes us Italians look composed, measured,
reliable, predictable, even boring.
Well I agree that you're boring.
Democracy seems to take many forms, as I have observed by living at different
times under three such. By having their election over more than one day, with
results being counted after the first ballot, they open themselves up to
having the political parties engage in horse-trading, something which is
always to the detriment of the electorate. They're even dropping candidates,
which shouldn't be allowed either.
If such collusion were carried out by businesses, they'd rightly find
themselves in court.
Rod Speed
2024-07-06 20:07:13 UTC
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Post by Tim Streater
On 2 Jul 2024 at 14:21:02 BST, "Ottavio Caruso"
Post by Ottavio Caruso
The Fr*nch L*ftards have declared they will start a civil war if the
people of Fr*nce democratically elect a right wing party to lead the
country.
Am I right in thinking democracy is only good when you win but bad when
you lose?
(Before you make silly comparisons wit Br*xit: L*bour leaders are
notoriously incapable of eating a ham sandwich, let alone revolt in the
street)
I actually like this: it makes us Italians look composed, measured,
reliable, predictable, even boring.
Well I agree that you're boring.
Democracy seems to take many forms, as I have observed by living at different
times under three such. By having their election over more than one day, with
results being counted after the first ballot, they open themselves up to
having the political parties engage in horse-trading, something which is
always to the detriment of the electorate. They're even dropping candidates,
which shouldn't be allowed either.
If such collusion
That's not collusion and happens all the time with
political partys, particularly in countrys stupid
enough to have a PR system when forming govt.
Post by SteveW
were carried out by businesses, they'd rightly find themselves in court.
Fantasy with mergers.
Joe
2024-07-02 14:45:48 UTC
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Post by Ottavio Caruso
The Fr*nch L*ftards have declared they will start a civil war if the
people of Fr*nce democratically elect a right wing party to lead the
country.
Am I right in thinking democracy is only good when you win but bad
when you lose?
That is more a feature of one side of the political spectrum than the
other, and in Britain it never used to happen at all to any great
extent.

I don't recall it happening much after our 2010 and 2015 elections.
Post by Ottavio Caruso
(Before you make silly comparisons wit Br*xit: L*bour leaders are
notoriously incapable of eating a ham sandwich, let alone revolt in
the street)
The Brexit referendum was an early example of this. All the parties
said they were happy to hold the referendum, and did not dispute the
government's assertion that it would be binding on them. Dave promised
to stay on after it, whatever the result. If we wanted out, that's what
he would implement. Nobody suggested that it should be anything other
than a 'once in a generation' thing.

But afterwards... it wasn't just Labour, the Lib-Dems immediately said
they would start working on holding a further referendum, Dave bailed
out completely, and all sorts of people who had said they would leave
the country if the result was 'out'.... didn't.

But Brexit wasn't the first. The Scottish independence referendum was
also a 'once in a generation' thing... until it went the 'wrong' way,
when the campaigning immediately began for another one.

And it's probably all down to the famous EU policy whereby if they lose
a vote, they will simply hold another one. The EU Constitution was
rejected by two of the core EEC countries, so it was simply re-worked
into a treaty which almost nobody had to accept. Except, of course, the
Irish, who did reject it but were then told to go and vote again, with
the implication that the voting would continue until the Irish gave the
right answer.
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Joe
Andy Burns
2024-07-02 14:57:58 UTC
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Post by Joe
Brexit wasn't the first. The Scottish independence referendum was
also a 'once in a generation' thing...
Sturgeon went further in 2013 and called it a "once in a lifetime" thing.
Vir Campestris
2024-07-05 09:56:28 UTC
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Post by Joe
Brexit wasn't the first. The Scottish independence referendum was
also a 'once in a generation' thing...
Sturgeon went further in 2013 and called it a "once in a lifetime" thing.
Perhaps she meant *political* lifetime.

OTOH she is a politician. And I trust you know how you tell if a
politician is lying?

Andy
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Joe
2024-07-05 12:24:47 UTC
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Post by Andy Burns
Post by Joe
Brexit wasn't the first. The Scottish independence referendum was
also a 'once in a generation' thing...
Sturgeon went further in 2013 and called it a "once in a lifetime" thing.
Perhaps she meant *political* lifetime.
OTOH she is a politician. And I trust you know how you tell if a
politician is lying?
He's not in Wales?

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2024/07/03/welsh-government-to-ban-politicians-from-lying/
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Joe
Jeff Gaines
2024-07-02 15:18:25 UTC
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<***@jrenewsid.jretrading.com> Joe wrote:

[snipped excellent dissertation on reaction to votes]
Post by Joe
And it's probably all down to the famous EU policy whereby if they lose
a vote, they will simply hold another one. The EU Constitution was
rejected by two of the core EEC countries, so it was simply re-worked
into a treaty which almost nobody had to accept. Except, of course, the
Irish, who did reject it but were then told to go and vote again, with
the implication that the voting would continue until the Irish gave the
right answer.
That's an interesting suggestion. Certainly I have not noticed people
whining about the results of a vote until the Brexit referendum.
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Cursitor Doom
2024-07-02 23:02:28 UTC
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The Fr*nch L*ftards have declared they will start a civil war if the
people of Fr*nce democratically elect a right wing party to lead the
country.
Same thing in Germany right now. The AFD Party - a recent force on the
centre right which enjoys about 40% support currently - is under threat of
being banned as "extremist"(!) and they actually have parliamentarians
from one of the other established parties stating they will try to get a
Bill through to achieve this. Naturally those pressing for the abolition
of the AFD are Lefties, just as in France.
Post by Ottavio Caruso
Am I right in thinking democracy is only good when you win but bad when
you lose
That's what Rishi Sunak believes. Remember that little speech he made
outside No.10 after George Galloway was legitimately elected to the House
of Commons recently? Like Galloway or loathe him, he *was* legitimately
elected and it's not for anyone to try overturning it.
Post by Ottavio Caruso
(Before you make silly comparisons wit Br*xit: L*bour leaders are
notoriously incapable of eating a ham sandwich, let alone revolt in the
street)
I actually like this: it makes us Italians look composed, measured,
reliable, predictable, even boring.
Yes, quite so! :-D
Reform UK are the ones currently under attack by dark, antidemocratic
forces - chiefly the Lefty BBC. But all the main media channels have been
desperate to air-brush Reform out of the public's consciousness since that
first major TV debate when support for Reform instantly doubled overnight
thanks to a typically charismatic performance by Nigel Farage.

And of course there's Trump in America who's being attacked by a
weaponised legal system desperate to de-rail his prospects of re-election
come November. And again, this the dirty work of Left-wing, ironically-
named 'Democratic Party.'

These underhand tactics by the Left are going to start civil wars in many
Western countries by the way they're carrying on.
The Natural Philosopher
2024-07-03 09:31:55 UTC
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Post by Ottavio Caruso
The Fr*nch L*ftards have declared they will start a civil war if the
people of Fr*nce democratically elect a right wing party to lead the
country.
Same thing in Germany right now. The AFD Party - a recent force on the
centre right which enjoys about 40% support currently - is under threat of
being banned as "extremist"(!) and they actually have parliamentarians
from one of the other established parties stating they will try to get a
Bill through to achieve this. Naturally those pressing for the abolition
of the AFD are Lefties, just as in France.
Post by Ottavio Caruso
Am I right in thinking democracy is only good when you win but bad when
you lose
That's what Rishi Sunak believes. Remember that little speech he made
outside No.10 after George Galloway was legitimately elected to the House
of Commons recently? Like Galloway or loathe him, he *was* legitimately
elected and it's not for anyone to try overturning it.
Post by Ottavio Caruso
(Before you make silly comparisons wit Br*xit: L*bour leaders are
notoriously incapable of eating a ham sandwich, let alone revolt in the
street)
I actually like this: it makes us Italians look composed, measured,
reliable, predictable, even boring.
Yes, quite so! :-D
Reform UK are the ones currently under attack by dark, antidemocratic
forces - chiefly the Lefty BBC. But all the main media channels have been
desperate to air-brush Reform out of the public's consciousness since that
first major TV debate when support for Reform instantly doubled overnight
thanks to a typically charismatic performance by Nigel Farage.
And of course there's Trump in America who's being attacked by a
weaponised legal system desperate to de-rail his prospects of re-election
come November. And again, this the dirty work of Left-wing, ironically-
named 'Democratic Party.'
These underhand tactics by the Left are going to start civil wars in many
Western countries by the way they're carrying on.
If you forget Left and Right and look at politics in another way, what
is happening in Europe and the USA is a revolt against the Man. Remote
uncaring idiotic and incompetent bureaucratic government. Whether its in
France Germany or Ukraine, its the forces of 'we want our own country
back' against foreign or supra national interests - Russia, the EU,
globalised corporations and bankers or in the case of the USA a cabal of
corrupt democrats who run the party and the country for their own benefit.
Its a shame the only alternative is, in the UK labour, and in the USA,
Trump.

But their clay feet will soon become apparent.

A vote for Labour will be a vote for Reform in 2029.
--
There is something fascinating about science. One gets such wholesale
returns of conjecture out of such a trifling investment of fact.

Mark Twain
Andrew
2024-07-05 11:21:58 UTC
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Post by Ottavio Caruso
The Fr*nch L*ftards have declared they will start a civil war if the
people of Fr*nce democratically elect a right wing party to lead the
country.
Same thing in Germany right now. The AFD Party - a recent force on the
centre right which enjoys about 40% support currently - is under threat of
being banned as "extremist"(!) and they actually have parliamentarians
from one of the other established parties stating they will try to get a
Bill through to achieve this. Naturally those pressing for the abolition
of the AFD are Lefties, just as in France.
Post by Ottavio Caruso
Am I right in thinking democracy is only good when you win but bad when
you lose
That's what Rishi Sunak believes. Remember that little speech he made
outside No.10 after George Galloway was legitimately elected to the House
of Commons recently? Like Galloway or loathe him, he *was* legitimately
elected and it's not for anyone to try overturning it.
Post by Ottavio Caruso
(Before you make silly comparisons wit Br*xit: L*bour leaders are
notoriously incapable of eating a ham sandwich, let alone revolt in the
street)
I actually like this: it makes us Italians look composed, measured,
reliable, predictable, even boring.
Yes, quite so! :-D
Reform UK are the ones currently under attack by dark, antidemocratic
forces - chiefly the Lefty BBC. But all the main media channels have been
desperate to air-brush Reform out of the public's consciousness since that
first major TV debate when support for Reform instantly doubled overnight
thanks to a typically charismatic performance by Nigel Farage.
And of course there's Trump in America who's being attacked by a
weaponised legal system desperate to de-rail his prospects of re-election
come November. And again, this the dirty work of Left-wing, ironically-
named 'Democratic Party.'
These underhand tactics by the Left are going to start civil wars in many
Western countries by the way they're carrying on.
If you forget Left and Right and look at politics in another way, what
is happening in Europe and the USA is a revolt against the Man. Remote
uncaring idiotic and incompetent bureaucratic government. Whether its in
France Germany or Ukraine, its the forces of 'we want our own country
back' against foreign or supra national interests - Russia, the EU,
globalised corporations and bankers or in the case of the USA a cabal of
corrupt democrats who run the party and the country for their own benefit.
Its a shame the only alternative is, in the UK labour, and in the USA,
Trump.
But their clay feet will soon become apparent.
A vote for Labour will be a vote for Reform in 2029.
ROFL. 4 MP's (double what I predicted).
The Natural Philosopher
2024-07-05 11:32:44 UTC
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Post by The Natural Philosopher
Post by Cursitor Doom
Post by Ottavio Caruso
The Fr*nch L*ftards have declared they will start a civil war if the
people of Fr*nce democratically elect a right wing party to lead the
country.
Same thing in Germany right now. The AFD Party - a recent force on the
centre right which enjoys about 40% support currently - is under threat of
being banned as "extremist"(!) and they actually have parliamentarians
from one of the other established parties stating they will try to get a
Bill through to achieve this. Naturally those pressing for the abolition
of the AFD are Lefties, just as in France.
Post by Ottavio Caruso
Am I right in thinking democracy is only good when you win but bad when
you lose
That's what Rishi Sunak believes. Remember that little speech he made
outside No.10 after George Galloway was legitimately elected to the House
of Commons recently? Like Galloway or loathe him, he *was* legitimately
elected and it's not for anyone to try overturning it.
Post by Ottavio Caruso
(Before you make silly comparisons wit Br*xit: L*bour leaders are
notoriously incapable of eating a ham sandwich, let alone revolt in the
street)
I actually like this: it makes us Italians look composed, measured,
reliable, predictable, even boring.
Yes, quite so! :-D
Reform UK are the ones currently under attack by dark, antidemocratic
forces - chiefly the Lefty BBC. But all the main media channels have been
desperate to air-brush Reform out of the public's consciousness since that
first major TV debate when support for Reform instantly doubled overnight
thanks to a typically charismatic performance by Nigel Farage.
And of course there's Trump in America who's being attacked by a
weaponised legal system desperate to de-rail his prospects of re-election
come November. And again, this the dirty work of Left-wing, ironically-
named 'Democratic Party.'
These underhand tactics by the Left are going to start civil wars in many
Western countries by the way they're carrying on.
If you forget Left and Right and look at politics in another way, what
is happening in Europe and the USA is a revolt against the Man. Remote
uncaring idiotic and incompetent bureaucratic government. Whether its
in France Germany or Ukraine, its the forces of 'we want our own
country back' against foreign or supra national interests - Russia,
the EU, globalised corporations and bankers or in the case of the USA
a cabal of corrupt democrats who run the party and the country for
their own benefit.
Its a shame the only alternative is, in the UK labour, and in the USA,
Trump.
But their clay feet will soon become apparent.
A vote for Labour will be a vote for Reform in 2029.
ROFL. 4 MP's (double what I predicted).
You are entitled to laugh in 2029, not before.
Reform polled more than the Lib Dems.

Those voters are not going to vanish.

If they push past 20% nationally they are the official opposition, Past
25% and they become kingmakers
--
“A leader is best When people barely know he exists. Of a good leader,
who talks little,When his work is done, his aim fulfilled,They will say,
“We did this ourselves.”

― Lao Tzu, Tao Te Ching
Cursitor Doom
2024-07-05 23:40:04 UTC
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Post by Andrew
Post by The Natural Philosopher
Post by Cursitor Doom
Post by Ottavio Caruso
The Fr*nch L*ftards have declared they will start a civil war if the
people of Fr*nce democratically elect a right wing party to lead the
country.
Same thing in Germany right now. The AFD Party - a recent force on the
centre right which enjoys about 40% support currently - is under threat of
being banned as "extremist"(!) and they actually have parliamentarians
from one of the other established parties stating they will try to get a
Bill through to achieve this. Naturally those pressing for the abolition
of the AFD are Lefties, just as in France.
Post by Ottavio Caruso
Am I right in thinking democracy is only good when you win but bad when
you lose
That's what Rishi Sunak believes. Remember that little speech he made
outside No.10 after George Galloway was legitimately elected to the House
of Commons recently? Like Galloway or loathe him, he *was* legitimately
elected and it's not for anyone to try overturning it.
Post by Ottavio Caruso
(Before you make silly comparisons wit Br*xit: L*bour leaders are
notoriously incapable of eating a ham sandwich, let alone revolt in the
street)
I actually like this: it makes us Italians look composed, measured,
reliable, predictable, even boring.
Yes, quite so! :-D
Reform UK are the ones currently under attack by dark, antidemocratic
forces - chiefly the Lefty BBC. But all the main media channels have been
desperate to air-brush Reform out of the public's consciousness since that
first major TV debate when support for Reform instantly doubled overnight
thanks to a typically charismatic performance by Nigel Farage.
And of course there's Trump in America who's being attacked by a
weaponised legal system desperate to de-rail his prospects of re-election
come November. And again, this the dirty work of Left-wing, ironically-
named 'Democratic Party.'
These underhand tactics by the Left are going to start civil wars in many
Western countries by the way they're carrying on.
If you forget Left and Right and look at politics in another way, what
is happening in Europe and the USA is a revolt against the Man. Remote
uncaring idiotic and incompetent bureaucratic government. Whether its
in France Germany or Ukraine, its the forces of 'we want our own
country back' against foreign or supra national interests - Russia,
the EU, globalised corporations and bankers or in the case of the USA
a cabal of corrupt democrats who run the party and the country for
their own benefit.
Its a shame the only alternative is, in the UK labour, and in the USA,
Trump.
But their clay feet will soon become apparent.
A vote for Labour will be a vote for Reform in 2029.
ROFL. 4 MP's (double what I predicted).
You are entitled to laugh in 2029, not before.
Reform polled more than the Lib Dems.
Yep, half a million more. I was astonished at the level of support for
Reform. The 5 seats they won don't reflect that in any way.
There's a dearth of quality in the CP right now ( has been for a few
years in fact). Nigel's Reform (with Nigel at the helm) will become
the de facto principal Opposition to Labour for the foreseable future.
Post by The Natural Philosopher
Those voters are not going to vanish.
If they push past 20% nationally they are the official opposition, Past
25% and they become kingmakers
Fakir Neejit
2024-07-06 08:55:43 UTC
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On Fri, 5 Jul 2024 12:32:44 +0100, The Natural Philosopher
Post by The Natural Philosopher
Post by Andrew
Post by The Natural Philosopher
Post by Cursitor Doom
Post by Ottavio Caruso
The Fr*nch L*ftards have declared they will start a civil war if the
people of Fr*nce democratically elect a right wing party to lead the
country.
Same thing in Germany right now. The AFD Party - a recent force on the
centre right which enjoys about 40% support currently - is under threat of
being banned as "extremist"(!) and they actually have parliamentarians
from one of the other established parties stating they will try to get a
Bill through to achieve this. Naturally those pressing for the abolition
of the AFD are Lefties, just as in France.
Post by Ottavio Caruso
Am I right in thinking democracy is only good when you win but bad when
you lose
That's what Rishi Sunak believes. Remember that little speech he made
outside No.10 after George Galloway was legitimately elected to the House
of Commons recently? Like Galloway or loathe him, he *was* legitimately
elected and it's not for anyone to try overturning it.
Post by Ottavio Caruso
(Before you make silly comparisons wit Br*xit: L*bour leaders are
notoriously incapable of eating a ham sandwich, let alone revolt in the
street)
I actually like this: it makes us Italians look composed, measured,
reliable, predictable, even boring.
Yes, quite so! :-D
Reform UK are the ones currently under attack by dark, antidemocratic
forces - chiefly the Lefty BBC. But all the main media channels have been
desperate to air-brush Reform out of the public's consciousness since that
first major TV debate when support for Reform instantly doubled overnight
thanks to a typically charismatic performance by Nigel Farage.
And of course there's Trump in America who's being attacked by a
weaponised legal system desperate to de-rail his prospects of re-election
come November. And again, this the dirty work of Left-wing, ironically-
named 'Democratic Party.'
These underhand tactics by the Left are going to start civil wars in many
Western countries by the way they're carrying on.
If you forget Left and Right and look at politics in another way, what
is happening in Europe and the USA is a revolt against the Man. Remote
uncaring idiotic and incompetent bureaucratic government. Whether its
in France Germany or Ukraine, its the forces of 'we want our own
country back' against foreign or supra national interests - Russia,
the EU, globalised corporations and bankers or in the case of the USA
a cabal of corrupt democrats who run the party and the country for
their own benefit.
Its a shame the only alternative is, in the UK labour, and in the USA,
Trump.
But their clay feet will soon become apparent.
A vote for Labour will be a vote for Reform in 2029.
ROFL. 4 MP's (double what I predicted).
You are entitled to laugh in 2029, not before.
Reform polled more than the Lib Dems.
Yep, half a million more. I was astonished at the level of support for
Reform. The 5 seats they won don't reflect that in any way.
There's a dearth of quality in the CP right now ( has been for a few
years in fact). Nigel's Reform (with Nigel at the helm) will become
the de facto principal Opposition to Labour for the foreseable future.
Bullshit!

Most of Reform's "support" came from disgruntled Nasty party voters.
Strip those away and it's a different picture.

Farage will soon become frustrated and disillusioned and will bale out
like the odiouis little toerag always does. Then Reform will go the
way of UKIP and the Brexit party.
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Post by The Natural Philosopher
Those voters are not going to vanish.
If they push past 20% nationally they are the official opposition, Past
25% and they become kingmakers
Cursitor Doom
2024-07-06 11:53:12 UTC
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Post by The Natural Philosopher
Post by Andrew
Post by The Natural Philosopher
Post by Cursitor Doom
Post by Ottavio Caruso
The Fr*nch L*ftards have declared they will start a civil war if
the people of Fr*nce democratically elect a right wing party to
lead the country.
Same thing in Germany right now. The AFD Party - a recent force on
the centre right which enjoys about 40% support currently - is
under threat of being banned as "extremist"(!) and they actually
have parliamentarians from one of the other established parties
stating they will try to get a Bill through to achieve this.
Naturally those pressing for the abolition of the AFD are Lefties,
just as in France.
Post by Ottavio Caruso
Am I right in thinking democracy is only good when you win but bad
when you lose
That's what Rishi Sunak believes. Remember that little speech he
made outside No.10 after George Galloway was legitimately elected
to the House of Commons recently? Like Galloway or loathe him, he
*was* legitimately elected and it's not for anyone to try
overturning it.
Post by Ottavio Caruso
(Before you make silly comparisons wit Br*xit: L*bour leaders are
notoriously incapable of eating a ham sandwich, let alone revolt
in the street)
I actually like this: it makes us Italians look composed,
measured, reliable, predictable, even boring.
Yes, quite so! :-D Reform UK are the ones currently under attack by
dark, antidemocratic forces - chiefly the Lefty BBC. But all the
main media channels have been desperate to air-brush Reform out of
the public's consciousness since that first major TV debate when
support for Reform instantly doubled overnight thanks to a
typically charismatic performance by Nigel Farage.
And of course there's Trump in America who's being attacked by a
weaponised legal system desperate to de-rail his prospects of
re-election come November. And again, this the dirty work of
Left-wing, ironically- named 'Democratic Party.'
These underhand tactics by the Left are going to start civil wars
in many Western countries by the way they're carrying on.
If you forget Left and Right and look at politics in another way,
what is happening in Europe and the USA is a revolt against the Man.
Remote uncaring idiotic and incompetent bureaucratic government.
Whether its in France Germany or Ukraine, its the forces of 'we want
our own country back' against foreign or supra national interests -
Russia, the EU, globalised corporations and bankers or in the case
of the USA a cabal of corrupt democrats who run the party and the
country for their own benefit.
Its a shame the only alternative is, in the UK labour, and in the USA,
Trump.
But their clay feet will soon become apparent.
A vote for Labour will be a vote for Reform in 2029.
ROFL. 4 MP's (double what I predicted).
You are entitled to laugh in 2029, not before.
Reform polled more than the Lib Dems.
Yep, half a million more. I was astonished at the level of support for
Reform. The 5 seats they won don't reflect that in any way.
There's a dearth of quality in the CP right now ( has been for a few
years in fact). Nigel's Reform (with Nigel at the helm) will become the
de facto principal Opposition to Labour for the foreseable future.
Bullshit!
Most of Reform's "support" came from disgruntled Nasty party voters.
Strip those away and it's a different picture.
Farage will soon become frustrated and disillusioned and will bale out
like the odiouis little toerag always does. Then Reform will go the way
of UKIP and the Brexit party.
I can see why you chose your very apt screen name.
Fakir Neejit
2024-07-06 12:44:45 UTC
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Post by Fakir Neejit
Post by Cursitor Doom
On Fri, 5 Jul 2024 12:32:44 +0100, The Natural Philosopher
Post by The Natural Philosopher
Post by Andrew
Post by The Natural Philosopher
Post by Cursitor Doom
Post by Ottavio Caruso
The Fr*nch L*ftards have declared they will start a civil war if
the people of Fr*nce democratically elect a right wing party to
lead the country.
Same thing in Germany right now. The AFD Party - a recent force on
the centre right which enjoys about 40% support currently - is
under threat of being banned as "extremist"(!) and they actually
have parliamentarians from one of the other established parties
stating they will try to get a Bill through to achieve this.
Naturally those pressing for the abolition of the AFD are Lefties,
just as in France.
Post by Ottavio Caruso
Am I right in thinking democracy is only good when you win but bad
when you lose
That's what Rishi Sunak believes. Remember that little speech he
made outside No.10 after George Galloway was legitimately elected
to the House of Commons recently? Like Galloway or loathe him, he
*was* legitimately elected and it's not for anyone to try
overturning it.
Post by Ottavio Caruso
(Before you make silly comparisons wit Br*xit: L*bour leaders are
notoriously incapable of eating a ham sandwich, let alone revolt
in the street)
I actually like this: it makes us Italians look composed,
measured, reliable, predictable, even boring.
Yes, quite so! :-D Reform UK are the ones currently under attack by
dark, antidemocratic forces - chiefly the Lefty BBC. But all the
main media channels have been desperate to air-brush Reform out of
the public's consciousness since that first major TV debate when
support for Reform instantly doubled overnight thanks to a
typically charismatic performance by Nigel Farage.
And of course there's Trump in America who's being attacked by a
weaponised legal system desperate to de-rail his prospects of
re-election come November. And again, this the dirty work of
Left-wing, ironically- named 'Democratic Party.'
These underhand tactics by the Left are going to start civil wars
in many Western countries by the way they're carrying on.
If you forget Left and Right and look at politics in another way,
what is happening in Europe and the USA is a revolt against the Man.
Remote uncaring idiotic and incompetent bureaucratic government.
Whether its in France Germany or Ukraine, its the forces of 'we want
our own country back' against foreign or supra national interests -
Russia, the EU, globalised corporations and bankers or in the case
of the USA a cabal of corrupt democrats who run the party and the
country for their own benefit.
Its a shame the only alternative is, in the UK labour, and in the USA,
Trump.
But their clay feet will soon become apparent.
A vote for Labour will be a vote for Reform in 2029.
ROFL. 4 MP's (double what I predicted).
You are entitled to laugh in 2029, not before.
Reform polled more than the Lib Dems.
Yep, half a million more. I was astonished at the level of support for
Reform. The 5 seats they won don't reflect that in any way.
There's a dearth of quality in the CP right now ( has been for a few
years in fact). Nigel's Reform (with Nigel at the helm) will become the
de facto principal Opposition to Labour for the foreseable future.
Bullshit!
Most of Reform's "support" came from disgruntled Nasty party voters.
Strip those away and it's a different picture.
Farage will soon become frustrated and disillusioned and will bale out
like the odiouis little toerag always does. Then Reform will go the way
of UKIP and the Brexit party.
I can see why you chose your very apt screen name.
You know I'm right. Just wait and see.

By the way, why are you so bothered when you don't even live here?
Cursitor Doom
2024-07-07 08:15:17 UTC
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On Sat, 6 Jul 2024 11:53:12 -0000 (UTC), Cursitor Doom
Post by Cursitor Doom
Post by Fakir Neejit
Post by Cursitor Doom
On Fri, 5 Jul 2024 12:32:44 +0100, The Natural Philosopher
Post by The Natural Philosopher
Post by Andrew
Post by The Natural Philosopher
Post by Cursitor Doom
Post by Ottavio Caruso
The Fr*nch L*ftards have declared they will start a civil war if
the people of Fr*nce democratically elect a right wing party to
lead the country.
Same thing in Germany right now. The AFD Party - a recent force
on the centre right which enjoys about 40% support currently - is
under threat of being banned as "extremist"(!) and they actually
have parliamentarians from one of the other established parties
stating they will try to get a Bill through to achieve this.
Naturally those pressing for the abolition of the AFD are
Lefties, just as in France.
Post by Ottavio Caruso
Am I right in thinking democracy is only good when you win but
bad when you lose
That's what Rishi Sunak believes. Remember that little speech he
made outside No.10 after George Galloway was legitimately elected
to the House of Commons recently? Like Galloway or loathe him, he
*was* legitimately elected and it's not for anyone to try
overturning it.
Post by Ottavio Caruso
(Before you make silly comparisons wit Br*xit: L*bour leaders
are notoriously incapable of eating a ham sandwich, let alone
revolt in the street)
I actually like this: it makes us Italians look composed,
measured, reliable, predictable, even boring.
Yes, quite so! :-D Reform UK are the ones currently under attack
by dark, antidemocratic forces - chiefly the Lefty BBC. But all
the main media channels have been desperate to air-brush Reform
out of the public's consciousness since that first major TV
debate when support for Reform instantly doubled overnight thanks
to a typically charismatic performance by Nigel Farage.
And of course there's Trump in America who's being attacked by a
weaponised legal system desperate to de-rail his prospects of
re-election come November. And again, this the dirty work of
Left-wing, ironically- named 'Democratic Party.'
These underhand tactics by the Left are going to start civil wars
in many Western countries by the way they're carrying on.
If you forget Left and Right and look at politics in another way,
what is happening in Europe and the USA is a revolt against the Man.
Remote uncaring idiotic and incompetent bureaucratic government.
Whether its in France Germany or Ukraine, its the forces of 'we
want our own country back' against foreign or supra national
interests - Russia, the EU, globalised corporations and bankers or
in the case of the USA a cabal of corrupt democrats who run the
party and the country for their own benefit.
Its a shame the only alternative is, in the UK labour, and in the USA,
Trump.
But their clay feet will soon become apparent.
A vote for Labour will be a vote for Reform in 2029.
ROFL. 4 MP's (double what I predicted).
You are entitled to laugh in 2029, not before.
Reform polled more than the Lib Dems.
Yep, half a million more. I was astonished at the level of support for
Reform. The 5 seats they won don't reflect that in any way.
There's a dearth of quality in the CP right now ( has been for a few
years in fact). Nigel's Reform (with Nigel at the helm) will become
the de facto principal Opposition to Labour for the foreseable future.
Bullshit!
Most of Reform's "support" came from disgruntled Nasty party voters.
Strip those away and it's a different picture.
Farage will soon become frustrated and disillusioned and will bale out
like the odiouis little toerag always does. Then Reform will go the
way of UKIP and the Brexit party.
I can see why you chose your very apt screen name.
You know I'm right. Just wait and see.
The only way that would happen would be for Nigel to succeed in his aim to
enact a reverse takeover of the Tory Party. Then UKIP, Brexit and Reform
Parties will be seen with hindsight to be all just stepping stones to
Downing Street and the premiership of the UK.
Post by Fakir Neejit
By the way, why are you so bothered when you don't even live here?
It would be nice to return home one day, if saner times prevail at some
future point.
Fakit Neejit
2024-07-07 11:41:19 UTC
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On Sun, 7 Jul 2024 08:15:17 -0000 (UTC), Cursitor Doom
Post by Cursitor Doom
Post by Fakir Neejit
On Sat, 6 Jul 2024 11:53:12 -0000 (UTC), Cursitor Doom
Post by Cursitor Doom
Post by Fakir Neejit
Post by Cursitor Doom
On Fri, 5 Jul 2024 12:32:44 +0100, The Natural Philosopher
Post by The Natural Philosopher
Post by Andrew
Post by The Natural Philosopher
Post by Cursitor Doom
Post by Ottavio Caruso
The Fr*nch L*ftards have declared they will start a civil war if
the people of Fr*nce democratically elect a right wing party to
lead the country.
Same thing in Germany right now. The AFD Party - a recent force
on the centre right which enjoys about 40% support currently - is
under threat of being banned as "extremist"(!) and they actually
have parliamentarians from one of the other established parties
stating they will try to get a Bill through to achieve this.
Naturally those pressing for the abolition of the AFD are
Lefties, just as in France.
Post by Ottavio Caruso
Am I right in thinking democracy is only good when you win but
bad when you lose
That's what Rishi Sunak believes. Remember that little speech he
made outside No.10 after George Galloway was legitimately elected
to the House of Commons recently? Like Galloway or loathe him, he
*was* legitimately elected and it's not for anyone to try
overturning it.
Post by Ottavio Caruso
(Before you make silly comparisons wit Br*xit: L*bour leaders
are notoriously incapable of eating a ham sandwich, let alone
revolt in the street)
I actually like this: it makes us Italians look composed,
measured, reliable, predictable, even boring.
Yes, quite so! :-D Reform UK are the ones currently under attack
by dark, antidemocratic forces - chiefly the Lefty BBC. But all
the main media channels have been desperate to air-brush Reform
out of the public's consciousness since that first major TV
debate when support for Reform instantly doubled overnight thanks
to a typically charismatic performance by Nigel Farage.
And of course there's Trump in America who's being attacked by a
weaponised legal system desperate to de-rail his prospects of
re-election come November. And again, this the dirty work of
Left-wing, ironically- named 'Democratic Party.'
These underhand tactics by the Left are going to start civil wars
in many Western countries by the way they're carrying on.
If you forget Left and Right and look at politics in another way,
what is happening in Europe and the USA is a revolt against the Man.
Remote uncaring idiotic and incompetent bureaucratic government.
Whether its in France Germany or Ukraine, its the forces of 'we
want our own country back' against foreign or supra national
interests - Russia, the EU, globalised corporations and bankers or
in the case of the USA a cabal of corrupt democrats who run the
party and the country for their own benefit.
Its a shame the only alternative is, in the UK labour, and in the USA,
Trump.
But their clay feet will soon become apparent.
A vote for Labour will be a vote for Reform in 2029.
ROFL. 4 MP's (double what I predicted).
You are entitled to laugh in 2029, not before.
Reform polled more than the Lib Dems.
Yep, half a million more. I was astonished at the level of support for
Reform. The 5 seats they won don't reflect that in any way.
There's a dearth of quality in the CP right now ( has been for a few
years in fact). Nigel's Reform (with Nigel at the helm) will become
the de facto principal Opposition to Labour for the foreseable future.
Bullshit!
Most of Reform's "support" came from disgruntled Nasty party voters.
Strip those away and it's a different picture.
Farage will soon become frustrated and disillusioned and will bale out
like the odiouis little toerag always does. Then Reform will go the
way of UKIP and the Brexit party.
I can see why you chose your very apt screen name.
You know I'm right. Just wait and see.
The only way that would happen would be for Nigel to succeed in his aim to
enact a reverse takeover of the Tory Party. Then UKIP, Brexit and Reform
Parties will be seen with hindsight to be all just stepping stones to
Downing Street and the premiership of the UK.
Post by Fakir Neejit
By the way, why are you so bothered when you don't even live here?
It would be nice to return home one day, if saner times prevail at some
future point.
Nice for who?
Andrew
2024-07-07 12:50:12 UTC
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On Sat, 6 Jul 2024 11:53:12 -0000 (UTC), Cursitor Doom
Post by Cursitor Doom
Post by Fakir Neejit
Post by Cursitor Doom
On Fri, 5 Jul 2024 12:32:44 +0100, The Natural Philosopher
Post by The Natural Philosopher
Post by Andrew
Post by The Natural Philosopher
Post by Cursitor Doom
Post by Ottavio Caruso
The Fr*nch L*ftards have declared they will start a civil war if
the people of Fr*nce democratically elect a right wing party to
lead the country.
Same thing in Germany right now. The AFD Party - a recent force
on the centre right which enjoys about 40% support currently - is
under threat of being banned as "extremist"(!) and they actually
have parliamentarians from one of the other established parties
stating they will try to get a Bill through to achieve this.
Naturally those pressing for the abolition of the AFD are
Lefties, just as in France.
Post by Ottavio Caruso
Am I right in thinking democracy is only good when you win but
bad when you lose
That's what Rishi Sunak believes. Remember that little speech he
made outside No.10 after George Galloway was legitimately elected
to the House of Commons recently? Like Galloway or loathe him, he
*was* legitimately elected and it's not for anyone to try
overturning it.
Post by Ottavio Caruso
(Before you make silly comparisons wit Br*xit: L*bour leaders
are notoriously incapable of eating a ham sandwich, let alone
revolt in the street)
I actually like this: it makes us Italians look composed,
measured, reliable, predictable, even boring.
Yes, quite so! :-D Reform UK are the ones currently under attack
by dark, antidemocratic forces - chiefly the Lefty BBC. But all
the main media channels have been desperate to air-brush Reform
out of the public's consciousness since that first major TV
debate when support for Reform instantly doubled overnight thanks
to a typically charismatic performance by Nigel Farage.
And of course there's Trump in America who's being attacked by a
weaponised legal system desperate to de-rail his prospects of
re-election come November. And again, this the dirty work of
Left-wing, ironically- named 'Democratic Party.'
These underhand tactics by the Left are going to start civil wars
in many Western countries by the way they're carrying on.
If you forget Left and Right and look at politics in another way,
what is happening in Europe and the USA is a revolt against the Man.
Remote uncaring idiotic and incompetent bureaucratic government.
Whether its in France Germany or Ukraine, its the forces of 'we
want our own country back' against foreign or supra national
interests - Russia, the EU, globalised corporations and bankers or
in the case of the USA a cabal of corrupt democrats who run the
party and the country for their own benefit.
Its a shame the only alternative is, in the UK labour, and in the USA,
Trump.
But their clay feet will soon become apparent.
A vote for Labour will be a vote for Reform in 2029.
ROFL. 4 MP's (double what I predicted).
You are entitled to laugh in 2029, not before.
Reform polled more than the Lib Dems.
Yep, half a million more. I was astonished at the level of support for
Reform. The 5 seats they won don't reflect that in any way.
There's a dearth of quality in the CP right now ( has been for a few
years in fact). Nigel's Reform (with Nigel at the helm) will become
the de facto principal Opposition to Labour for the foreseable future.
Bullshit!
Most of Reform's "support" came from disgruntled Nasty party voters.
Strip those away and it's a different picture.
Farage will soon become frustrated and disillusioned and will bale out
like the odiouis little toerag always does. Then Reform will go the
way of UKIP and the Brexit party.
I can see why you chose your very apt screen name.
You know I'm right. Just wait and see.
The only way that would happen would be for Nigel to succeed in his aim to
enact a reverse takeover of the Tory Party. Then UKIP, Brexit and Reform
Parties will be seen with hindsight to be all just stepping stones to
Downing Street and the premiership of the UK.
Err, no. They will be seen to include former National Front and British
national Party activists. The skinheads from 40+ years ago who lived in
the outer London suburbs, Millwall, West 'am, etc and have since moved
to Sarfend, Jaywick and Clacton to get away from the 'new' residents
of their home stomping ground, turning pubs into mosques etc.

These are the people who voted for Farage.
Post by Cursitor Doom
Post by Fakir Neejit
By the way, why are you so bothered when you don't even live here?
It would be nice to return home one day, if saner times prevail at some
future point.
Pamela
2024-07-06 09:46:40 UTC
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On Fri, 5 Jul 2024 12:32:44 +0100, The Natural Philosopher
Post by The Natural Philosopher
Post by Andrew
Post by The Natural Philosopher
Post by Cursitor Doom
Post by Ottavio Caruso
The Fr*nch L*ftards have declared they will start a civil war if
the people of Fr*nce democratically elect a right wing party to
lead the country.
Same thing in Germany right now. The AFD Party - a recent force on
the centre right which enjoys about 40% support currently - is
under threat of
being banned as "extremist"(!) and they actually have
parliamentarians from one of the other established parties stating
they will try to get a Bill through to achieve this. Naturally
those pressing for the abolition of the AFD are Lefties, just as
in France.
Post by Ottavio Caruso
Am I right in thinking democracy is only good when you win but
bad when you lose
That's what Rishi Sunak believes. Remember that little speech he
made outside No.10 after George Galloway was legitimately elected
to the House
of Commons recently? Like Galloway or loathe him, he *was*
legitimately elected and it's not for anyone to try overturning
it.
Post by Ottavio Caruso
(Before you make silly comparisons wit Br*xit: L*bour leaders are
notoriously incapable of eating a ham sandwich, let alone revolt
in the street)
I actually like this: it makes us Italians look composed,
measured, reliable, predictable, even boring.
Yes, quite so! :-D
Reform UK are the ones currently under attack by dark,
antidemocratic forces - chiefly the Lefty BBC. But all the main
media channels have been
desperate to air-brush Reform out of the public's consciousness since that
first major TV debate when support for Reform instantly doubled overnight
thanks to a typically charismatic performance by Nigel Farage.
And of course there's Trump in America who's being attacked by a
weaponised legal system desperate to de-rail his prospects of re-election
come November. And again, this the dirty work of Left-wing,
ironically- named 'Democratic Party.'
These underhand tactics by the Left are going to start civil wars in many
Western countries by the way they're carrying on.
If you forget Left and Right and look at politics in another way,
what is happening in Europe and the USA is a revolt against the
Man. Remote uncaring idiotic and incompetent bureaucratic
government. Whether its in France Germany or Ukraine, its the
forces of 'we want our own country back' against foreign or supra
national interests - Russia, the EU, globalised corporations and
bankers or in the case of the USA a cabal of corrupt democrats who
run the party and the country for their own benefit.
Its a shame the only alternative is, in the UK labour, and in the
USA, Trump.
But their clay feet will soon become apparent.
A vote for Labour will be a vote for Reform in 2029.
ROFL. 4 MP's (double what I predicted).
You are entitled to laugh in 2029, not before.
Reform polled more than the Lib Dems.
Yep, half a million more. I was astonished at the level of support for
Reform. The 5 seats they won don't reflect that in any way.
There's a dearth of quality in the CP right now ( has been for a few
years in fact). Nigel's Reform (with Nigel at the helm) will become
the de facto principal Opposition to Labour for the foreseable future.
What's the final figure for the number of votes cast for Reform?
Andy Burns
2024-07-06 09:59:32 UTC
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What's the final figure for the number of votes cast for Reform?
4,114,287
The Natural Philosopher
2024-07-06 10:56:26 UTC
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Post by Pamela
What's the final figure for the number of votes cast for Reform?
4,114,287
For context, that is about 9% of the total electorate, but about 16% of
those who bothered to vote.

The interest is whether over the next 5 years Reform manage to
accumulate more and overtake the Tories, or whether the Tories can
actually assemble a convincing political party from the ruins of their
ambitions.

Remember, corporate sponsors don't back losers.
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Rod Speed
2024-07-06 19:07:13 UTC
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Post by Andy Burns
Post by Pamela
What's the final figure for the number of votes cast for Reform?
4,114,287
For context, that is about 9% of the total electorate, but about 16% of
those who bothered to vote.
14% actually
Post by The Natural Philosopher
The interest is whether over the next 5 years Reform manage to
accumulate more and overtake the Tories,
Not a chance
Post by The Natural Philosopher
or whether the Tories can actually assemble a convincing political party
from the ruins of their ambitions.
Not a chance
Post by The Natural Philosopher
Remember, corporate sponsors don't back losers.
It isnt about sponsors.
Andrew
2024-07-07 12:52:02 UTC
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Post by Andy Burns
Post by Pamela
What's the final figure for the number of votes cast for Reform?
4,114,287
For context, that is about 9% of the total electorate, but about 16% of
those who bothered to vote.
The interest is whether over the next 5 years Reform manage to
accumulate more and overtake the Tories, or whether the Tories can
actually assemble a convincing political party from the ruins of their
ambitions.
Remember, corporate sponsors don't back losers.
Nor do they associate with the sort of loony, racists misfits who
stood as candidates for 'reform'.
Bob Eager
2024-07-06 11:16:15 UTC
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Post by Cursitor Doom
On Fri, 5 Jul 2024 12:32:44 +0100, The Natural Philosopher
Post by The Natural Philosopher
Post by Andrew
Post by The Natural Philosopher
Post by Cursitor Doom
Post by Ottavio Caruso
The Fr*nch L*ftards have declared they will start a civil war if
the people of Fr*nce democratically elect a right wing party to
lead the country.
Same thing in Germany right now. The AFD Party - a recent force on
the centre right which enjoys about 40% support currently - is
under threat of being banned as "extremist"(!) and they actually
have parliamentarians from one of the other established parties
stating they will try to get a Bill through to achieve this.
Naturally those pressing for the abolition of the AFD are Lefties,
just as in France.
Post by Ottavio Caruso
Am I right in thinking democracy is only good when you win but bad
when you lose
That's what Rishi Sunak believes. Remember that little speech he
made outside No.10 after George Galloway was legitimately elected
to the House of Commons recently? Like Galloway or loathe him, he
*was* legitimately elected and it's not for anyone to try
overturning it.
Post by Ottavio Caruso
(Before you make silly comparisons wit Br*xit: L*bour leaders are
notoriously incapable of eating a ham sandwich, let alone revolt
in the street)
I actually like this: it makes us Italians look composed,
measured, reliable, predictable, even boring.
Yes, quite so! :-D Reform UK are the ones currently under attack by
dark, antidemocratic forces - chiefly the Lefty BBC. But all the
main media channels have been desperate to air-brush Reform out of
the public's consciousness since that first major TV debate when
support for Reform instantly doubled overnight thanks to a
typically charismatic performance by Nigel Farage.
And of course there's Trump in America who's being attacked by a
weaponised legal system desperate to de-rail his prospects of
re-election come November. And again, this the dirty work of
Left-wing, ironically- named 'Democratic Party.'
These underhand tactics by the Left are going to start civil wars
in many Western countries by the way they're carrying on.
If you forget Left and Right and look at politics in another way,
what is happening in Europe and the USA is a revolt against the Man.
Remote uncaring idiotic and incompetent bureaucratic government.
Whether its in France Germany or Ukraine, its the forces of 'we want
our own country back' against foreign or supra national interests -
Russia, the EU, globalised corporations and bankers or in the case
of the USA a cabal of corrupt democrats who run the party and the
country for their own benefit.
Its a shame the only alternative is, in the UK labour, and in the
USA, Trump.
But their clay feet will soon become apparent.
A vote for Labour will be a vote for Reform in 2029.
ROFL. 4 MP's (double what I predicted).
You are entitled to laugh in 2029, not before.
Reform polled more than the Lib Dems.
Yep, half a million more. I was astonished at the level of support for
Reform. The 5 seats they won don't reflect that in any way.
There's a dearth of quality in the CP right now ( has been for a few
years in fact). Nigel's Reform (with Nigel at the helm) will become the
de facto principal Opposition to Labour for the foreseable future.
What's the final figure for the number of votes cast for Reform?
4,072,947

Depressingly high for a bunch of grifting charlatans.
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alan_m
2024-07-06 11:35:31 UTC
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4,072,947
Depressingly high for a bunch of grifting charlatans.
labour 9.7 million
tory 6.8 million

Depressingly high numbers for a bunch of grifting charlatans
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The Natural Philosopher
2024-07-06 12:14:00 UTC
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   4,072,947
Depressingly high for a bunch of grifting charlatans.
labour 9.7 million
tory   6.8 million
Depressingly high numbers for a bunch of grifting charlatans
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M. de Voltaire
Cursitor Doom
2024-07-06 11:57:50 UTC
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On Fri, 5 Jul 2024 12:32:44 +0100, The Natural Philosopher
Post by The Natural Philosopher
Post by Andrew
Post by The Natural Philosopher
Post by Cursitor Doom
Post by Ottavio Caruso
The Fr*nch L*ftards have declared they will start a civil war if
the people of Fr*nce democratically elect a right wing party to
lead the country.
Same thing in Germany right now. The AFD Party - a recent force on
the centre right which enjoys about 40% support currently - is
under threat of being banned as "extremist"(!) and they actually
have parliamentarians from one of the other established parties
stating they will try to get a Bill through to achieve this.
Naturally those pressing for the abolition of the AFD are Lefties,
just as in France.
Post by Ottavio Caruso
Am I right in thinking democracy is only good when you win but
bad when you lose
That's what Rishi Sunak believes. Remember that little speech he
made outside No.10 after George Galloway was legitimately elected
to the House of Commons recently? Like Galloway or loathe him, he
*was* legitimately elected and it's not for anyone to try
overturning it.
Post by Ottavio Caruso
(Before you make silly comparisons wit Br*xit: L*bour leaders are
notoriously incapable of eating a ham sandwich, let alone revolt
in the street)
I actually like this: it makes us Italians look composed,
measured, reliable, predictable, even boring.
Yes, quite so! :-D Reform UK are the ones currently under attack
by dark, antidemocratic forces - chiefly the Lefty BBC. But all
the main media channels have been desperate to air-brush Reform
out of the public's consciousness since that first major TV debate
when support for Reform instantly doubled overnight thanks to a
typically charismatic performance by Nigel Farage.
And of course there's Trump in America who's being attacked by a
weaponised legal system desperate to de-rail his prospects of
re-election come November. And again, this the dirty work of
Left-wing, ironically- named 'Democratic Party.'
These underhand tactics by the Left are going to start civil wars
in many Western countries by the way they're carrying on.
If you forget Left and Right and look at politics in another way,
what is happening in Europe and the USA is a revolt against the Man.
Remote uncaring idiotic and incompetent bureaucratic government.
Whether its in France Germany or Ukraine, its the forces of 'we
want our own country back' against foreign or supra national
interests - Russia, the EU, globalised corporations and bankers or
in the case of the USA a cabal of corrupt democrats who run the
party and the country for their own benefit.
Its a shame the only alternative is, in the UK labour, and in the
USA, Trump.
But their clay feet will soon become apparent.
A vote for Labour will be a vote for Reform in 2029.
ROFL. 4 MP's (double what I predicted).
You are entitled to laugh in 2029, not before.
Reform polled more than the Lib Dems.
Yep, half a million more. I was astonished at the level of support for
Reform. The 5 seats they won don't reflect that in any way.
There's a dearth of quality in the CP right now ( has been for a few
years in fact). Nigel's Reform (with Nigel at the helm) will become
the de facto principal Opposition to Labour for the foreseable future.
What's the final figure for the number of votes cast for Reform?
4,072,947
Depressingly high for a bunch of grifting charlatans.
Would have been a lot higher too, were it not for all the dirty tricks
played against them at local and national levels. My ex GF who wanted to
vote for Reform was told the candidate had dropped out by the scumbags at
her nearest polling station which was a 100% lie. I do hope that comes
back to bite them in the arse in due course.
charles
2024-07-06 13:08:02 UTC
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On Fri, 5 Jul 2024 12:32:44 +0100, The Natural Philosopher
Post by The Natural Philosopher
Post by Andrew
Post by The Natural Philosopher
Post by Cursitor Doom
Post by Ottavio Caruso
The Fr*nch L*ftards have declared they will start a civil war if
the people of Fr*nce democratically elect a right wing party to
lead the country.
Same thing in Germany right now. The AFD Party - a recent force on
the centre right which enjoys about 40% support currently - is
under threat of being banned as "extremist"(!) and they actually
have parliamentarians from one of the other established parties
stating they will try to get a Bill through to achieve this.
Naturally those pressing for the abolition of the AFD are Lefties,
just as in France.
Post by Ottavio Caruso
Am I right in thinking democracy is only good when you win but
bad when you lose
That's what Rishi Sunak believes. Remember that little speech he
made outside No.10 after George Galloway was legitimately elected
to the House of Commons recently? Like Galloway or loathe him, he
*was* legitimately elected and it's not for anyone to try
overturning it.
Post by Ottavio Caruso
(Before you make silly comparisons wit Br*xit: L*bour leaders are
notoriously incapable of eating a ham sandwich, let alone revolt
in the street)
I actually like this: it makes us Italians look composed,
measured, reliable, predictable, even boring.
Yes, quite so! :-D Reform UK are the ones currently under attack
by dark, antidemocratic forces - chiefly the Lefty BBC. But all
the main media channels have been desperate to air-brush Reform
out of the public's consciousness since that first major TV debate
when support for Reform instantly doubled overnight thanks to a
typically charismatic performance by Nigel Farage.
And of course there's Trump in America who's being attacked by a
weaponised legal system desperate to de-rail his prospects of
re-election come November. And again, this the dirty work of
Left-wing, ironically- named 'Democratic Party.'
These underhand tactics by the Left are going to start civil wars
in many Western countries by the way they're carrying on.
If you forget Left and Right and look at politics in another way,
what is happening in Europe and the USA is a revolt against the Man.
Remote uncaring idiotic and incompetent bureaucratic government.
Whether its in France Germany or Ukraine, its the forces of 'we
want our own country back' against foreign or supra national
interests - Russia, the EU, globalised corporations and bankers or
in the case of the USA a cabal of corrupt democrats who run the
party and the country for their own benefit.
Its a shame the only alternative is, in the UK labour, and in the
USA, Trump.
But their clay feet will soon become apparent.
A vote for Labour will be a vote for Reform in 2029.
ROFL. 4 MP's (double what I predicted).
You are entitled to laugh in 2029, not before.
Reform polled more than the Lib Dems.
Yep, half a million more. I was astonished at the level of support for
Reform. The 5 seats they won don't reflect that in any way.
There's a dearth of quality in the CP right now ( has been for a few
years in fact). Nigel's Reform (with Nigel at the helm) will become
the de facto principal Opposition to Labour for the foreseable future.
What's the final figure for the number of votes cast for Reform?
4,072,947
Depressingly high for a bunch of grifting charlatans.
Would have been a lot higher too, were it not for all the dirty tricks
played against them at local and national levels. My ex GF who wanted to
vote for Reform was told the candidate had dropped out by the scumbags at
her nearest polling station which was a 100% lie. I do hope that comes
back to bite them in the arse in due course.
Which "scumbags" are these? His/her name would have been on the ballot
paper.
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Adrian
2024-07-06 13:26:31 UTC
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Which "scumbags" are these? His/her name would have been on the ballot
paper.
I'm not aware of this particular case, so I'm not defending actions
taken.

However, it was reported that several candidates had announced that they
were not contesting the election, but only after the ballot papers had
gone to the printers. In that case, their name would have been on the
paper. Whether or not it is right for election officials to point out
that candidates had withdrawn is an interesting question. If I went to
vote for a candidate, and then afterwards discovered that he/she was no
longer able/wanting to take part, I think I would be entitled to feel
that I'd wasted my vote(*), and had I know before voting, may have
decided to vote for a different candidate.

* you could argue that I should have paid attention to what was going
on, but do most voters have the time/inclination to do so ?

Adrian
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2024-07-06 12:13:40 UTC
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On Fri, 5 Jul 2024 12:32:44 +0100, The Natural Philosopher
Post by The Natural Philosopher
Post by Andrew
Post by The Natural Philosopher
Post by Cursitor Doom
Post by Ottavio Caruso
The Fr*nch L*ftards have declared they will start a civil war if
the people of Fr*nce democratically elect a right wing party to
lead the country.
Same thing in Germany right now. The AFD Party - a recent force on
the centre right which enjoys about 40% support currently - is
under threat of being banned as "extremist"(!) and they actually
have parliamentarians from one of the other established parties
stating they will try to get a Bill through to achieve this.
Naturally those pressing for the abolition of the AFD are Lefties,
just as in France.
Post by Ottavio Caruso
Am I right in thinking democracy is only good when you win but bad
when you lose
That's what Rishi Sunak believes. Remember that little speech he
made outside No.10 after George Galloway was legitimately elected
to the House of Commons recently? Like Galloway or loathe him, he
*was* legitimately elected and it's not for anyone to try
overturning it.
Post by Ottavio Caruso
(Before you make silly comparisons wit Br*xit: L*bour leaders are
notoriously incapable of eating a ham sandwich, let alone revolt
in the street)
I actually like this: it makes us Italians look composed,
measured, reliable, predictable, even boring.
Yes, quite so! :-D Reform UK are the ones currently under attack by
dark, antidemocratic forces - chiefly the Lefty BBC. But all the
main media channels have been desperate to air-brush Reform out of
the public's consciousness since that first major TV debate when
support for Reform instantly doubled overnight thanks to a
typically charismatic performance by Nigel Farage.
And of course there's Trump in America who's being attacked by a
weaponised legal system desperate to de-rail his prospects of
re-election come November. And again, this the dirty work of
Left-wing, ironically- named 'Democratic Party.'
These underhand tactics by the Left are going to start civil wars
in many Western countries by the way they're carrying on.
If you forget Left and Right and look at politics in another way,
what is happening in Europe and the USA is a revolt against the Man.
Remote uncaring idiotic and incompetent bureaucratic government.
Whether its in France Germany or Ukraine, its the forces of 'we want
our own country back' against foreign or supra national interests -
Russia, the EU, globalised corporations and bankers or in the case
of the USA a cabal of corrupt democrats who run the party and the
country for their own benefit.
Its a shame the only alternative is, in the UK labour, and in the
USA, Trump.
But their clay feet will soon become apparent.
A vote for Labour will be a vote for Reform in 2029.
ROFL. 4 MP's (double what I predicted).
You are entitled to laugh in 2029, not before.
Reform polled more than the Lib Dems.
Yep, half a million more. I was astonished at the level of support for
Reform. The 5 seats they won don't reflect that in any way.
There's a dearth of quality in the CP right now ( has been for a few
years in fact). Nigel's Reform (with Nigel at the helm) will become the
de facto principal Opposition to Labour for the foreseable future.
What's the final figure for the number of votes cast for Reform?
4,072,947
Depressingly high for a bunch of grifting charlatans.
That is Reform, not the Labour party.
You can always rely on Remoaners and Labia for sneers and hatred...
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M. de Voltaire
Jeff Gaines
2024-07-06 14:56:31 UTC
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Post by Bob Eager
Post by Pamela
What's the final figure for the number of votes cast for Reform?
4,072,947
Depressingly high for a bunch of grifting charlatans.
That is Reform, not the Labour party.
You can always rely on Remoaners and Labia for sneers and hatred...
Speaking of remoaners I am very unhappy with the outcome of the election
which I put down to people voting for a party other than mine because they
(a) are of lower intelligence and (b) believe propaganda written on the
sides of busses and billboards....
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Rod Speed
2024-07-06 19:26:36 UTC
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Post by The Natural Philosopher
Post by Bob Eager
Post by Pamela
What's the final figure for the number of votes cast for Reform?
4,072,947
Depressingly high for a bunch of grifting charlatans.
That is Reform, not the Labour party.
You can always rely on Remoaners and Labia for sneers and hatred...
Speaking of remoaners I am very unhappy with the outcome of the election
which I put down to people voting for a party other than mine because
they (a) are of lower intelligence and (b) believe propaganda written on
the sides of busses and billboards....
Then do the decent thing and set fire to yourself on the
day that parliament sits again. That'll teach them.
Tim Streater
2024-07-06 13:23:28 UTC
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Post by Bob Eager
Post by Pamela
What's the final figure for the number of votes cast for Reform?
4,072,947
Depressingly high for a bunch of grifting charlatans.
You've met them all, have you, Our Bob? And done a character analysis on each?
AISB, your attitude is EXACTLY why Reform exists, and EXACTLY why Trump
exists.
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The Natural Philosopher
2024-07-06 14:11:19 UTC
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[snip]
Post by Bob Eager
Post by Pamela
What's the final figure for the number of votes cast for Reform?
4,072,947
Depressingly high for a bunch of grifting charlatans.
You've met them all, have you, Our Bob? And done a character analysis on each?
AISB, your attitude is EXACTLY why Reform exists, and EXACTLY why Trump
exists.
+4,072,947
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the state, and about the manipulation of people under the guise of a
'noble' idea. It is not an honest pursuit of 'sustainable development,'
a matter of elementary environmental protection, or a search for
rational mechanisms designed to achieve a healthy environment. Yet
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utopia of 1984.”

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Andrew
2024-07-07 12:54:15 UTC
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[snip]
Post by Pamela
What's the final figure for the number of votes cast for Reform?
   4,072,947
Depressingly high for a bunch of grifting charlatans.
You've met them all, have you, Our Bob? And done a character analysis on each?
AISB, your attitude is EXACTLY why Reform exists, and EXACTLY why Trump
exists.
+4,072,947
= 5
Andy Burns
2024-07-06 17:44:55 UTC
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Post by Pamela
What's the final figure for the number of votes cast for Reform?
4,072,947
That number seems to come from a Sky News page, at the time when 644 out
of 650 seats had been declared. Now that the Inverness seat has finally
been announced, the Reform total vote is 4,117,221
Bob Eager
2024-07-06 18:05:25 UTC
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Post by Pamela
What's the final figure for the number of votes cast for Reform?
4,072,947
That number seems to come from a Sky News page, at the time when 644 out
of 650 seats had been declared. Now that the Inverness seat has finally
been announced, the Reform total vote is 4,117,221
Yes, I didn't get it from Sky News but I realised the discrepancy and its
reason.
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Pamela
2024-07-07 09:10:36 UTC
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Post by Pamela
What's the final figure for the number of votes cast for Reform?
4,072,947
That number seems to come from a Sky News page, at the time when 644 out
of 650 seats had been declared. Now that the Inverness seat has finally
been announced, the Reform total vote is 4,117,221
Ok, thanks.
The Natural Philosopher
2024-07-07 10:01:25 UTC
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Post by Pamela
What's the final figure for the number of votes cast for Reform?
4,072,947
That number seems to come from a Sky News page, at the time when 644 out
of 650 seats had been declared.  Now that the Inverness seat has finally
been announced, the Reform total vote is 4,117,221
I bow to lata data...
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Rod Speed
2024-07-06 19:02:52 UTC
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Post by Cursitor Doom
On Fri, 5 Jul 2024 12:32:44 +0100, The Natural Philosopher
Post by The Natural Philosopher
Post by Andrew
Post by The Natural Philosopher
Post by Cursitor Doom
Post by Ottavio Caruso
The Fr*nch L*ftards have declared they will start a civil war if
the people of Fr*nce democratically elect a right wing party to
lead the country.
Same thing in Germany right now. The AFD Party - a recent force on
the centre right which enjoys about 40% support currently - is
under threat of
being banned as "extremist"(!) and they actually have
parliamentarians from one of the other established parties stating
they will try to get a Bill through to achieve this. Naturally
those pressing for the abolition of the AFD are Lefties, just as
in France.
Post by Ottavio Caruso
Am I right in thinking democracy is only good when you win but
bad when you lose
That's what Rishi Sunak believes. Remember that little speech he
made outside No.10 after George Galloway was legitimately elected
to the House
of Commons recently? Like Galloway or loathe him, he *was*
legitimately elected and it's not for anyone to try overturning
it.
Post by Ottavio Caruso
(Before you make silly comparisons wit Br*xit: L*bour leaders are
notoriously incapable of eating a ham sandwich, let alone revolt
in the street)
I actually like this: it makes us Italians look composed,
measured, reliable, predictable, even boring.
Yes, quite so! :-D
Reform UK are the ones currently under attack by dark,
antidemocratic forces - chiefly the Lefty BBC. But all the main
media channels have been
desperate to air-brush Reform out of the public's consciousness since that
first major TV debate when support for Reform instantly doubled overnight
thanks to a typically charismatic performance by Nigel Farage.
And of course there's Trump in America who's being attacked by a
weaponised legal system desperate to de-rail his prospects of re-election
come November. And again, this the dirty work of Left-wing,
ironically- named 'Democratic Party.'
These underhand tactics by the Left are going to start civil wars in many
Western countries by the way they're carrying on.
If you forget Left and Right and look at politics in another way,
what is happening in Europe and the USA is a revolt against the
Man. Remote uncaring idiotic and incompetent bureaucratic
government. Whether its in France Germany or Ukraine, its the
forces of 'we want our own country back' against foreign or supra
national interests - Russia, the EU, globalised corporations and
bankers or in the case of the USA a cabal of corrupt democrats who
run the party and the country for their own benefit.
Its a shame the only alternative is, in the UK labour, and in the
USA, Trump.
But their clay feet will soon become apparent.
A vote for Labour will be a vote for Reform in 2029.
ROFL. 4 MP's (double what I predicted).
You are entitled to laugh in 2029, not before.
Reform polled more than the Lib Dems.
Yep, half a million more. I was astonished at the level of support for
Reform. The 5 seats they won don't reflect that in any way.
There's a dearth of quality in the CP right now ( has been for a few
years in fact). Nigel's Reform (with Nigel at the helm) will become
the de facto principal Opposition to Labour for the foreseable future.
What's the final figure for the number of votes cast for Reform?
14% and got 1% of the seats
The Natural Philosopher
2024-07-06 10:46:58 UTC
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On Fri, 5 Jul 2024 12:32:44 +0100, The Natural Philosopher
Post by The Natural Philosopher
Post by Andrew
Post by The Natural Philosopher
Post by Cursitor Doom
Post by Ottavio Caruso
The Fr*nch L*ftards have declared they will start a civil war if the
people of Fr*nce democratically elect a right wing party to lead the
country.
Same thing in Germany right now. The AFD Party - a recent force on the
centre right which enjoys about 40% support currently - is under threat of
being banned as "extremist"(!) and they actually have parliamentarians
from one of the other established parties stating they will try to get a
Bill through to achieve this. Naturally those pressing for the abolition
of the AFD are Lefties, just as in France.
Post by Ottavio Caruso
Am I right in thinking democracy is only good when you win but bad when
you lose
That's what Rishi Sunak believes. Remember that little speech he made
outside No.10 after George Galloway was legitimately elected to the House
of Commons recently? Like Galloway or loathe him, he *was* legitimately
elected and it's not for anyone to try overturning it.
Post by Ottavio Caruso
(Before you make silly comparisons wit Br*xit: L*bour leaders are
notoriously incapable of eating a ham sandwich, let alone revolt in the
street)
I actually like this: it makes us Italians look composed, measured,
reliable, predictable, even boring.
Yes, quite so! :-D
Reform UK are the ones currently under attack by dark, antidemocratic
forces - chiefly the Lefty BBC. But all the main media channels have been
desperate to air-brush Reform out of the public's consciousness since that
first major TV debate when support for Reform instantly doubled overnight
thanks to a typically charismatic performance by Nigel Farage.
And of course there's Trump in America who's being attacked by a
weaponised legal system desperate to de-rail his prospects of re-election
come November. And again, this the dirty work of Left-wing, ironically-
named 'Democratic Party.'
These underhand tactics by the Left are going to start civil wars in many
Western countries by the way they're carrying on.
If you forget Left and Right and look at politics in another way, what
is happening in Europe and the USA is a revolt against the Man. Remote
uncaring idiotic and incompetent bureaucratic government. Whether its
in France Germany or Ukraine, its the forces of 'we want our own
country back' against foreign or supra national interests - Russia,
the EU, globalised corporations and bankers or in the case of the USA
a cabal of corrupt democrats who run the party and the country for
their own benefit.
Its a shame the only alternative is, in the UK labour, and in the USA,
Trump.
But their clay feet will soon become apparent.
A vote for Labour will be a vote for Reform in 2029.
ROFL. 4 MP's (double what I predicted).
You are entitled to laugh in 2029, not before.
Reform polled more than the Lib Dems.
Yep, half a million more. I was astonished at the level of support for
Reform. The 5 seats they won don't reflect that in any way.
There's a dearth of quality in the CP right now ( has been for a few
years in fact). Nigel's Reform (with Nigel at the helm) will become
the de facto principal Opposition to Labour for the foreseable future.
Post by The Natural Philosopher
Those voters are not going to vanish.
If they push past 20% nationally they are the official opposition, Past
25% and they become kingmakers
The purpose of Reform and a vote for reform is not necessarily to
actually achieve political power, but it is there to give expressions to
the millions of voters who voted for them.

If the other parties do not then adopt their policies, then they WILL
get into power.
Today an article reckons that 360,000 more Reform voters puts then into
second place. Ahead of the tories.

FPTP puts a strange relationship between seats and votes for a party
that is explicitly UK national.

I think any by-election will likely go to Reform.

Especially if Labour prove even more disastrous than they *claimed* Liz
Truss was.
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Rod Speed
2024-07-06 19:05:16 UTC
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Post by Cursitor Doom
On Fri, 5 Jul 2024 12:32:44 +0100, The Natural Philosopher
Post by The Natural Philosopher
Post by Andrew
Post by The Natural Philosopher
Post by Cursitor Doom
Post by Ottavio Caruso
The Fr*nch L*ftards have declared they will start a civil war if the
people of Fr*nce democratically elect a right wing party to lead the
country.
Same thing in Germany right now. The AFD Party - a recent force on the
centre right which enjoys about 40% support currently - is under threat of
being banned as "extremist"(!) and they actually have
parliamentarians
from one of the other established parties stating they will try to get a
Bill through to achieve this. Naturally those pressing for the abolition
of the AFD are Lefties, just as in France.
Post by Ottavio Caruso
Am I right in thinking democracy is only good when you win but bad when
you lose
That's what Rishi Sunak believes. Remember that little speech he made
outside No.10 after George Galloway was legitimately elected to the House
of Commons recently? Like Galloway or loathe him, he *was* legitimately
elected and it's not for anyone to try overturning it.
Post by Ottavio Caruso
(Before you make silly comparisons wit Br*xit: L*bour leaders are
notoriously incapable of eating a ham sandwich, let alone revolt in the
street)
I actually like this: it makes us Italians look composed, measured,
reliable, predictable, even boring.
Yes, quite so! :-D
Reform UK are the ones currently under attack by dark,
antidemocratic
forces - chiefly the Lefty BBC. But all the main media channels have been
desperate to air-brush Reform out of the public's consciousness
since
that
first major TV debate when support for Reform instantly doubled overnight
thanks to a typically charismatic performance by Nigel Farage.
And of course there's Trump in America who's being attacked by a
weaponised legal system desperate to de-rail his prospects of re-election
come November. And again, this the dirty work of Left-wing, ironically-
named 'Democratic Party.'
These underhand tactics by the Left are going to start civil wars in many
Western countries by the way they're carrying on.
If you forget Left and Right and look at politics in another way, what
is happening in Europe and the USA is a revolt against the Man. Remote
uncaring idiotic and incompetent bureaucratic government. Whether its
in France Germany or Ukraine, its the forces of 'we want our own
country back' against foreign or supra national interests - Russia,
the EU, globalised corporations and bankers or in the case of the USA
a cabal of corrupt democrats who run the party and the country for
their own benefit.
Its a shame the only alternative is, in the UK labour, and in the USA,
Trump.
But their clay feet will soon become apparent.
A vote for Labour will be a vote for Reform in 2029.
ROFL. 4 MP's (double what I predicted).
You are entitled to laugh in 2029, not before.
Reform polled more than the Lib Dems.
Yep, half a million more. I was astonished at the level of support for
Reform. The 5 seats they won don't reflect that in any way.
There's a dearth of quality in the CP right now ( has been for a few
years in fact). Nigel's Reform (with Nigel at the helm) will become
the de facto principal Opposition to Labour for the foreseable future.
Post by The Natural Philosopher
Those voters are not going to vanish.
If they push past 20% nationally they are the official opposition, Past
25% and they become kingmakers
The purpose of Reform and a vote for reform is not necessarily to
actually achieve political power, but it is there to give expressions to
the millions of voters who voted for them.
If the other parties do not then adopt their policies, then they WILL
get into power.
Fantasy
Post by The Natural Philosopher
Today an article reckons that 360,000 more Reform voters puts then into
second place. Ahead of the tories.
Fantasy
Post by The Natural Philosopher
FPTP puts a strange relationship between seats and votes for a party
that is explicitly UK national.
I think any by-election will likely go to Reform.
Fantasy
Post by The Natural Philosopher
Especially if Labour prove even more disastrous than they *claimed* Liz
Truss was.
Fantasy
Andrew
2024-07-07 12:58:21 UTC
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On Fri, 5 Jul 2024 12:32:44 +0100, The Natural Philosopher
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Post by Andrew
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Post by Ottavio Caruso
The Fr*nch L*ftards have declared they will start a civil war if the
people of Fr*nce democratically elect a right wing party to lead the
country.
Same thing in Germany right now. The AFD Party - a recent force on the
centre right which enjoys about 40% support currently - is under threat of
being banned as "extremist"(!) and they actually have
parliamentarians
from one of the other established parties stating they will try to get a
Bill through to achieve this. Naturally those pressing for the abolition
of the AFD are Lefties, just as in France.
Post by Ottavio Caruso
Am I right in thinking democracy is only good when you win but bad when
you lose
That's what Rishi Sunak believes. Remember that little speech he made
outside No.10 after George Galloway was legitimately elected to the House
of Commons recently? Like Galloway or loathe him, he *was* legitimately
elected and it's not for anyone to try overturning it.
Post by Ottavio Caruso
(Before you make silly comparisons wit Br*xit: L*bour leaders are
notoriously incapable of eating a ham sandwich, let alone revolt in the
street)
I actually like this: it makes us Italians look composed, measured,
reliable, predictable, even boring.
Yes, quite so! :-D
Reform UK are the ones currently under attack by dark, antidemocratic
forces - chiefly the Lefty BBC. But all the main media channels have been
desperate to air-brush Reform out of the public's consciousness since that
first major TV debate when support for Reform instantly doubled overnight
thanks to a typically charismatic performance by Nigel Farage.
And of course there's Trump in America who's being attacked by a
weaponised legal system desperate to de-rail his prospects of re-election
come November. And again, this the dirty work of Left-wing, ironically-
named 'Democratic Party.'
These underhand tactics by the Left are going to start civil wars in many
Western countries by the way they're carrying on.
If you forget Left and Right and look at politics in another way, what
is happening in Europe and the USA is a revolt against the Man. Remote
uncaring idiotic and incompetent bureaucratic government. Whether its
in France Germany or Ukraine, its the forces of 'we want our own
country back' against foreign or supra national interests - Russia,
the EU, globalised corporations and bankers or in the case of the USA
a cabal of corrupt democrats who run the party and the country for
their own benefit.
Its a shame the only alternative is, in the UK labour, and in the USA,
Trump.
But their clay feet will soon become apparent.
A vote for Labour will be a vote for Reform in 2029.
ROFL. 4 MP's (double what I predicted).
You are entitled to laugh in 2029, not before.
Reform polled more than the Lib Dems.
Yep, half a million more. I was astonished at the level of support for
Reform. The 5 seats they won don't reflect that in any way.
There's a dearth of quality in the CP right now ( has been for a few
years in fact). Nigel's Reform (with Nigel at the helm) will become
the de facto principal Opposition to Labour for the foreseable future.
Post by The Natural Philosopher
Those voters are not going to vanish.
If they push past 20% nationally they are the official opposition, Past
25% and they become kingmakers
The purpose of Reform and a vote for reform is not necessarily to
actually achieve political power, but it is there to give expressions to
the millions of voters who voted for them.
If the other parties do not then adopt their policies, then they WILL
get into power.
Today an article reckons that 360,000 more Reform voters puts then into
second place. Ahead of the tories.
But *nowhere* near Labour, and the centre ground of the Conservatives
is never going to have anything to do with lying Farage and his planks.

reform are destined to forever pissing into the tent from outside, while
the Lib Dems are inside the tent, pissing out.

Rod Speed
2024-07-06 18:50:12 UTC
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On Fri, 5 Jul 2024 12:32:44 +0100, The Natural Philosopher
Post by The Natural Philosopher
Post by Andrew
Post by The Natural Philosopher
Post by Cursitor Doom
Post by Ottavio Caruso
The Fr*nch L*ftards have declared they will start a civil war if the
people of Fr*nce democratically elect a right wing party to lead the
country.
Same thing in Germany right now. The AFD Party - a recent force on the
centre right which enjoys about 40% support currently - is under threat of
being banned as "extremist"(!) and they actually have
parliamentarians
from one of the other established parties stating they will try to get a
Bill through to achieve this. Naturally those pressing for the abolition
of the AFD are Lefties, just as in France.
Post by Ottavio Caruso
Am I right in thinking democracy is only good when you win but bad when
you lose
That's what Rishi Sunak believes. Remember that little speech he made
outside No.10 after George Galloway was legitimately elected to the House
of Commons recently? Like Galloway or loathe him, he *was*
legitimately
elected and it's not for anyone to try overturning it.
Post by Ottavio Caruso
(Before you make silly comparisons wit Br*xit: L*bour leaders are
notoriously incapable of eating a ham sandwich, let alone revolt in the
street)
I actually like this: it makes us Italians look composed, measured,
reliable, predictable, even boring.
Yes, quite so! :-D
Reform UK are the ones currently under attack by dark, antidemocratic
forces - chiefly the Lefty BBC. But all the main media channels have been
desperate to air-brush Reform out of the public's consciousness since that
first major TV debate when support for Reform instantly doubled overnight
thanks to a typically charismatic performance by Nigel Farage.
And of course there's Trump in America who's being attacked by a
weaponised legal system desperate to de-rail his prospects of re-election
come November. And again, this the dirty work of Left-wing, ironically-
named 'Democratic Party.'
These underhand tactics by the Left are going to start civil wars in many
Western countries by the way they're carrying on.
If you forget Left and Right and look at politics in another way, what
is happening in Europe and the USA is a revolt against the Man. Remote
uncaring idiotic and incompetent bureaucratic government. Whether its
in France Germany or Ukraine, its the forces of 'we want our own
country back' against foreign or supra national interests - Russia,
the EU, globalised corporations and bankers or in the case of the USA
a cabal of corrupt democrats who run the party and the country for
their own benefit.
Its a shame the only alternative is, in the UK labour, and in the USA,
Trump.
But their clay feet will soon become apparent.
A vote for Labour will be a vote for Reform in 2029.
ROFL. 4 MP's (double what I predicted).
You are entitled to laugh in 2029, not before.
Reform polled more than the Lib Dems.
Yep, half a million more. I was astonished at the level of support for
Reform. The 5 seats they won don't reflect that in any way.
There's a dearth of quality in the CP right now ( has been for a few
years in fact). Nigel's Reform (with Nigel at the helm) will become
the de facto principal Opposition to Labour for the foreseable future.
Bullshit with only 5 MPs, most of them useless dregs.
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Those voters are not going to vanish.
But will realise that Reform is irrelevant.
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Post by The Natural Philosopher
If they push past 20% nationally they are the official opposition,
Fantasy
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Past 25% and they become kingmakers
Fantasy
Rod Speed
2024-07-06 20:29:13 UTC
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Post by Andrew
Post by The Natural Philosopher
Post by Cursitor Doom
Post by Ottavio Caruso
The Fr*nch L*ftards have declared they will start a civil war if the
people of Fr*nce democratically elect a right wing party to lead the
country.
Same thing in Germany right now. The AFD Party - a recent force on the
centre right which enjoys about 40% support currently - is under threat of
being banned as "extremist"(!) and they actually have parliamentarians
from one of the other established parties stating they will try to get a
Bill through to achieve this. Naturally those pressing for the abolition
of the AFD are Lefties, just as in France.
Post by Ottavio Caruso
Am I right in thinking democracy is only good when you win but bad when
you lose
That's what Rishi Sunak believes. Remember that little speech he made
outside No.10 after George Galloway was legitimately elected to the House
of Commons recently? Like Galloway or loathe him, he *was*
legitimately
elected and it's not for anyone to try overturning it.
Post by Ottavio Caruso
(Before you make silly comparisons wit Br*xit: L*bour leaders are
notoriously incapable of eating a ham sandwich, let alone revolt in the
street)
I actually like this: it makes us Italians look composed, measured,
reliable, predictable, even boring.
Yes, quite so! :-D
Reform UK are the ones currently under attack by dark, antidemocratic
forces - chiefly the Lefty BBC. But all the main media channels have been
desperate to air-brush Reform out of the public's consciousness since that
first major TV debate when support for Reform instantly doubled overnight
thanks to a typically charismatic performance by Nigel Farage.
And of course there's Trump in America who's being attacked by a
weaponised legal system desperate to de-rail his prospects of re-election
come November. And again, this the dirty work of Left-wing,
ironically-
named 'Democratic Party.'
These underhand tactics by the Left are going to start civil wars in many
Western countries by the way they're carrying on.
If you forget Left and Right and look at politics in another way, what
is happening in Europe and the USA is a revolt against the Man. Remote
uncaring idiotic and incompetent bureaucratic government. Whether its
in France Germany or Ukraine, its the forces of 'we want our own
country back' against foreign or supra national interests - Russia,
the EU, globalised corporations and bankers or in the case of the USA
a cabal of corrupt democrats who run the party and the country for
their own benefit.
Its a shame the only alternative is, in the UK labour, and in the USA,
Trump.
But their clay feet will soon become apparent.
A vote for Labour will be a vote for Reform in 2029.
ROFL. 4 MP's (double what I predicted).
You are entitled to laugh in 2029, not before.
Reform polled more than the Lib Dems.
But the LimpDims got 14 times the seats
Post by The Natural Philosopher
Those voters are not going to vanish.
Corse they will when Farage gives up on Reform, as he always does.
Post by The Natural Philosopher
If they push past 20% nationally they are the official opposition,
Fantasy
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Past 25% and they become kingmakers
Fantasy
Andrew
2024-07-07 12:45:03 UTC
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The Fr*nch L*ftards have declared they will start a civil war if the
people of Fr*nce democratically elect a right wing party to lead the
country.
Same thing in Germany right now. The AFD Party - a recent force on the
centre right which enjoys about 40% support currently - is under threat of
being banned as "extremist"(!) and they actually have parliamentarians
from one of the other established parties stating they will try to get a
Bill through to achieve this. Naturally those pressing for the abolition
of the AFD are Lefties, just as in France.
Post by Ottavio Caruso
Am I right in thinking democracy is only good when you win but bad when
you lose
That's what Rishi Sunak believes. Remember that little speech he made
outside No.10 after George Galloway was legitimately elected to the House
of Commons recently? Like Galloway or loathe him, he *was* legitimately
elected and it's not for anyone to try overturning it.
Post by Ottavio Caruso
(Before you make silly comparisons wit Br*xit: L*bour leaders are
notoriously incapable of eating a ham sandwich, let alone revolt in the
street)
I actually like this: it makes us Italians look composed, measured,
reliable, predictable, even boring.
Yes, quite so! :-D
Reform UK are the ones currently under attack by dark, antidemocratic
forces - chiefly the Lefty BBC. But all the main media channels have been
desperate to air-brush Reform out of the public's consciousness since that
first major TV debate when support for Reform instantly doubled overnight
thanks to a typically charismatic performance by Nigel Farage.
And of course there's Trump in America who's being attacked by a
weaponised legal system desperate to de-rail his prospects of re-election
come November. And again, this the dirty work of Left-wing, ironically-
named 'Democratic Party.'
These underhand tactics by the Left are going to start civil wars in many
Western countries by the way they're carrying on.
If you forget Left and Right and look at politics in another way,
what is happening in Europe and the USA is a revolt against the Man.
Remote uncaring idiotic and incompetent bureaucratic government.
Whether its in France Germany or Ukraine, its the forces of 'we want
our own country back' against foreign or supra national interests -
Russia, the EU, globalised corporations and bankers or in the case of
the USA a cabal of corrupt democrats who run the party and the
country for their own benefit.
Its a shame the only alternative is, in the UK labour, and in the
USA, Trump.
But their clay feet will soon become apparent.
A vote for Labour will be a vote for Reform in 2029.
ROFL. 4 MP's (double what I predicted).
You are entitled to laugh in 2029, not before.
Reform polled more than the Lib Dems.
SO WHAT ?????. The Limp Dems have 71 MP's. Labour have 412,
and 100 of those are *entirely* the result of the reform
planks splitting the opposition vote.

You elected a Labour government with a super majority.
You were warned that this is what would happen. Suck it up.
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Those voters are not going to vanish.
Yes they will !. A *far* higher proportion will die compared to
Labour voters, and now with actual reform MP's in the commons, they
are going to be under much greater scrutiny which will frighten
off many of the clueless who fell for Farages lies.
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If they push past 20% nationally they are the official opposition, Past
25% and they become kingmakers
Keep taking the pills. They have zero chance of getting any more MP's,
for the same reason the SDP withered away and had to be absorbed into
the Lib Dems. The Tory centre ground is *never* going to get into bed
with a bunch of oddball misfits like reform.
Tim Streater
2024-07-05 11:36:50 UTC
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Post by Ottavio Caruso
The Fr*nch L*ftards have declared they will start a civil war if the
people of Fr*nce democratically elect a right wing party to lead the
country.
Same thing in Germany right now. The AFD Party - a recent force on the
centre right which enjoys about 40% support currently - is under threat of
being banned as "extremist"(!) and they actually have parliamentarians
from one of the other established parties stating they will try to get a
Bill through to achieve this. Naturally those pressing for the abolition
of the AFD are Lefties, just as in France.
Post by Ottavio Caruso
Am I right in thinking democracy is only good when you win but bad when
you lose
That's what Rishi Sunak believes. Remember that little speech he made
outside No.10 after George Galloway was legitimately elected to the House
of Commons recently? Like Galloway or loathe him, he *was* legitimately
elected and it's not for anyone to try overturning it.
Post by Ottavio Caruso
(Before you make silly comparisons wit Br*xit: L*bour leaders are
notoriously incapable of eating a ham sandwich, let alone revolt in the
street)
I actually like this: it makes us Italians look composed, measured,
reliable, predictable, even boring.
Yes, quite so! :-D
Reform UK are the ones currently under attack by dark, antidemocratic
forces - chiefly the Lefty BBC. But all the main media channels have been
desperate to air-brush Reform out of the public's consciousness since that
first major TV debate when support for Reform instantly doubled overnight
thanks to a typically charismatic performance by Nigel Farage.
And of course there's Trump in America who's being attacked by a
weaponised legal system desperate to de-rail his prospects of re-election
come November. And again, this the dirty work of Left-wing, ironically-
named 'Democratic Party.'
These underhand tactics by the Left are going to start civil wars in many
Western countries by the way they're carrying on.
If you forget Left and Right and look at politics in another way, what
is happening in Europe and the USA is a revolt against the Man. Remote
uncaring idiotic and incompetent bureaucratic government. Whether its in
France Germany or Ukraine, its the forces of 'we want our own country
back' against foreign or supra national interests - Russia, the EU,
globalised corporations and bankers or in the case of the USA a cabal of
corrupt democrats who run the party and the country for their own benefit.
Its a shame the only alternative is, in the UK labour, and in the USA,
Trump.
But their clay feet will soon become apparent.
A vote for Labour will be a vote for Reform in 2029.
ROFL. 4 MP's (double what I predicted).
And more votes than the LimpDems.
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Jeff Gaines
2024-07-05 15:11:34 UTC
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A vote for Labour will be a vote for Reform in 2029.
ROFL. 4 MP's (double what I predicted).
Those 4 MPs took 4,057,279 votes whereas with 3,476,391 votes the Lib Dems
got 71 MPs.
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Ottavio Caruso
2024-07-05 15:24:10 UTC
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A vote for Labour will be a vote for Reform in 2029.
ROFL. 4 MP's (double what I predicted).
Those 4 MPs took 4,057,279 votes whereas with 3,476,391 votes the Lib
Dems got 71 MPs.
I blame the EU!
--
Ottavio Caruso
alan_m
2024-07-06 11:19:33 UTC
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A vote for Labour will be a vote for Reform in 2029.
ROFL. 4 MP's (double what I predicted).
Those 4 MPs took 4,057,279 votes whereas with 3,476,391 votes the Lib
Dems got 71 MPs.
I blame the EU!
As 40% of people that didn't vote may have voted Tory I think we should
have another election to change the results. Oh, sorry I forgot we are
not discussing the Brexit referendum :)
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Tim Streater
2024-07-05 16:12:44 UTC
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A vote for Labour will be a vote for Reform in 2029.
ROFL. 4 MP's (double what I predicted).
Those 4 MPs took 4,057,279 votes whereas with 3,476,391 votes the Lib Dems
got 71 MPs.
As was pointed out on the telly-box, while this is bad, it's not so bad as the
alternative. Which is PR, that gives you politicians you can't get rid of. It
also gives you unstable government, with the Dutch and the Belgians both
having had extended periods of time (like, up to a year), when the country had
no government at all, because they couldn't form a working coalition.

PR is also why Italy has had 1,000 governments since WW2, and why the Israeli
govt is always so beholden to the religious nutters as part of its coalition
government.

In 1997 the voters could get rid of Portaloo. This year they were able to
prevent Truss, Mordant, Rees-Mogg, Shapps, remaining as active politicians.
Under PR all these would still be MPs.

So all you PR wallies - be careful what you wish for.

As it stands, in 1997 and in 2024, we know who's in charge, and so who is to
blame when it goes wrong. At which point THAT will be the set of fuckers we
can remove.

In Switzerland their elections only ever attract a 20% turnout. This is
because they have PR, and no by-elections. If a politician retires or dies,
it's the next one on that party's list who automatically gets the nod. Just as
we had with our MEPs. Can't get rid of the fuckers, you see.
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The Natural Philosopher
2024-07-05 17:38:23 UTC
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As it stands, in 1997 and in 2024, we know who's in charge, and so who is to
blame when it goes wrong. At which point THAT will be the set of fuckers we
can remove.
Well said.
More people voted for thir Queer Harmer and his motley crew of pirates
than for anyone else, so its time that people saw enacted in real time
exactly what that means. before he gets to walk the plank, too.
--
Future generations will wonder in bemused amazement that the early
twenty-first century’s developed world went into hysterical panic over a
globally average temperature increase of a few tenths of a degree, and,
on the basis of gross exaggerations of highly uncertain computer
projections combined into implausible chains of inference, proceeded to
contemplate a rollback of the industrial age.

Richard Lindzen
me9
2024-07-06 00:14:19 UTC
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In Switzerland their elections only ever attract a 20% turnout. This is
because they have PR, and no by-elections. If a politician retires or
dies, it's the next one on that party's list who automatically gets the
nod. Just as we had with our MEPs. Can't get rid of the fuckers, you see.
There's various forms of PR, and party lists is about the worst, imposed on
us for EU elections by HM Govt as EU required PR of some (unspecified) form.
STV is a much better system and works well, particularly in a multi member
constituency, just number the candidates in order of preference. At one time
I voted for 17 candidates, there was no point in doing the last one (out of
18).
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alan_m
2024-07-06 11:31:40 UTC
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In Switzerland their elections only ever attract a 20% turnout. This is
because they have PR, and no by-elections. If a politician retires or
dies, it's the next one on that party's list who automatically gets the
nod. Just as we had with our MEPs. Can't get rid of the fuckers, you see.
There's various forms of PR, and party lists is about the worst, imposed on
us for EU elections by HM Govt as EU required PR of some (unspecified) form.
STV is a much better system and works well, particularly in a multi member
constituency, just number the candidates in order of preference. At one time
I voted for 17 candidates, there was no point in doing the last one (out of
18).
Can that also have problems if you are compelled to list multiple
candidates or else else have you vote classified as spoilt? You would
be have to include a candidates that you would not want in power under
any circumstance.
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Rod Speed
2024-07-06 18:58:06 UTC
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In Switzerland their elections only ever attract a 20% turnout. This is
because they have PR, and no by-elections. If a politician retires or
dies, it's the next one on that party's list who automatically gets the
nod. Just as we had with our MEPs. Can't get rid of the fuckers, you see.
There's various forms of PR, and party lists is about the worst, imposed on
us for EU elections by HM Govt as EU required PR of some (unspecified) form.
STV is a much better system and works well,
Bullshit it does. That still sees it impossible for any party
to have a majority and so the minor partys have to be
included with the main vote winner to form govt and so
get FAR more say on policy than the number of votes
they get warrants and produces very unstable govt as
we can see with Italy and Israel and the stupidity of
what the Greens in Germany get to impose on the govt.

particularly in a multi
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member
constituency, just number the candidates in order of preference. At one time
I voted for 17 candidates, there was no point in doing the last one (out of
18).
The Natural Philosopher
2024-07-05 17:35:40 UTC
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A vote for Labour will be a vote for Reform in 2029.
ROFL. 4 MP's (double what I predicted).
Those 4 MPs took 4,057,279 votes whereas with 3,476,391 votes the Lib
Dems got 71 MPs.
5 MPs now.
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...than to have answers that cannot be questioned

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Cursitor Doom
2024-07-06 12:02:33 UTC
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A vote for Labour will be a vote for Reform in 2029.
ROFL. 4 MP's (double what I predicted).
Those 4 MPs took 4,057,279 votes whereas with 3,476,391 votes the Lib
Dems got 71 MPs.
Well, the important thing is that Nigel's now in the House of Commons and
will be an electric performer against Starmer. No one in the CP can match
him. Just remember all the experience he gained in the EU parliament. He
will be the de facto voice of Opposition and will prove a major thorn in
the side for both Tory and Labour Parties going forward.
Take note, Lefties: WE'RE GOING TO HEAR A *LOT* MORE FROM NIGEL FARAGE!
:-D
The Natural Philosopher
2024-07-06 12:16:15 UTC
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A vote for Labour will be a vote for Reform in 2029.
ROFL. 4 MP's (double what I predicted).
Those 4 MPs took 4,057,279 votes whereas with 3,476,391 votes the Lib
Dems got 71 MPs.
Well, the important thing is that Nigel's now in the House of Commons and
will be an electric performer against Starmer. No one in the CP can match
him. Just remember all the experience he gained in the EU parliament. He
will be the de facto voice of Opposition and will prove a major thorn in
the side for both Tory and Labour Parties going forward.
Take note, Lefties: WE'RE GOING TO HEAR A *LOT* MORE FROM NIGEL FARAGE!
:-D
Please be aware that after a recount, there are now 5 Reform MPs...
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atrocities.”

― Voltaire, Questions sur les Miracles à M. Claparede, Professeur de
Théologie à Genève, par un Proposant: Ou Extrait de Diverses Lettres de
M. de Voltaire
Fakir Neejit
2024-07-06 12:55:02 UTC
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A vote for Labour will be a vote for Reform in 2029.
ROFL. 4 MP's (double what I predicted).
Those 4 MPs took 4,057,279 votes whereas with 3,476,391 votes the Lib
Dems got 71 MPs.
Well, the important thing is that Nigel's now in the House of Commons and
will be an electric performer against Starmer. No one in the CP can match
him. Just remember all the experience he gained in the EU parliament. He
will be the de facto voice of Opposition and will prove a major thorn in
the side for both Tory and Labour Parties going forward.
Take note, Lefties: WE'RE GOING TO HEAR A *LOT* MORE FROM NIGEL FARAGE!
:-D
Undoubtedly. But he'll have bugger all influence.
Bob Eager
2024-07-06 13:13:18 UTC
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Post by Jeff Gaines
Post by Andrew
Post by The Natural Philosopher
A vote for Labour will be a vote for Reform in 2029.
ROFL. 4 MP's (double what I predicted).
Those 4 MPs took 4,057,279 votes whereas with 3,476,391 votes the Lib
Dems got 71 MPs.
Well, the important thing is that Nigel's now in the House of Commons
and will be an electric performer against Starmer. No one in the CP can
match him. Just remember all the experience he gained in the EU
parliament. He will be the de facto voice of Opposition and will prove a
major thorn in the side for both Tory and Labour Parties going forward.
Take note, Lefties: WE'RE GOING TO HEAR A *LOT* MORE FROM NIGEL FARAGE!
:-D
Undoubtedly. But he'll have bugger all influence.
That's assuming he bothers to turn up. History says otherwise.
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Tim Streater
2024-07-06 13:29:38 UTC
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Post by Cursitor Doom
Post by Jeff Gaines
Post by Andrew
Post by The Natural Philosopher
A vote for Labour will be a vote for Reform in 2029.
ROFL. 4 MP's (double what I predicted).
Those 4 MPs took 4,057,279 votes whereas with 3,476,391 votes the Lib
Dems got 71 MPs.
Well, the important thing is that Nigel's now in the House of Commons
and will be an electric performer against Starmer. No one in the CP can
match him. Just remember all the experience he gained in the EU
parliament. He will be the de facto voice of Opposition and will prove a
major thorn in the side for both Tory and Labour Parties going forward.
Take note, Lefties: WE'RE GOING TO HEAR A *LOT* MORE FROM NIGEL FARAGE!
:-D
Undoubtedly. But he'll have bugger all influence.
That's assuming he bothers to turn up. History says otherwise.
He turned up at the EU Parliament, and gave the assembled rubber-stampers a
good spanking. Now that we've left, they've all gone back to sleep.
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The Natural Philosopher
2024-07-06 14:10:41 UTC
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Post by Fakir Neejit
On Sat, 6 Jul 2024 12:02:33 -0000 (UTC), Cursitor Doom
Post by Cursitor Doom
Post by Jeff Gaines
Post by Andrew
Post by The Natural Philosopher
A vote for Labour will be a vote for Reform in 2029.
ROFL. 4 MP's (double what I predicted).
Those 4 MPs took 4,057,279 votes whereas with 3,476,391 votes the Lib
Dems got 71 MPs.
Well, the important thing is that Nigel's now in the House of Commons
and will be an electric performer against Starmer. No one in the CP can
match him. Just remember all the experience he gained in the EU
parliament. He will be the de facto voice of Opposition and will prove a
major thorn in the side for both Tory and Labour Parties going forward.
Take note, Lefties: WE'RE GOING TO HEAR A *LOT* MORE FROM NIGEL FARAGE!
:-D
Undoubtedly. But he'll have bugger all influence.
That's assuming he bothers to turn up. History says otherwise.
He attended the EU far more than Nick Clegg
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Rod Speed
2024-07-06 19:20:48 UTC
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On Sat, 6 Jul 2024 12:02:33 -0000 (UTC), Cursitor Doom
Post by Cursitor Doom
Post by Jeff Gaines
Post by Andrew
Post by The Natural Philosopher
A vote for Labour will be a vote for Reform in 2029.
ROFL. 4 MP's (double what I predicted).
Those 4 MPs took 4,057,279 votes whereas with 3,476,391 votes the Lib
Dems got 71 MPs.
Well, the important thing is that Nigel's now in the House of Commons and
will be an electric performer against Starmer. No one in the CP can match
him. Just remember all the experience he gained in the EU parliament. He
will be the de facto voice of Opposition and will prove a major thorn in
the side for both Tory and Labour Parties going forward.
Take note, Lefties: WE'RE GOING TO HEAR A *LOT* MORE FROM NIGEL FARAGE!
:-D
Undoubtedly. But he'll have bugger all influence.
Yep, Starmer has already pulled the plug on Rwanda and has
now no way of stopping the illegals, Farage's main hobby horse.
Rod Speed
2024-07-06 19:17:01 UTC
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On Sat, 06 Jul 2024 22:02:33 +1000, Cursitor Doom
Post by Cursitor Doom
Post by Jeff Gaines
Post by Andrew
Post by The Natural Philosopher
A vote for Labour will be a vote for Reform in 2029.
ROFL. 4 MP's (double what I predicted).
Those 4 MPs took 4,057,279 votes whereas with 3,476,391 votes the Lib
Dems got 71 MPs.
Well, the important thing is that Nigel's now in the House of Commons and
will be an electric performer against Starmer.
The vote in the HoC isnt about performance
Post by Cursitor Doom
No one in the CP can match him.
As far as bullshitting is concerned, sure.

And as far as giving up on the party he created as well.
Post by Cursitor Doom
Just remember all the experience he gained in the EU parliament.
Irrelevant given that that steaming turd couldnt even
propose legislation or amend existing legislation and
was never anything more than a rubber stamp operation,

Even worse than the stupid royals and MUCH more expensive.
Post by Cursitor Doom
He will be the de facto voice of Opposition
BULLSHIT
Post by Cursitor Doom
and will prove a major thorn in
the side for both Tory and Labour Parties going forward.
Bullshit given that he only has 5 MPs
Post by Cursitor Doom
Take note, Lefties: WE'RE GOING TO HEAR A *LOT* MORE FROM NIGEL FARAGE!
:-D
Until he realises that he is completely irrelevant and quits he always does
Rod Speed
2024-07-06 20:05:04 UTC
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Post by The Natural Philosopher
Post by Cursitor Doom
Post by Ottavio Caruso
The Fr*nch L*ftards have declared they will start a civil war if the
people of Fr*nce democratically elect a right wing party to lead the
country.
Same thing in Germany right now. The AFD Party - a recent force on the
centre right which enjoys about 40% support currently - is under threat of
being banned as "extremist"(!) and they actually have parliamentarians
from one of the other established parties stating they will try to get a
Bill through to achieve this. Naturally those pressing for the abolition
of the AFD are Lefties, just as in France.
Post by Ottavio Caruso
Am I right in thinking democracy is only good when you win but bad when
you lose
That's what Rishi Sunak believes. Remember that little speech he made
outside No.10 after George Galloway was legitimately elected to the House
of Commons recently? Like Galloway or loathe him, he *was* legitimately
elected and it's not for anyone to try overturning it.
Post by Ottavio Caruso
(Before you make silly comparisons wit Br*xit: L*bour leaders are
notoriously incapable of eating a ham sandwich, let alone revolt in the
street)
I actually like this: it makes us Italians look composed, measured,
reliable, predictable, even boring.
Yes, quite so! :-D
Reform UK are the ones currently under attack by dark, antidemocratic
forces - chiefly the Lefty BBC. But all the main media channels have been
desperate to air-brush Reform out of the public's consciousness since that
first major TV debate when support for Reform instantly doubled overnight
thanks to a typically charismatic performance by Nigel Farage.
And of course there's Trump in America who's being attacked by a
weaponised legal system desperate to de-rail his prospects of
re-election
come November. And again, this the dirty work of Left-wing, ironically-
named 'Democratic Party.'
These underhand tactics by the Left are going to start civil wars in many
Western countries by the way they're carrying on.
If you forget Left and Right and look at politics in another way, what
is happening in Europe and the USA is a revolt against the Man. Remote
uncaring idiotic and incompetent bureaucratic government. Whether its in
France Germany or Ukraine, its the forces of 'we want our own country
back' against foreign or supra national interests - Russia, the EU,
globalised corporations and bankers or in the case of the USA a cabal of
corrupt democrats who run the party and the country for their own benefit.
Its a shame the only alternative is, in the UK labour, and in the USA,
Trump.
But their clay feet will soon become apparent.
A vote for Labour will be a vote for Reform in 2029.
That's as silly as your previous claim that if
the UK was stupid enough to vote for Brexit,
it would be tanks thru the chunnel in minutes.
Fakir Neejit
2024-07-03 13:42:19 UTC
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Post by Cursitor Doom
Post by Ottavio Caruso
The Fr*nch L*ftards have declared they will start a civil war if the
people of Fr*nce democratically elect a right wing party to lead the
country.
Same thing in Germany right now. The AFD Party - a recent force on the
centre right which enjoys about 40% support currently - is under threat of
being banned as "extremist"(!) and they actually have parliamentarians
from one of the other established parties stating they will try to get a
Bill through to achieve this. Naturally those pressing for the abolition
of the AFD are Lefties, just as in France.
Post by Ottavio Caruso
Am I right in thinking democracy is only good when you win but bad when
you lose
That's what Rishi Sunak believes. Remember that little speech he made
outside No.10 after George Galloway was legitimately elected to the House
of Commons recently? Like Galloway or loathe him, he *was* legitimately
elected and it's not for anyone to try overturning it.
Post by Ottavio Caruso
(Before you make silly comparisons wit Br*xit: L*bour leaders are
notoriously incapable of eating a ham sandwich, let alone revolt in the
street)
I actually like this: it makes us Italians look composed, measured,
reliable, predictable, even boring.
Yes, quite so! :-D
Reform UK are the ones currently under attack by dark, antidemocratic
forces - chiefly the Lefty BBC. But all the main media channels have been
desperate to air-brush Reform out of the public's consciousness since that
first major TV debate when support for Reform instantly doubled overnight
thanks to a typically charismatic performance by Nigel Farage.
https://www.thetimes.com/article/reform-uk-candidate-described-autistic-people-as-vegetables-tvgtxkx3p

"Reform UK candidate described autistic people as ‘vegetables’
Darren Ingrouille, the party’s prospective MP for Chelmsford, made the
jibe on social media"

This yobbo is typical of the candidates and supporters of Reform.
Post by Cursitor Doom
And of course there's Trump in America who's being attacked by a
weaponised legal system desperate to de-rail his prospects of re-election
come November. And again, this the dirty work of Left-wing, ironically-
named 'Democratic Party.'
These underhand tactics by the Left are going to start civil wars in many
Western countries by the way they're carrying on.
Ottavio Caruso
2024-07-03 15:25:13 UTC
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Darren Ingrouille, the party’s prospective MP for Chelmsford,
"Ingrouille" sounds very French. Are we having forriners in parliament now?
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charles
2024-07-03 17:15:03 UTC
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Darren Ingrouille, the party‘s prospective MP for Chelmsford,
"Ingrouille" sounds very French. Are we having forriners in parliament now?
Fo the last few years our MP has been a New Zealander. They're foreign, too.
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Rod Speed
2024-07-06 20:13:31 UTC
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On Thu, 04 Jul 2024 01:25:13 +1000, Ottavio Caruso =
Darren Ingrouille, the party=E2=80=99s prospective MP for Chelmsford,=
"Ingrouille" sounds very French. Are we having forriners in parliament=
=
now?
Always have done ever since those unspeakable Normans showed up
alan_m
2024-07-03 15:39:12 UTC
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"Reform UK candidate described autistic people as ‘vegetables’
Darren Ingrouille, the party’s prospective MP for Chelmsford, made the
jibe on social media"
This yobbo is typical of the candidates and supporters of Reform.
Yobbo?

Is this the same as the left calling someone racist to stifle discussion
on anything they didn't agree with?

Is this the same as everyone who voted leave in the Brexit referendum
being branded as a Sun reading moron?

Is this the same as anyone questioning policy of relying in future on
only sun and wind being classed as climate deniers?

Have you considered many people who may vote Reform are not necessarily
agreeing with candidates but want to register that fact that they can
bothered to vote but for "none of the above". They want the self
serving politicians in the Tory party out but don't want to vote for the
left in the form of Labour and the Greens.

Who is more honest? A reform candidate who expresses his prejudice in
public or A.N.Other politician who has media training in political
correctness and will say one thing, do another and then lie about it.
Remember Gordon Brown being found out when he accidentally left his
microphone on after the meet and greet with the phlebs?
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Fakir Neejit
2024-07-04 12:56:45 UTC
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Post by Fakir Neejit
"Reform UK candidate described autistic people as ‘vegetables’
Darren Ingrouille, the party’s prospective MP for Chelmsford, made the
jibe on social media"
This yobbo is typical of the candidates and supporters of Reform.
Yobbo?
Is this the same as the left calling someone racist to stifle discussion
on anything they didn't agree with?
No.
Post by alan_m
Is this the same as everyone who voted leave in the Brexit referendum
being branded as a Sun reading moron?
A fair assessment.
Post by alan_m
Is this the same as anyone questioning policy of relying in future on
only sun and wind being classed as climate deniers?
A fair assessment.
Post by alan_m
Have you considered many people who may vote Reform are not necessarily
agreeing with candidates but want to register that fact that they can
bothered to vote but for "none of the above". They want the self
serving politicians in the Tory party out but don't want to vote for the
left in the form of Labour and the Greens.
Any sensible person wants to see the back of the Nasty party. If your
intention is to vote tactically against the Nasties a vote for the
party most likely to win is the most sensible option. A vote for the
party you agree with is futile if you know they can't win. FPTP
ensures that your vote is worthless.

Unlike bacward countries like Australia where voting is mandatory, in
this country voting is a privilege, not a duty and calling people
apathetic because they abstain (not "can't be bothered to vote") is
insulting.

A "none of the above" box on the ballot paper would be a welcome
addition but again it would be pointless because it wouldn't affect
the result. At best it would give the voter the warm feeling that they
have taken part. A better option would be the ability to vote directly
against the candidate you want to lose such that your negative vote
would reduce their total votes by one. You'd still have one vote, but
it would be positve or negative. It would be a surefire way to
increase turnout.
Post by alan_m
Who is more honest? A reform candidate who expresses his prejudice in
public or A.N.Other politician who has media training in political
correctness and will say one thing, do another and then lie about it.
Remember Gordon Brown being found out when he accidentally left his
microphone on after the meet and greet with the phlebs?
Andrew
2024-07-05 11:24:11 UTC
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Post by alan_m
"Reform UK candidate described autistic people as ‘vegetables’
Darren Ingrouille, the party’s prospective MP for Chelmsford, made the
jibe on social media"
This yobbo is typical of the candidates and supporters of Reform.
Yobbo?
Is this the same as the left calling someone racist to stifle discussion
on anything they didn't agree with?
No.
Post by alan_m
Is this the same as everyone who voted leave in the Brexit referendum
being branded as a Sun reading moron?
A fair assessment.
Post by alan_m
Is this the same as anyone questioning policy of relying in future on
only sun and wind being classed as climate deniers?
A fair assessment.
Post by alan_m
Have you considered many people who may vote Reform are not necessarily
agreeing with candidates but want to register that fact that they can
bothered to vote but for "none of the above". They want the self
serving politicians in the Tory party out but don't want to vote for the
left in the form of Labour and the Greens.
Any sensible person wants to see the back of the Nasty party.
Indeed. The planks voted for the new Nazi party (4 seats) and
actually elected 412 LABOUR MP's
The Natural Philosopher
2024-07-05 11:34:54 UTC
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Post by Fakir Neejit
Post by alan_m
"Reform UK candidate described autistic people as ‘vegetables’
Darren Ingrouille, the party’s prospective MP for Chelmsford, made the
jibe on social media"
This yobbo is typical of the candidates and supporters of Reform.
Yobbo?
Is this the same as the left calling someone racist to stifle discussion
on anything they didn't agree with?
No.
Post by alan_m
Is this the same as everyone who voted leave in the Brexit referendum
being branded as a Sun reading moron?
A fair assessment.
Post by alan_m
Is this the same as anyone questioning policy of relying in future on
only sun and wind being classed as climate deniers?
A fair assessment.
Post by alan_m
Have you considered many people who may vote Reform are not necessarily
agreeing with candidates but want to register that fact that they can
bothered to vote but for "none of the above".  They want the self
serving politicians in the Tory party out but don't want to vote for the
left in the form of Labour and the Greens.
Any sensible person wants to see the back of the Nasty party.
Indeed. The planks voted for the new Nazi party (4 seats) and
actually elected 412 LABOUR MP's
Unfortunately the really nasty party - the party of racism,
anti-semitism, women with penises - are now holding the reins.
With no ideas whatsoever as to what to do next.
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who talks little,When his work is done, his aim fulfilled,They will say,
“We did this ourselves.”

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Tim Streater
2024-07-05 11:38:55 UTC
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Post by Fakir Neejit
Post by alan_m
"Reform UK candidate described autistic people as ‘vegetables’
Darren Ingrouille, the party’s prospective MP for Chelmsford, made the
jibe on social media"
This yobbo is typical of the candidates and supporters of Reform.
Yobbo?
Is this the same as the left calling someone racist to stifle discussion
on anything they didn't agree with?
No.
Post by alan_m
Is this the same as everyone who voted leave in the Brexit referendum
being branded as a Sun reading moron?
A fair assessment.
Post by alan_m
Is this the same as anyone questioning policy of relying in future on
only sun and wind being classed as climate deniers?
A fair assessment.
Post by alan_m
Have you considered many people who may vote Reform are not necessarily
agreeing with candidates but want to register that fact that they can
bothered to vote but for "none of the above". They want the self
serving politicians in the Tory party out but don't want to vote for the
left in the form of Labour and the Greens.
Any sensible person wants to see the back of the Nasty party.
Indeed. The planks voted for the new Nazi party (4 seats) and
actually elected 412 LABOUR MP's
And before long, Starmer's lot will provide us with lots more opportunites to
commit thoughtcrime.
--
First of all, a message to English left-wing journalists and intellectuals generally: 'Do remember that dishonesty and cowardice always have to be paid for. Don't imagine that for years on end you can make yourself the boot-licking propagandist of the Soviet régime, or any other régime, and then suddenly return to mental decency. Once a whore, always a whore.'

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Joe
2024-07-05 12:28:44 UTC
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On Fri, 5 Jul 2024 12:24:11 +0100
Post by Andrew
Post by Fakir Neejit
Post by alan_m
"Reform UK candidate described autistic people as ‘vegetables’
Darren Ingrouille, the party’s prospective MP for Chelmsford,
made the jibe on social media"
This yobbo is typical of the candidates and supporters of Reform.
Yobbo?
Is this the same as the left calling someone racist to stifle
discussion on anything they didn't agree with?
No.
Post by alan_m
Is this the same as everyone who voted leave in the Brexit
referendum being branded as a Sun reading moron?
A fair assessment.
Post by alan_m
Is this the same as anyone questioning policy of relying in future
on only sun and wind being classed as climate deniers?
A fair assessment.
Post by alan_m
Have you considered many people who may vote Reform are not
necessarily agreeing with candidates but want to register that
fact that they can bothered to vote but for "none of the above".
They want the self serving politicians in the Tory party out but
don't want to vote for the left in the form of Labour and the
Greens.
Any sensible person wants to see the back of the Nasty party.
Indeed. The planks voted for the new Nazi party (4 seats) and
actually elected 412 LABOUR MP's
I'm sure you realise that Labour won by default, not because people
want them. If I was in Starmer's position, I'd be ashamed, but the left
don't do 'ashamed'.
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Joe
Fakir Neejit
2024-07-05 13:11:03 UTC
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Post by Joe
On Fri, 5 Jul 2024 12:24:11 +0100
Post by Andrew
Post by Fakir Neejit
Post by alan_m
Post by Fakir Neejit
"Reform UK candidate described autistic people as ‘vegetables’
Darren Ingrouille, the party’s prospective MP for Chelmsford,
made the jibe on social media"
This yobbo is typical of the candidates and supporters of Reform.
Yobbo?
Is this the same as the left calling someone racist to stifle
discussion on anything they didn't agree with?
No.
Post by alan_m
Is this the same as everyone who voted leave in the Brexit
referendum being branded as a Sun reading moron?
A fair assessment.
Post by alan_m
Is this the same as anyone questioning policy of relying in future
on only sun and wind being classed as climate deniers?
A fair assessment.
Post by alan_m
Have you considered many people who may vote Reform are not
necessarily agreeing with candidates but want to register that
fact that they can bothered to vote but for "none of the above".
They want the self serving politicians in the Tory party out but
don't want to vote for the left in the form of Labour and the
Greens.
Any sensible person wants to see the back of the Nasty party.
Indeed. The planks voted for the new Nazi party (4 seats) and
actually elected 412 LABOUR MP's
I'm sure you realise that Labour won by default, not because people
want them. If I was in Starmer's position, I'd be ashamed, but the left
don't do 'ashamed'.
I do hope all you gammons are enjoying your sour grapes. :-)
The Natural Philosopher
2024-07-05 13:48:47 UTC
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Post by Joe
On Fri, 5 Jul 2024 12:24:11 +0100
Post by Andrew
Post by Fakir Neejit
Post by alan_m
"Reform UK candidate described autistic people as ‘vegetables’
Darren Ingrouille, the party’s prospective MP for Chelmsford,
made the jibe on social media"
This yobbo is typical of the candidates and supporters of Reform.
Yobbo?
Is this the same as the left calling someone racist to stifle
discussion on anything they didn't agree with?
No.
Post by alan_m
Is this the same as everyone who voted leave in the Brexit
referendum being branded as a Sun reading moron?
A fair assessment.
Post by alan_m
Is this the same as anyone questioning policy of relying in future
on only sun and wind being classed as climate deniers?
A fair assessment.
Post by alan_m
Have you considered many people who may vote Reform are not
necessarily agreeing with candidates but want to register that
fact that they can bothered to vote but for "none of the above".
They want the self serving politicians in the Tory party out but
don't want to vote for the left in the form of Labour and the
Greens.
Any sensible person wants to see the back of the Nasty party.
Indeed. The planks voted for the new Nazi party (4 seats) and
actually elected 412 LABOUR MP's
I'm sure you realise that Labour won by default, not because people
want them. If I was in Starmer's position, I'd be ashamed, but the left
don't do 'ashamed'.
Its being called the ABC election.
Anyone But Conservatives
--
There is something fascinating about science. One gets such wholesale
returns of conjecture out of such a trifling investment of fact.

Mark Twain
charles
2024-07-05 14:30:02 UTC
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Post by Joe
On Fri, 5 Jul 2024 12:24:11 +0100
Post by Andrew
Post by Fakir Neejit
Post by alan_m
"Reform UK candidate described autistic people as vegetables‘
Darren Ingrouille, the party‘s prospective MP for Chelmsford,
made the jibe on social media"
This yobbo is typical of the candidates and supporters of Reform.
Yobbo?
Is this the same as the left calling someone racist to stifle
discussion on anything they didn't agree with?
No.
Post by alan_m
Is this the same as everyone who voted leave in the Brexit
referendum being branded as a Sun reading moron?
A fair assessment.
Post by alan_m
Is this the same as anyone questioning policy of relying in future
on only sun and wind being classed as climate deniers?
A fair assessment.
Post by alan_m
Have you considered many people who may vote Reform are not
necessarily agreeing with candidates but want to register that
fact that they can bothered to vote but for "none of the above".
They want the self serving politicians in the Tory party out but
don't want to vote for the left in the form of Labour and the
Greens.
Any sensible person wants to see the back of the Nasty party.
Indeed. The planks voted for the new Nazi party (4 seats) and
actually elected 412 LABOUR MP's
I'm sure you realise that Labour won by default, not because people
want them. If I was in Starmer's position, I'd be ashamed, but the left
don't do 'ashamed'.
Its being called the ABC election.
Anyone But Conservatives
But Boris won the last election on a simialr platform ; Anyone But Corbyn
--
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Ottavio Caruso
2024-07-05 13:16:03 UTC
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Post by Andrew
Post by Fakir Neejit
Post by alan_m
"Reform UK candidate described autistic people as ‘vegetables’
Darren Ingrouille, the party’s prospective MP for Chelmsford, made the
jibe on social media"
This yobbo is typical of the candidates and supporters of Reform.
Yobbo?
Is this the same as the left calling someone racist to stifle discussion
on anything they didn't agree with?
No.
Post by alan_m
Is this the same as everyone who voted leave in the Brexit referendum
being branded as a Sun reading moron?
A fair assessment.
Post by alan_m
Is this the same as anyone questioning policy of relying in future on
only sun and wind being classed as climate deniers?
A fair assessment.
Post by alan_m
Have you considered many people who may vote Reform are not necessarily
agreeing with candidates but want to register that fact that they can
bothered to vote but for "none of the above".  They want the self
serving politicians in the Tory party out but don't want to vote for the
left in the form of Labour and the Greens.
Any sensible person wants to see the back of the Nasty party.
Indeed. The planks voted for the new Nazi party (4 seats) and
actually elected 412 LABOUR MP's
You are insulting the Nazis.
--
Ottavio Caruso
Fakir Neejit
2024-07-03 15:11:48 UTC
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Post by Cursitor Doom
Post by Ottavio Caruso
The Fr*nch L*ftards have declared they will start a civil war if the
people of Fr*nce democratically elect a right wing party to lead the
country.
Same thing in Germany right now. The AFD Party - a recent force on the
centre right which enjoys about 40% support currently - is under threat of
being banned as "extremist"(!) and they actually have parliamentarians
from one of the other established parties stating they will try to get a
Bill through to achieve this. Naturally those pressing for the abolition
of the AFD are Lefties, just as in France.
Post by Ottavio Caruso
Am I right in thinking democracy is only good when you win but bad when
you lose
That's what Rishi Sunak believes. Remember that little speech he made
outside No.10 after George Galloway was legitimately elected to the House
of Commons recently? Like Galloway or loathe him, he *was* legitimately
elected and it's not for anyone to try overturning it.
Post by Ottavio Caruso
(Before you make silly comparisons wit Br*xit: L*bour leaders are
notoriously incapable of eating a ham sandwich, let alone revolt in the
street)
I actually like this: it makes us Italians look composed, measured,
reliable, predictable, even boring.
Yes, quite so! :-D
Reform UK are the ones currently under attack by dark, antidemocratic
forces - chiefly the Lefty BBC. But all the main media channels have been
desperate to air-brush Reform out of the public's consciousness since that
first major TV debate when support for Reform instantly doubled overnight
thanks to a typically charismatic performance by Nigel Farage.
https://www.thetimes.com/article/reform-uk-candidate-described-autistic-people-as-vegetables-tvgtxkx3p

Reform UK candidate described autistic people as ‘vegetables’

Reform UK are a truly disgusting outfit.
Post by Cursitor Doom
And of course there's Trump in America who's being attacked by a
weaponised legal system desperate to de-rail his prospects of re-election
come November. And again, this the dirty work of Left-wing, ironically-
named 'Democratic Party.'
These underhand tactics by the Left are going to start civil wars in many
Western countries by the way they're carrying on.
Fakir Neejit
2024-07-03 15:56:44 UTC
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On Tue, 2 Jul 2024 23:02:28 -0000 (UTC), Cursitor Doom
Post by Cursitor Doom
Post by Ottavio Caruso
The Fr*nch L*ftards have declared they will start a civil war if the
people of Fr*nce democratically elect a right wing party to lead the
country.
Same thing in Germany right now. The AFD Party - a recent force on the
centre right which enjoys about 40% support currently - is under threat of
being banned as "extremist"(!) and they actually have parliamentarians
from one of the other established parties stating they will try to get a
Bill through to achieve this. Naturally those pressing for the abolition
of the AFD are Lefties, just as in France.
Post by Ottavio Caruso
Am I right in thinking democracy is only good when you win but bad when
you lose
That's what Rishi Sunak believes. Remember that little speech he made
outside No.10 after George Galloway was legitimately elected to the House
of Commons recently? Like Galloway or loathe him, he *was* legitimately
elected and it's not for anyone to try overturning it.
Post by Ottavio Caruso
(Before you make silly comparisons wit Br*xit: L*bour leaders are
notoriously incapable of eating a ham sandwich, let alone revolt in the
street)
I actually like this: it makes us Italians look composed, measured,
reliable, predictable, even boring.
Yes, quite so! :-D
Reform UK are the ones currently under attack by dark, antidemocratic
forces - chiefly the Lefty BBC. But all the main media channels have been
desperate to air-brush Reform out of the public's consciousness since that
first major TV debate when support for Reform instantly doubled overnight
thanks to a typically charismatic performance by Nigel Farage.
Farage is an odious little shit leading an equally odious party.
Anybody supporting them is either stupid or gullible, probably both.

This vile rubbish from the Reform candidate for Chelmsford is a
perfect illustration of the nastiness that is so typical of Reform.

Reform UK candidate described autistic people as ‘vegetables’
https://www.thetimes.com/article/reform-uk-candidate-described-autistic-people-as-vegetables-tvgtxkx3p
Post by Cursitor Doom
And of course there's Trump in America who's being attacked by a
weaponised legal system desperate to de-rail his prospects of re-election
come November. And again, this the dirty work of Left-wing, ironically-
named 'Democratic Party.'
These underhand tactics by the Left are going to start civil wars in many
Western countries by the way they're carrying on.
Nick Hayward
2024-07-03 22:07:06 UTC
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Post by Fakir Neejit
On Tue, 2 Jul 2024 23:02:28 -0000 (UTC), Cursitor Doom
Post by Cursitor Doom
Post by Ottavio Caruso
The Fr*nch L*ftards have declared they will start a civil war if the
people of Fr*nce democratically elect a right wing party to lead the
country.
Same thing in Germany right now. The AFD Party - a recent force on the
centre right which enjoys about 40% support currently - is under threat
of being banned as "extremist"(!) and they actually have
parliamentarians from one of the other established parties stating they
will try to get a Bill through to achieve this. Naturally those pressing
for the abolition of the AFD are Lefties, just as in France.
Post by Ottavio Caruso
Am I right in thinking democracy is only good when you win but bad
when you lose
That's what Rishi Sunak believes. Remember that little speech he made
outside No.10 after George Galloway was legitimately elected to the
House of Commons recently? Like Galloway or loathe him, he *was*
legitimately elected and it's not for anyone to try overturning it.
Post by Ottavio Caruso
(Before you make silly comparisons wit Br*xit: L*bour leaders are
notoriously incapable of eating a ham sandwich, let alone revolt in
the street)
I actually like this: it makes us Italians look composed, measured,
reliable, predictable, even boring.
Yes, quite so! :-D Reform UK are the ones currently under attack by
dark, antidemocratic forces - chiefly the Lefty BBC. But all the main
media channels have been desperate to air-brush Reform out of the
public's consciousness since that first major TV debate when support for
Reform instantly doubled overnight thanks to a typically charismatic
performance by Nigel Farage.
Farage is an odious little shit leading an equally odious party.
Anybody supporting them is either stupid or gullible, probably both.
This vile rubbish from the Reform candidate for Chelmsford is a perfect
illustration of the nastiness that is so typical of Reform.
Reform UK candidate described autistic people as ‘vegetables’
https://www.thetimes.com/article/reform-uk-candidate-described-autistic-
people-as-vegetables-tvgtxkx3p
Well, I'm autistic and I'm not offended by it. Can't anyone on the Left
take a joke nowadays? Reform are a breath of fresh air against all this
Wokist PC claptrap and I for one will be voting for them tomorrow. Go
Nigel!
The Natural Philosopher
2024-07-04 06:40:36 UTC
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Post by Fakir Neejit
Post by Fakir Neejit
On Tue, 2 Jul 2024 23:02:28 -0000 (UTC), Cursitor Doom
Post by Cursitor Doom
Post by Ottavio Caruso
The Fr*nch L*ftards have declared they will start a civil war if the
people of Fr*nce democratically elect a right wing party to lead the
country.
Same thing in Germany right now. The AFD Party - a recent force on the
centre right which enjoys about 40% support currently - is under threat
of being banned as "extremist"(!) and they actually have
parliamentarians from one of the other established parties stating they
will try to get a Bill through to achieve this. Naturally those pressing
for the abolition of the AFD are Lefties, just as in France.
Post by Ottavio Caruso
Am I right in thinking democracy is only good when you win but bad
when you lose
That's what Rishi Sunak believes. Remember that little speech he made
outside No.10 after George Galloway was legitimately elected to the
House of Commons recently? Like Galloway or loathe him, he *was*
legitimately elected and it's not for anyone to try overturning it.
Post by Ottavio Caruso
(Before you make silly comparisons wit Br*xit: L*bour leaders are
notoriously incapable of eating a ham sandwich, let alone revolt in
the street)
I actually like this: it makes us Italians look composed, measured,
reliable, predictable, even boring.
Yes, quite so! :-D Reform UK are the ones currently under attack by
dark, antidemocratic forces - chiefly the Lefty BBC. But all the main
media channels have been desperate to air-brush Reform out of the
public's consciousness since that first major TV debate when support for
Reform instantly doubled overnight thanks to a typically charismatic
performance by Nigel Farage.
Farage is an odious little shit leading an equally odious party.
Anybody supporting them is either stupid or gullible, probably both.
This vile rubbish from the Reform candidate for Chelmsford is a perfect
illustration of the nastiness that is so typical of Reform.
Reform UK candidate described autistic people as ‘vegetables’
https://www.thetimes.com/article/reform-uk-candidate-described-autistic-
people-as-vegetables-tvgtxkx3p
Well, I'm autistic and I'm not offended by it. Can't anyone on the Left
take a joke nowadays? Reform are a breath of fresh air against all this
Wokist PC claptrap and I for one will be voting for them tomorrow. Go
Nigel!
I'm probably autistic too - who isn't?

And I will be voting reform as well, and, amazingly, they are also
fielding the best candidate too.
--
In theory, there is no difference between theory and practice.
In practice, there is.
-- Yogi Berra
Fakir Neejit
2024-07-04 10:45:17 UTC
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On Thu, 4 Jul 2024 07:40:36 +0100, The Natural Philosopher
Post by The Natural Philosopher
Post by Fakir Neejit
Post by Fakir Neejit
On Tue, 2 Jul 2024 23:02:28 -0000 (UTC), Cursitor Doom
Post by Cursitor Doom
Post by Ottavio Caruso
The Fr*nch L*ftards have declared they will start a civil war if the
people of Fr*nce democratically elect a right wing party to lead the
country.
Same thing in Germany right now. The AFD Party - a recent force on the
centre right which enjoys about 40% support currently - is under threat
of being banned as "extremist"(!) and they actually have
parliamentarians from one of the other established parties stating they
will try to get a Bill through to achieve this. Naturally those pressing
for the abolition of the AFD are Lefties, just as in France.
Post by Ottavio Caruso
Am I right in thinking democracy is only good when you win but bad
when you lose
That's what Rishi Sunak believes. Remember that little speech he made
outside No.10 after George Galloway was legitimately elected to the
House of Commons recently? Like Galloway or loathe him, he *was*
legitimately elected and it's not for anyone to try overturning it.
Post by Ottavio Caruso
(Before you make silly comparisons wit Br*xit: L*bour leaders are
notoriously incapable of eating a ham sandwich, let alone revolt in
the street)
I actually like this: it makes us Italians look composed, measured,
reliable, predictable, even boring.
Yes, quite so! :-D Reform UK are the ones currently under attack by
dark, antidemocratic forces - chiefly the Lefty BBC. But all the main
media channels have been desperate to air-brush Reform out of the
public's consciousness since that first major TV debate when support for
Reform instantly doubled overnight thanks to a typically charismatic
performance by Nigel Farage.
Farage is an odious little shit leading an equally odious party.
Anybody supporting them is either stupid or gullible, probably both.
This vile rubbish from the Reform candidate for Chelmsford is a perfect
illustration of the nastiness that is so typical of Reform.
Reform UK candidate described autistic people as ?vegetables?
https://www.thetimes.com/article/reform-uk-candidate-described-autistic-
people-as-vegetables-tvgtxkx3p
Well, I'm autistic and I'm not offended by it. Can't anyone on the Left
take a joke nowadays? Reform are a breath of fresh air against all this
Wokist PC claptrap and I for one will be voting for them tomorrow. Go
Nigel!
I'm probably autistic too - who isn't?
No you're not.

Claiming to be suffering from autistism and/or ADHD is just one of the
latest bandwagons people jump on to excuse their appalling behaviour.

Anyone who has experienced true autism will now how devastating it can
be.
Post by The Natural Philosopher
And I will be voting reform as well, and, amazingly, they are also
fielding the best candidate too.
Fakir Neejit
2024-07-04 10:33:20 UTC
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On Wed, 3 Jul 2024 22:07:06 -0000 (UTC), Nick Hayward
Post by Fakir Neejit
Post by Fakir Neejit
On Tue, 2 Jul 2024 23:02:28 -0000 (UTC), Cursitor Doom
Post by Cursitor Doom
Post by Ottavio Caruso
The Fr*nch L*ftards have declared they will start a civil war if the
people of Fr*nce democratically elect a right wing party to lead the
country.
Same thing in Germany right now. The AFD Party - a recent force on the
centre right which enjoys about 40% support currently - is under threat
of being banned as "extremist"(!) and they actually have
parliamentarians from one of the other established parties stating they
will try to get a Bill through to achieve this. Naturally those pressing
for the abolition of the AFD are Lefties, just as in France.
Post by Ottavio Caruso
Am I right in thinking democracy is only good when you win but bad
when you lose
That's what Rishi Sunak believes. Remember that little speech he made
outside No.10 after George Galloway was legitimately elected to the
House of Commons recently? Like Galloway or loathe him, he *was*
legitimately elected and it's not for anyone to try overturning it.
Post by Ottavio Caruso
(Before you make silly comparisons wit Br*xit: L*bour leaders are
notoriously incapable of eating a ham sandwich, let alone revolt in
the street)
I actually like this: it makes us Italians look composed, measured,
reliable, predictable, even boring.
Yes, quite so! :-D Reform UK are the ones currently under attack by
dark, antidemocratic forces - chiefly the Lefty BBC. But all the main
media channels have been desperate to air-brush Reform out of the
public's consciousness since that first major TV debate when support for
Reform instantly doubled overnight thanks to a typically charismatic
performance by Nigel Farage.
Farage is an odious little shit leading an equally odious party.
Anybody supporting them is either stupid or gullible, probably both.
This vile rubbish from the Reform candidate for Chelmsford is a perfect
illustration of the nastiness that is so typical of Reform.
Reform UK candidate described autistic people as ?vegetables?
https://www.thetimes.com/article/reform-uk-candidate-described-autistic-
people-as-vegetables-tvgtxkx3p
Well, I'm autistic and I'm not offended by it. Can't anyone on the Left
take a joke nowadays? Reform are a breath of fresh air against all this
Wokist PC claptrap and I for one will be voting for them tomorrow. Go
Nigel!
You enjoyed that joke? How about this one?

Anybody who admires and follows Farage and Reform is a congenitally
stupid and thick gammon twat.
Joe
2024-07-04 13:10:50 UTC
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On Thu, 04 Jul 2024 11:33:20 +0100
Post by Fakir Neejit
You enjoyed that joke? How about this one?
Anybody who admires and follows Farage and Reform is a congenitally
stupid and thick gammon twat.
That's OK, we're used to that level of debate from you, O most
appropriately named person.
--
Joe
Tim Streater
2024-07-04 14:14:45 UTC
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Post by Fakir Neejit
On Wed, 3 Jul 2024 22:07:06 -0000 (UTC), Nick Hayward
[snip]
Post by Fakir Neejit
Post by Nick Hayward
Well, I'm autistic and I'm not offended by it. Can't anyone on the Left
take a joke nowadays? Reform are a breath of fresh air against all this
Wokist PC claptrap and I for one will be voting for them tomorrow. Go
Nigel!
You enjoyed that joke? How about this one?
Anybody who admires and follows Farage and Reform is a congenitally
stupid and thick gammon twat.
When I read garbage like this I'm reminded of the lines from The Godfather,
where the narrator is describing one of the hoods and his general approach to
life - which was to sneer and be aggressive: "wherever he went, sheaves of
enemies sprang up from the ground." This in contrast to the supposedly more
emollient approach of Don Corleone.

Trump exists and is doing well in the US of A, exactly because large parts of
the working class there have been laughed at and sneered at over recent years
by the Democrats' very own set of Fakir Neejits.

Every time Fakir Neejit opens his stupid gob, large numbers of people become
more firmly entrenched in their determination to vote Reform.
--
27/6/1975 - Herbert Kiebler shot and killed trying to cross Berlin Wall.

"A reminder that the defining characteristic of a socialist regime is coercion, not equality."

Dan Hannan
Fakir Neejit
2024-07-05 08:15:10 UTC
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Post by Tim Streater
Post by Fakir Neejit
On Wed, 3 Jul 2024 22:07:06 -0000 (UTC), Nick Hayward
[snip]
Post by Fakir Neejit
Post by Nick Hayward
Well, I'm autistic and I'm not offended by it. Can't anyone on the Left
take a joke nowadays? Reform are a breath of fresh air against all this
Wokist PC claptrap and I for one will be voting for them tomorrow. Go
Nigel!
You enjoyed that joke? How about this one?
Anybody who admires and follows Farage and Reform is a congenitally
stupid and thick gammon twat.
When I read garbage like this I'm reminded of the lines from The Godfather,
where the narrator is describing one of the hoods and his general approach to
life - which was to sneer and be aggressive: "wherever he went, sheaves of
enemies sprang up from the ground." This in contrast to the supposedly more
emollient approach of Don Corleone.
Trump exists and is doing well in the US of A, exactly because large parts of
the working class there have been laughed at and sneered at over recent years
by the Democrats' very own set of Fakir Neejits.
Every time Fakir Neejit opens his stupid gob, large numbers of people become
more firmly entrenched in their determination to vote Reform.
That's because they are congenitally stupid thick gammon twats.

I hope you enjoyed the election result, Toryboi.
Tim Streater
2024-07-05 10:55:50 UTC
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Post by Fakir Neejit
Post by Tim Streater
Post by Fakir Neejit
On Wed, 3 Jul 2024 22:07:06 -0000 (UTC), Nick Hayward
[snip]
Post by Fakir Neejit
Post by Nick Hayward
Well, I'm autistic and I'm not offended by it. Can't anyone on the Left
take a joke nowadays? Reform are a breath of fresh air against all this
Wokist PC claptrap and I for one will be voting for them tomorrow. Go
Nigel!
You enjoyed that joke? How about this one?
Anybody who admires and follows Farage and Reform is a congenitally
stupid and thick gammon twat.
When I read garbage like this I'm reminded of the lines from The Godfather,
where the narrator is describing one of the hoods and his general approach to
life - which was to sneer and be aggressive: "wherever he went, sheaves of
enemies sprang up from the ground." This in contrast to the supposedly more
emollient approach of Don Corleone.
Trump exists and is doing well in the US of A, exactly because large parts of
the working class there have been laughed at and sneered at over recent years
by the Democrats' very own set of Fakir Neejits.
Every time Fakir Neejit opens his stupid gob, large numbers of people become
more firmly entrenched in their determination to vote Reform.
That's because they are congenitally stupid thick gammon twats.
Here goes the dipshit again!
Post by Fakir Neejit
I hope you enjoyed the election result, Toryboi.
Oh rather!
--
The reason you think government is the solution is because you think freedom is the problem. But the truth is that government ensures that the most evil, ruthless people end up in control, because the state is a single point of failure, and a high-value target of corruption.

Alan Lovejoy
Nick Hayward
2024-07-06 21:38:31 UTC
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Post by Fakir Neejit
On Wed, 3 Jul 2024 22:07:06 -0000 (UTC), Nick Hayward
Post by Fakir Neejit
Post by Fakir Neejit
On Tue, 2 Jul 2024 23:02:28 -0000 (UTC), Cursitor Doom
Post by Cursitor Doom
Post by Ottavio Caruso
The Fr*nch L*ftards have declared they will start a civil war if the
people of Fr*nce democratically elect a right wing party to lead the
country.
Same thing in Germany right now. The AFD Party - a recent force on the
centre right which enjoys about 40% support currently - is under
threat of being banned as "extremist"(!) and they actually have
parliamentarians from one of the other established parties stating
they will try to get a Bill through to achieve this. Naturally those
pressing for the abolition of the AFD are Lefties, just as in France.
Post by Ottavio Caruso
Am I right in thinking democracy is only good when you win but bad
when you lose
That's what Rishi Sunak believes. Remember that little speech he made
outside No.10 after George Galloway was legitimately elected to the
House of Commons recently? Like Galloway or loathe him, he *was*
legitimately elected and it's not for anyone to try overturning it.
Post by Ottavio Caruso
(Before you make silly comparisons wit Br*xit: L*bour leaders are
notoriously incapable of eating a ham sandwich, let alone revolt in
the street)
I actually like this: it makes us Italians look composed, measured,
reliable, predictable, even boring.
Yes, quite so! :-D Reform UK are the ones currently under attack by
dark, antidemocratic forces - chiefly the Lefty BBC. But all the main
media channels have been desperate to air-brush Reform out of the
public's consciousness since that first major TV debate when support
for Reform instantly doubled overnight thanks to a typically
charismatic performance by Nigel Farage.
Farage is an odious little shit leading an equally odious party.
Anybody supporting them is either stupid or gullible, probably both.
This vile rubbish from the Reform candidate for Chelmsford is a
perfect illustration of the nastiness that is so typical of Reform.
Reform UK candidate described autistic people as ?vegetables?
https://www.thetimes.com/article/reform-uk-candidate-described-
autistic-
Post by Fakir Neejit
Post by Fakir Neejit
people-as-vegetables-tvgtxkx3p
Well, I'm autistic and I'm not offended by it. Can't anyone on the Left
take a joke nowadays? Reform are a breath of fresh air against all this
Wokist PC claptrap and I for one will be voting for them tomorrow. Go
Nigel!
You enjoyed that joke? How about this one?
Anybody who admires and follows Farage and Reform is a congenitally
stupid and thick gammon twat.
:-)
Pamela
2024-07-05 10:46:55 UTC
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Post by Nick Hayward
Post by Fakir Neejit
On Tue, 2 Jul 2024 23:02:28 -0000 (UTC), Cursitor Doom
Post by Cursitor Doom
[...]
Yes, quite so! :-D Reform UK are the ones currently under attack by
dark, antidemocratic forces - chiefly the Lefty BBC. But all the
main media channels have been desperate to air-brush Reform out of
the public's consciousness since that first major TV debate when
support for Reform instantly doubled overnight thanks to a typically
charismatic performance by Nigel Farage.
Farage is an odious little shit leading an equally odious party.
Anybody supporting them is either stupid or gullible, probably both.
This vile rubbish from the Reform candidate for Chelmsford is a
perfect illustration of the nastiness that is so typical of Reform.
Reform UK candidate described autistic people as "vegetables"
https://www.thetimes.com/article/reform-uk-candidate-described-
autistic-people-as-vegetables-tvgtxkx3p
Well, I'm autistic and I'm not offended by it. Can't anyone on the
Left take a joke nowadays? Reform are a breath of fresh air against
all this Wokist PC claptrap and I for one will be voting for them
tomorrow. Go Nigel!
Nowadays youngsters try to be as offended as possible. After all,
victimhood has become a virtue.

For some of today's snowflakes, victimhood comes naturally following a
schooling which teaches them to be highly self-centred.

The youngsters then use it as an excuse to go wild behaving like
authoritarians.
Tim Streater
2024-07-05 10:57:42 UTC
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Post by Pamela
Post by Nick Hayward
Post by Fakir Neejit
On Tue, 2 Jul 2024 23:02:28 -0000 (UTC), Cursitor Doom
Post by Cursitor Doom
[...]
Yes, quite so! :-D Reform UK are the ones currently under attack by
dark, antidemocratic forces - chiefly the Lefty BBC. But all the
main media channels have been desperate to air-brush Reform out of
the public's consciousness since that first major TV debate when
support for Reform instantly doubled overnight thanks to a typically
charismatic performance by Nigel Farage.
Farage is an odious little shit leading an equally odious party.
Anybody supporting them is either stupid or gullible, probably both.
This vile rubbish from the Reform candidate for Chelmsford is a
perfect illustration of the nastiness that is so typical of Reform.
Reform UK candidate described autistic people as "vegetables"
https://www.thetimes.com/article/reform-uk-candidate-described-
autistic-people-as-vegetables-tvgtxkx3p
Well, I'm autistic and I'm not offended by it. Can't anyone on the
Left take a joke nowadays? Reform are a breath of fresh air against
all this Wokist PC claptrap and I for one will be voting for them
tomorrow. Go Nigel!
Nowadays youngsters try to be as offended as possible. After all,
victimhood has become a virtue.
For some of today's snowflakes, victimhood comes naturally following a
schooling which teaches them to be highly self-centred.
That about sums it up.
--
I was brought up to believe that you should never give offence if you can avoid it; the new culture tells us you should always take offence if you can. There are now experts in the art of taking offence, indeed whole academic subjects, such as 'gender studies', devoted to it.

Roger Scruton
Fakir Neejit
2024-07-06 13:01:25 UTC
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Post by Pamela
Post by Nick Hayward
Post by Fakir Neejit
On Tue, 2 Jul 2024 23:02:28 -0000 (UTC), Cursitor Doom
Post by Cursitor Doom
[...]
Yes, quite so! :-D Reform UK are the ones currently under attack by
dark, antidemocratic forces - chiefly the Lefty BBC. But all the
main media channels have been desperate to air-brush Reform out of
the public's consciousness since that first major TV debate when
support for Reform instantly doubled overnight thanks to a typically
charismatic performance by Nigel Farage.
Farage is an odious little shit leading an equally odious party.
Anybody supporting them is either stupid or gullible, probably both.
This vile rubbish from the Reform candidate for Chelmsford is a
perfect illustration of the nastiness that is so typical of Reform.
Reform UK candidate described autistic people as "vegetables"
https://www.thetimes.com/article/reform-uk-candidate-described-
autistic-people-as-vegetables-tvgtxkx3p
Well, I'm autistic and I'm not offended by it. Can't anyone on the
Left take a joke nowadays? Reform are a breath of fresh air against
all this Wokist PC claptrap and I for one will be voting for them
tomorrow. Go Nigel!
Nowadays youngsters try to be as offended as possible. After all,
victimhood has become a virtue.
For some of today's snowflakes, victimhood comes naturally following a
schooling which teaches them to be highly self-centred.
There'll be fewer of them when VAT is charged on private education,
Post by Pamela
The youngsters then use it as an excuse to go wild behaving like
authoritarians.
Vir Campestris
2024-07-05 10:00:54 UTC
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Post by Fakir Neejit
Farage is an odious little shit leading an equally odious party.
Anybody supporting them is either stupid or gullible, probably both.
This vile rubbish from the Reform candidate for Chelmsford is a
perfect illustration of the nastiness that is so typical of Reform.
Reform UK candidate described autistic people as ‘vegetables’
https://www.thetimes.com/article/reform-uk-candidate-described-autistic-people-as-vegetables-tvgtxkx3p
It implies a certain lack of intelligence to post the same link three
times within a few hours.

Autism BTW is a spectrum. It's not that you have it, or you don't.

Andy
The Natural Philosopher
2024-07-05 10:09:22 UTC
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Post by Fakir Neejit
Farage is an odious little shit leading an equally odious party.
Anybody supporting them is either stupid or gullible, probably both.
This vile rubbish from the Reform candidate for Chelmsford is a
perfect illustration of the nastiness that is so typical of Reform.
Reform UK candidate described autistic people as ‘vegetables’
https://www.thetimes.com/article/reform-uk-candidate-described-autistic-people-as-vegetables-tvgtxkx3p
It implies a certain lack of intelligence to post the same link three
times within a few hours.
Autism BTW is a spectrum. It's not that you have it, or you don't.
It's basically a way of saying 'all brains are different, and some are
more different than others'
Post by Vir Campestris
Andy
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There is nothing a fleet of dispatchable nuclear power plants cannot do
that cannot be done worse and more expensively and with higher carbon
emissions and more adverse environmental impact by adding intermittent
renewable energy.
Fakir Neejit
2024-07-05 13:06:05 UTC
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On Fri, 5 Jul 2024 11:00:54 +0100, Vir Campestris
Post by Vir Campestris
Post by Fakir Neejit
Farage is an odious little shit leading an equally odious party.
Anybody supporting them is either stupid or gullible, probably both.
This vile rubbish from the Reform candidate for Chelmsford is a
perfect illustration of the nastiness that is so typical of Reform.
Reform UK candidate described autistic people as ‘vegetables’
https://www.thetimes.com/article/reform-uk-candidate-described-autistic-people-as-vegetables-tvgtxkx3p
It implies a certain lack of intelligence to post the same link three
times within a few hours.
Autism BTW is a spectrum. It's not that you have it, or you don't.
You have to draw the line somewhere, otherwise the term is
meaningless.
Post by Vir Campestris
Andy
Rod Speed
2024-07-06 20:01:55 UTC
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On Wed, 03 Jul 2024 09:02:28 +1000, Cursitor Doom
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Post by Ottavio Caruso
The Fr*nch L*ftards have declared they will start a civil war if the
people of Fr*nce democratically elect a right wing party to lead the
country.
Same thing in Germany right now. The AFD Party - a recent force on the
centre right which enjoys about 40% support currently - is under threat of
being banned as "extremist"(!) and they actually have parliamentarians
from one of the other established parties stating they will try to get a
Bill through to achieve this. Naturally those pressing for the abolition
of the AFD are Lefties, just as in France.
Post by Ottavio Caruso
Am I right in thinking democracy is only good when you win but bad when
you lose
That's what Rishi Sunak believes. Remember that little speech he made
outside No.10 after George Galloway was legitimately elected to the House
of Commons recently? Like Galloway or loathe him, he *was* legitimately
elected and it's not for anyone to try overturning it.
Post by Ottavio Caruso
(Before you make silly comparisons wit Br*xit: L*bour leaders are
notoriously incapable of eating a ham sandwich, let alone revolt in the
street)
I actually like this: it makes us Italians look composed, measured,
reliable, predictable, even boring.
Yes, quite so! :-D
Reform UK are the ones currently under attack by dark, antidemocratic
forces - chiefly the Lefty BBC. But all the main media channels have been
desperate to air-brush Reform out of the public's consciousness since that
first major TV debate when support for Reform instantly doubled overnight
thanks to a typically charismatic performance by Nigel Farage.
And of course there's Trump in America
Who claimed that the vote was rigged and that he
didnt lose the election and got his goons to storm
the capitol and try to get the election result cancelled.
Post by Cursitor Doom
who's being attacked by a
weaponised legal system desperate to de-rail his prospects of re-election
come November. And again, this the dirty work of Left-wing, ironically-
named 'Democratic Party.'
These underhand tactics by the Left are going to start civil wars in many
Western countries by the way they're carrying on.
Fantasy, NOT ONE modern first world country has even had
more than just the one civil war except the stupid greeks.
Nomen Nescio
2024-07-05 15:14:32 UTC
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Post by alan_m
"Reform UK candidate described autistic people as ‘vegetables’
Darren Ingrouille, the party’s prospective MP for Chelmsford, made the
jibe on social media"
This yobbo is typical of the candidates and supporters of Reform.
Yobbo?
Is this the same as the left calling someone racist to stifle discussion
on anything they didn't agree with?
No.
Post by alan_m
Is this the same as everyone who voted leave in the Brexit referendum
being branded as a Sun reading moron?
A fair assessment.
Post by alan_m
Is this the same as anyone questioning policy of relying in future on
only sun and wind being classed as climate deniers?
A fair assessment.
Post by alan_m
Have you considered many people who may vote Reform are not necessarily
agreeing with candidates but want to register that fact that they can
bothered to vote but for "none of the above".  They want the self
serving politicians in the Tory party out but don't want to vote for the
left in the form of Labour and the Greens.
Any sensible person wants to see the back of the Nasty party.
Indeed. The planks voted for the new Nazi party (4 seats) and
actually elected 412 LABOUR MP's
Unfortunately the really nasty party - the party of racism,
anti-semitism, women with penises - are now holding the reins.
With no ideas whatsoever as to what to do next.
All proven to be lies, unlike the daily wail, a proven active 5th column. So how is life taking it
up the arse in tel aviv aka cohenberg?
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