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Dave Plowman (News)
2021-07-16 16:02:33 UTC
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Seems those on here who hyped it up and expected it to be a great success
were wrong once more. Audience has halved since the opening. Sometimes so
small it can't be measured.
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Andy Burns
2021-07-16 16:13:03 UTC
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Seems those on here who hyped it up and expected it to be a great success
were wrong once more. Audience has halved since the opening. Sometimes so
small it can't be measured.
For most people, it's easier to have something on in the background for
listening to, rather than watching. There's not much on GBNews (apart
from GdP for Bill) that's visual, it would be better off as radio rather
than TV.
JNugent
2021-07-16 16:13:44 UTC
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Seems those on here who hyped it up and expected it to be a great success
were wrong once more. Audience has halved since the opening. Sometimes so
small it can't be measured.
Wait till Andrew Neil gets back on screen.

Alistair <sp?> Stewart is shaping up nicely too.
Bob Eager
2021-07-16 16:50:51 UTC
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Seems those on here who hyped it up and expected it to be a great
success were wrong once more. Audience has halved since the opening.
Sometimes so small it can't be measured.
Wait till Andrew Neil gets back on screen.
If you believe he ever will.
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Mark Carver
2021-07-17 13:19:47 UTC
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Alistair <sp?> Stewart is shaping up nicely too.
He broke his hip yesterday, after being kicked by one of his horses, so
he'll be off the screen for a while.
williamwright
2021-07-17 23:58:54 UTC
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Alistair <sp?> Stewart is shaping up nicely too.
He broke his hip yesterday, after being kicked by one of his horses, so
he'll be off the screen for a while.
Basingstoke Gazette?

Bill
Mark Carver
2021-07-18 14:32:29 UTC
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Alistair <sp?> Stewart is shaping up nicely too.
He broke his hip yesterday, after being kicked by one of his horses,
so he'll be off the screen for a while.
Basingstoke Gazette?
No, but I'm surprised they haven't latched on to the news yet

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Pancho
2021-07-16 16:38:49 UTC
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Seems those on here who hyped it up and expected it to be a great success
were wrong once more. Audience has halved since the opening. Sometimes so
small it can't be measured.
I suspect their timing is wrong, their medium is wrong.

People no longer look to broadcast TV, we have the internet now. If
people want to see right wing opinion, there are many other places on
the web that they can find it.
Pancho
2021-07-17 07:28:10 UTC
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People no longer look to broadcast TV, we have the internet now. If
people want to see right wing opinion, there are many other places on
the web that they can find it.
And if they want left wing opinion they can get it on BBC1, BBC2, BBC3,
BBC4, Radio 4, Radio 5, Channel Four, to name but a few.
Bill
I don't have a TV licence, so I can't really comment.

But... Yes, The appeal of Fox was that it filled a gap in the market,
gave an alternative opinion to that of other MSM channels. I think that
is probably also the case in the UK. The problem for GB News is that the
Web happened. The MSM is no longer the only game in town. People who
wanted alternative anti-woke shows looked on the Internet. GBNews is old
generals refighting the last war.

The current war is freedom of speech on social media. The establishment
will try everything to create an environment where they can censor it.
Paedophilia, terrorism and now hate speech.

The woke agenda is being bankroled by the establishment so that they can
exploit it as a tool for censorship. Once the establishment has gained
the right to censor free speech, they will use it to oppress
disadvantaged groups just as they always have.
Brian Gaff (Sofa)
2021-07-17 07:45:41 UTC
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Any opinion for that matter. It seems though when I have viewed it that
apart from some of the presenters who are known for their views, they are
nowhere near as right wing as Fox in the states for example, they are a
station they should rename, apologetic news.
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Post by Dave Plowman (News)
Seems those on here who hyped it up and expected it to be a great success
were wrong once more. Audience has halved since the opening. Sometimes so
small it can't be measured.
I suspect their timing is wrong, their medium is wrong.
People no longer look to broadcast TV, we have the internet now. If people
want to see right wing opinion, there are many other places on the web
that they can find it.
Dave Plowman (News)
2021-07-17 11:30:36 UTC
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People no longer look to broadcast TV, we have the internet now. If
people want to see right wing opinion, there are many other places on
the web that they can find it.
And if they want left wing opinion they can get it on BBC1, BBC2, BBC3,
BBC4, Radio 4, Radio 5, Channel Four, to name but a few.
Does this then mean the average right winger is too stupid to be able to
find a new news service on his TV? Or just likes to whinge on and on and
on about everything else being left wing?

Odd really. Anyone who watches every single news on every single channel
to form the opinion they are all left wing would surely have welcomed one
which shared their views and watched it avidly?
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nightjar
2021-07-17 18:46:52 UTC
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Seems those on here who hyped it up and expected it to be a great success
were wrong once more. Audience has halved since the opening. Sometimes so
small it can't be measured.
I suspect their timing is wrong, their medium is wrong.
People no longer look to broadcast TV, we have the internet now. If
people want to see right wing opinion, there are many other places on
the web that they can find it.
That is because broadcast TV in the UK is legally obliged to provide
accurate and impartial presentation of the news, while no such rules
apply to social media and other online services.
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Bob Eager
2021-07-17 20:05:49 UTC
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Post by Dave Plowman (News)
Seems those on here who hyped it up and expected it to be a great
success were wrong once more. Audience has halved since the opening.
Sometimes so small it can't be measured.
I suspect their timing is wrong, their medium is wrong.
People no longer look to broadcast TV, we have the internet now. If
people want to see right wing opinion, there are many other places on
the web that they can find it.
That is because broadcast TV in the UK is legally obliged to provide
accurate and impartial presentation of the news, while no such rules
apply to social media and other online services.
I still want to know what this Michael Gove superinjunction is about.
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JNugent
2021-07-18 03:05:25 UTC
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Post by Dave Plowman (News)
Seems those on here who hyped it up and expected it to be a great success
were wrong once more. Audience has halved since the opening.
Sometimes so
small it can't be measured.
I suspect their timing is wrong, their medium is wrong.
People no longer look to broadcast TV, we have the internet now. If
people want to see right wing opinion, there are many other places on
the web that they can find it.
That is because broadcast TV in the UK is legally obliged to provide
accurate and impartial presentation of the news, while no such rules
apply to social media and other online services.
Someone ought to tell ITN and Channel Four News about that legal
obligation. They cannot have heard of it.
The Natural Philosopher
2021-07-18 06:54:59 UTC
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Post by Dave Plowman (News)
Seems those on here who hyped it up and expected it to be a great success
were wrong once more. Audience has halved since the opening. Sometimes so
small it can't be measured.
I suspect their timing is wrong, their medium is wrong.
People no longer look to broadcast TV, we have the internet now. If
people want to see right wing opinion, there are many other places on
the web that they can find it.
That is because broadcast TV in the UK is legally obliged to provide
accurate and impartial presentation of the news, while no such rules
apply to social media and other online services.
Someone ought to tell ITN and Channel Four News about that legal
obligation. They cannot have heard of it.
Nor the BBC
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Bob Eager
2021-07-18 08:34:43 UTC
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Seems those on here who hyped it up and expected it to be a great
success were wrong once more. Audience has halved since the opening.
Sometimes so small it can't be measured.
I suspect their timing is wrong, their medium is wrong.
People no longer look to broadcast TV, we have the internet now. If
people want to see right wing opinion, there are many other places on
the web that they can find it.
That is because broadcast TV in the UK is legally obliged to provide
accurate and impartial presentation of the news, while no such rules
apply to social media and other online services.
Someone ought to tell ITN and Channel Four News about that legal
obligation. They cannot have heard of it.
The BBC manage to be biased by simple omission.
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Andrew
2021-07-18 16:25:31 UTC
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Seems those on here who hyped it up and expected it to be a great
success were wrong once more. Audience has halved since the opening.
Sometimes so small it can't be measured.
I suspect their timing is wrong, their medium is wrong.
People no longer look to broadcast TV, we have the internet now. If
people want to see right wing opinion, there are many other places on
the web that they can find it.
That is because broadcast TV in the UK is legally obliged to provide
accurate and impartial presentation of the news, while no such rules
apply to social media and other online services.
Someone ought to tell ITN and Channel Four News about that legal
obligation. They cannot have heard of it.
The BBC manage to be biased by simple omission.
+1

The stuff they don't want you to hear is mentioned briefly on the
06:00 AM news bulletin immediately after Farming Today and Tweet of
the day. Then you won't hear it again during the day when most people
are awake.
nightjar
2021-07-18 09:21:16 UTC
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Seems those on here who hyped it up and expected it to be a great success
were wrong once more. Audience has halved since the opening. Sometimes so
small it can't be measured.
I suspect their timing is wrong, their medium is wrong.
People no longer look to broadcast TV, we have the internet now. If
people want to see right wing opinion, there are many other places on
the web that they can find it.
That is because broadcast TV in the UK is legally obliged to provide
accurate and impartial presentation of the news, while no such rules
apply to social media and other online services.
Someone ought to tell ITN and Channel Four News about that legal
obligation. They cannot have heard of it.
If you believe any UK broadcaster has breached the broadcasting code in
any way, you should complain to Ofcom, who will investigate. They do
receive many complaints about bias, but usually from people who think
their views should receive more prominence than an impartial
presentation would allow.
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Max Demian
2021-07-18 09:58:41 UTC
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Someone ought to tell ITN and Channel Four News about that legal
obligation. They cannot have heard of it.
If you believe any UK broadcaster has breached the broadcasting code in
any way, you should complain to Ofcom, who will investigate. They do
receive many complaints about bias, but usually from people who think
their views should receive more prominence than an impartial
presentation would allow.
And Ofcom will decide on the basis of Ofcom's views (whatever they are).
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JNugent
2021-07-18 11:33:29 UTC
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Someone ought to tell ITN and Channel Four News about that legal
obligation. They cannot have heard of it.
If you believe any UK broadcaster has breached the broadcasting code
in any way, you should complain to Ofcom, who will investigate. They
do receive many complaints about bias, but usually from people who
think their views should receive more prominence than an impartial
presentation would allow.
And Ofcom will decide on the basis of Ofcom's views (whatever they are).
As a watchdog, they are required to be independent of any particular view.
https://www.ofcom.org.uk/about-ofcom/what-is-ofcom
Are they unable to receive Channel Four at their offices?
Max Demian
2021-07-18 12:49:53 UTC
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Someone ought to tell ITN and Channel Four News about that legal
obligation. They cannot have heard of it.
If you believe any UK broadcaster has breached the broadcasting code
in any way, you should complain to Ofcom, who will investigate. They
do receive many complaints about bias, but usually from people who
think their views should receive more prominence than an impartial
presentation would allow.
And Ofcom will decide on the basis of Ofcom's views (whatever they are).
As a watchdog, they are required to be independent of any particular view.
Everyone has a view. The only way you can be "independent of any
particular view" is not to express any opinion about anything, i.e
laissez-faire, in which case they would be out of a job.
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JNugent
2021-07-18 13:00:39 UTC
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Someone ought to tell ITN and Channel Four News about that legal
obligation. They cannot have heard of it.
If you believe any UK broadcaster has breached the broadcasting
code in any way, you should complain to Ofcom, who will
investigate. They do receive many complaints about bias, but
usually from people who think their views should receive more
prominence than an impartial presentation would allow.
And Ofcom will decide on the basis of Ofcom's views (whatever they are).
As a watchdog, they are required to be independent of any particular view.
Everyone has a view. The only way you can be "independent of any
particular view" is not to express any opinion about anything, i.e
laissez-faire, in which case they would be out of a job.
The BBC and ITN used to manage it. It started to go wrong for the BBC in
the mid-sixties. For ITN, probably in the 1970s.
JNugent
2021-07-18 13:01:35 UTC
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Someone ought to tell ITN and Channel Four News about that legal
obligation. They cannot have heard of it.
If you believe any UK broadcaster has breached the broadcasting
code in any way, you should complain to Ofcom, who will
investigate. They do receive many complaints about bias, but
usually from people who think their views should receive more
prominence than an impartial presentation would allow.
And Ofcom will decide on the basis of Ofcom's views (whatever they are).
As a watchdog, they are required to be independent of any particular view.
Everyone has a view. The only way you can be "independent of any
particular view" is not to express any opinion about anything, i.e
laissez-faire, in which case they would be out of a job.
For a *news* service, what's wrong in not expressing an opinion at all,
but merely reporting the news, fairly and without bias?
Dave Plowman (News)
2021-07-18 14:27:05 UTC
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For a *news* service, what's wrong in not expressing an opinion at all,
but merely reporting the news, fairly and without bias?
Or rather not reporting any news that shows your favourite up?
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JNugent
2021-07-18 14:56:36 UTC
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For a *news* service, what's wrong in not expressing an opinion at all,
but merely reporting the news, fairly and without bias?
Or rather not reporting any news that shows your favourite up?
Neutrality.

The opposition (and to some extent, the press) have the job of "showing
up the government" and vice-versa.
Bob Eager
2021-07-18 17:56:12 UTC
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For a *news* service, what's wrong in not expressing an opinion at all,
but merely reporting the news, fairly and without bias?
Or rather not reporting any news that shows your favourite up?
I notice that Fartage is now joining GBeebies.

This has been hailed as one of those rare occurrences of a rat joining a
sinking ship.
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Martin Brown
2021-07-18 21:20:16 UTC
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For a *news* service, what's wrong in not expressing an opinion at all,
but merely reporting the news, fairly and without bias?
Or rather not reporting any news that shows your favourite up?
I notice that Fartage is now joining GBeebies.
This has been hailed as one of those rare occurrences of a rat joining a
sinking ship.
He's a rat with nine lives though.
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Tim Streater
2021-07-18 21:44:49 UTC
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For a *news* service, what's wrong in not expressing an opinion at all,
but merely reporting the news, fairly and without bias?
Or rather not reporting any news that shows your favourite up?
I notice that Fartage is now joining GBeebies.
This has been hailed as one of those rare occurrences of a rat joining a
sinking ship.
He's a rat with nine lives though.
He should become the Labour leader. They'd sweep to power at the next election
and that would be the end of Momentum.
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JNugent
2021-07-18 21:48:00 UTC
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For a *news* service, what's wrong in not expressing an opinion at all,
but merely reporting the news, fairly and without bias?
Or rather not reporting any news that shows your favourite up?
I notice that Fartage is now joining GBeebies.
This has been hailed as one of those rare occurrences of a rat joining a
sinking ship.
He's a rat with nine lives though.
He should become the Labour leader. They'd sweep to power at the next election
and that would be the end of Momentum.
:-)

Many a true word...
Dave Plowman (News)
2021-07-19 13:07:48 UTC
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For a *news* service, what's wrong in not expressing an opinion at
all, but merely reporting the news, fairly and without bias?
Or rather not reporting any news that shows your favourite up?
I notice that Fartage is now joining GBeebies.
This has been hailed as one of those rare occurrences of a rat
joining a sinking ship.
He's a rat with nine lives though.
He should become the Labour leader. They'd sweep to power at the next
election and that would be the end of Momentum.
Thanks for confirming you'd vote for any old party if it had the right
'personality' as leader.

But then you likely think Farage a socialist anyway. In the same vein as
the National Socialist Party of the old Germany.
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Custos Custodum
2021-07-18 22:51:27 UTC
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For a *news* service, what's wrong in not expressing an opinion at all,
but merely reporting the news, fairly and without bias?
Or rather not reporting any news that shows your favourite up?
I notice that Fartage is now joining GBeebies.
This has been hailed as one of those rare occurrences of a rat joining a
sinking ship.
It looks like the obnoxious cow, Katie Hopkins, will be available
shortly as well. Her mouth should attract a few libel/slander actions.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-07-19/katie-hopkins-visa-cancelled-deported-channel-seven/100303648
The Natural Philosopher
2021-07-19 07:54:33 UTC
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For a *news* service, what's wrong in not expressing an opinion at all,
but merely reporting the news, fairly and without bias?
Or rather not reporting any news that shows your favourite up?
I notice that Fartage is now joining GBeebies.
This has been hailed as one of those rare occurrences of a rat joining a
sinking ship.
You really are a prime cunt aren't you?

Sneering, hate filled, anti british tear it all down and create as much
social tension as possible Trot...
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Fredxx
2021-07-19 11:49:35 UTC
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For a *news* service, what's wrong in not expressing an opinion at all,
but merely reporting the news, fairly and without bias?
Or rather not reporting any news that shows your favourite up?
I notice that Fartage is now joining GBeebies.
This has been hailed as one of those rare occurrences of a rat joining a
sinking ship.
You really are a prime cunt aren't you?
Alternatively you could have told us all how well funded this channel is?
Max Demian
2021-07-18 22:12:04 UTC
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Everyone has a view. The only way you can be "independent of any
particular view" is not to express any opinion about anything, i.e
laissez-faire, in which case they would be out of a job.
For a *news* service, what's wrong in not expressing an opinion at all,
but merely reporting the news, fairly and without bias?
You still have to decide which items are newsworthy.
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JNugent
2021-07-18 23:13:28 UTC
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Everyone has a view. The only way you can be "independent of any
particular view" is not to express any opinion about anything, i.e
laissez-faire, in which case they would be out of a job.
For a *news* service, what's wrong in not expressing an opinion at
all, but merely reporting the news, fairly and without bias?
You still have to decide which items are newsworthy.
That's true. But both the BBC and ITN used to manage that and still
didn't see themselves as an alternative to Hansard.
Dave Plowman (News)
2021-07-18 14:25:24 UTC
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Someone ought to tell ITN and Channel Four News about that legal
obligation. They cannot have heard of it.
If you believe any UK broadcaster has breached the broadcasting code
in any way, you should complain to Ofcom, who will investigate. They
do receive many complaints about bias, but usually from people who
think their views should receive more prominence than an impartial
presentation would allow.
And Ofcom will decide on the basis of Ofcom's views (whatever they are).
As a watchdog, they are required to be independent of any particular view.
Everyone has a view. The only way you can be "independent of any
particular view" is not to express any opinion about anything, i.e
laissez-faire, in which case they would be out of a job.
Giving a politician of any party a hard time is showing bias. At that
point in time. And it's obvious there is more to criticise with the party
in power than the opposition. Because they are the ones making laws.
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nightjar
2021-07-18 16:15:43 UTC
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Someone ought to tell ITN and Channel Four News about that legal
obligation. They cannot have heard of it.
If you believe any UK broadcaster has breached the broadcasting
code in any way, you should complain to Ofcom, who will
investigate. They do receive many complaints about bias, but
usually from people who think their views should receive more
prominence than an impartial presentation would allow.
And Ofcom will decide on the basis of Ofcom's views (whatever they are).
As a watchdog, they are required to be independent of any particular view.
Everyone has a view. The only way you can be "independent of any
particular view" is not to express any opinion about anything, i.e
laissez-faire, in which case they would be out of a job.
The only view they are permitted to have is whether or not the
Broadcasting Code has been broken.
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nightjar
2021-07-18 16:14:45 UTC
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Someone ought to tell ITN and Channel Four News about that legal
obligation. They cannot have heard of it.
If you believe any UK broadcaster has breached the broadcasting code
in any way, you should complain to Ofcom, who will investigate. They
do receive many complaints about bias, but usually from people who
think their views should receive more prominence than an impartial
presentation would allow.
And Ofcom will decide on the basis of Ofcom's views (whatever they are).
As a watchdog, they are required to be independent of any particular view.
https://www.ofcom.org.uk/about-ofcom/what-is-ofcom
Are they unable to receive Channel Four at their offices?
A complaint lodged with them is far more likely to result in an
investigation than sitting back and hoping they will see the same bias
you may think exists.
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Seems those on here who hyped it up and expected it to be a great success
were wrong once more. Audience has halved since the opening. Sometimes so
small it can't be measured.
I suspect their timing is wrong, their medium is wrong.
People no longer look to broadcast TV, we have the internet now. If
people want to see right wing opinion, there are many other places on
the web that they can find it.
That is because broadcast TV in the UK is legally obliged to provide
accurate and impartial presentation of the news, while no such rules
apply to social media and other online services.
Someone ought to tell ITN and Channel Four News about that legal
obligation. They cannot have heard of it.
If you believe any UK broadcaster has breached the broadcasting code in
any way, you should complain to Ofcom, who will investigate. They do
receive many complaints about bias, but usually from people who think
their views should receive more prominence than an impartial
presentation would allow.
But the right wing view should be the only one allowed? Given we have a
right wing government? And the government owns the BBC so they should be
its mouthpiece?
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newshound
2021-07-18 10:48:21 UTC
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Seems those on here who hyped it up and expected it to be a great success
were wrong once more. Audience has halved since the opening. Sometimes so
small it can't be measured.
I suspect their timing is wrong, their medium is wrong.
People no longer look to broadcast TV, we have the internet now. If
people want to see right wing opinion, there are many other places on
the web that they can find it.
That is because broadcast TV in the UK is legally obliged to provide
accurate and impartial presentation of the news, while no such rules
apply to social media and other online services.
Someone ought to tell ITN and Channel Four News about that legal
obligation. They cannot have heard of it.
If you believe any UK broadcaster has breached the broadcasting code in
any way, you should complain to Ofcom, who will investigate. They do
receive many complaints about bias, but usually from people who think
their views should receive more prominence than an impartial
presentation would allow.
But the right wing view should be the only one allowed? Given we have a
right wing government? And the government owns the BBC so they should be
its mouthpiece?
Once upon a time, one could rely on the "common sense" of the UK general
public. If a party of whatever persuasion was seen to controlling
broadcast media too much there would have been a backlash.

It was always a bit odd that the working class bought newspapers
controlled by right-wing press barons (and the Daily Worker was, to most
people, a bit of a joke). But the barons had a shrewd instinct for what
they could get away with.

To my mind, Social Media (and the rest of the net) has significantly
changed they dynamic. A big enough proportion of people are influenced
by "populism" leading to Trump, Brexit, and BoJo's majority.

But let's not make the mistake of believing this implies widespread
popularity. Thatcher was usually regarded as being divisive, but I think
she enjoyed much more respect (sometimes grudging) than, say, Trump or BoJo.
Rod Speed
2021-07-18 19:03:19 UTC
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Seems those on here who hyped it up and expected it to be a great
success were wrong once more. Audience has halved since the opening.
Sometimes so small it can't be measured.
I suspect their timing is wrong, their medium is wrong.
People no longer look to broadcast TV, we have the internet now. If
people want to see right wing opinion, there are many other places on
the web that they can find it.
That is because broadcast TV in the UK is legally obliged to provide
accurate and impartial presentation of the news, while no such rules
apply to social media and other online services.
Someone ought to tell ITN and Channel Four News about that legal
obligation. They cannot have heard of it.
If you believe any UK broadcaster has breached the broadcasting code in
any way, you should complain to Ofcom, who will investigate. They do
receive many complaints about bias, but usually from people who think
their views should receive more prominence than an impartial
presentation would allow.
But the right wing view should be the only one allowed? Given we have a
right wing government? And the government owns the BBC so they should be
its mouthpiece?
Once upon a time, one could rely on the "common sense" of the UK general
public. If a party of whatever persuasion was seen to controlling
broadcast media too much there would have been a backlash.
I don’t buy that.
Post by newshound
It was always a bit odd that the working class bought newspapers
controlled by right-wing press barons
Not really.
Post by newshound
(and the Daily Worker was, to most people, a bit of a joke).
But the barons had a shrewd instinct for what they could get away with.
And that’s why the rabble bought their newspapers.
Post by newshound
To my mind, Social Media (and the rest of the net) has significantly
changed they dynamic. A big enough proportion of people are influenced by
"populism"
Nothing new about that. That’s how Adolf
and Mouseolini got to where they got to.
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leading to Trump,
That was very different, essentially enough royally
pissed off at what the political system had delivered
for them. Very similar to Adolf in many ways.
Post by newshound
Brexit,
That’s also very different, the voters actually
getting a say in something directly.
Post by newshound
and BoJo's majority.
Also very different, due to how completely hopeless Corbyn was.

Corse Starmer isn't any better, just as bad in other ways.
Post by newshound
But let's not make the mistake of believing this implies widespread
popularity. Thatcher was usually regarded as being divisive, but I think
she enjoyed much more respect (sometimes grudging) than, say, Trump or BoJo.
She didn’t really until the Falklands.

And didn’t with her stupid poll tax either.
Peeler
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Seems those on here who hyped it up and expected it to be a great success
were wrong once more. Audience has halved since the opening. Sometimes so
small it can't be measured.
I suspect their timing is wrong, their medium is wrong.
People no longer look to broadcast TV, we have the internet now. If
people want to see right wing opinion, there are many other places on
the web that they can find it.
That is because broadcast TV in the UK is legally obliged to provide
accurate and impartial presentation of the news, while no such rules
apply to social media and other online services.
Someone ought to tell ITN and Channel Four News about that legal
obligation. They cannot have heard of it.
If you believe any UK broadcaster has breached the broadcasting code in
any way, you should complain to Ofcom, who will investigate. They do
receive many complaints about bias, but usually from people who think
their views should receive more prominence than an impartial
presentation would allow.
But the right wing view should be the only one allowed? Given we have a
right wing government? And the government owns the BBC so they should be
its mouthpiece?
The Government does NOT own the BBC. It's a public Corporation.
I read somewhere that the licence fee is now regarded as a tax.
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JNugent
2021-07-18 14:52:02 UTC
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Seems those on here who hyped it up and expected it to be a great success
were wrong once more. Audience has halved since the opening. Sometimes so
small it can't be measured.
I suspect their timing is wrong, their medium is wrong.
People no longer look to broadcast TV, we have the internet now. If
people want to see right wing opinion, there are many other places on
the web that they can find it.
That is because broadcast TV in the UK is legally obliged to provide
accurate and impartial presentation of the news, while no such rules
apply to social media and other online services.
Someone ought to tell ITN and Channel Four News about that legal
obligation. They cannot have heard of it.
If you believe any UK broadcaster has breached the broadcasting code in
any way, you should complain to Ofcom, who will investigate. They do
receive many complaints about bias, but usually from people who think
their views should receive more prominence than an impartial
presentation would allow.
But the right wing view should be the only one allowed? Given we have a
right wing government? And the government owns the BBC so they should be
its mouthpiece?
The Government does NOT own the BBC. It's a public Corporation.
I read somewhere that the licence fee is now regarded as a tax.
<shrug> There are some people who - just as "convincingly" - say that a
reduction in means-tested benefit entitlement when earned income
increases is a "tax".
Dave Plowman (News)
2021-07-18 14:23:09 UTC
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Seems those on here who hyped it up and expected it to be a great success
were wrong once more. Audience has halved since the opening. Sometimes so
small it can't be measured.
I suspect their timing is wrong, their medium is wrong.
People no longer look to broadcast TV, we have the internet now. If
people want to see right wing opinion, there are many other places on
the web that they can find it.
That is because broadcast TV in the UK is legally obliged to provide
accurate and impartial presentation of the news, while no such rules
apply to social media and other online services.
Someone ought to tell ITN and Channel Four News about that legal
obligation. They cannot have heard of it.
If you believe any UK broadcaster has breached the broadcasting code in
any way, you should complain to Ofcom, who will investigate. They do
receive many complaints about bias, but usually from people who think
their views should receive more prominence than an impartial
presentation would allow.
But the right wing view should be the only one allowed? Given we have a
right wing government? And the government owns the BBC so they should be
its mouthpiece?
Neutrality should be the only "view" allowed.
The BBC and ITN *used* to manage it.
Judging by those who complain most, neutrality is the last thing they
want. Just pure adulation of BoJo and his other cronies.
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JNugent
2021-07-18 14:54:59 UTC
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Seems those on here who hyped it up and expected it to be a great success
were wrong once more. Audience has halved since the opening. Sometimes so
small it can't be measured.
I suspect their timing is wrong, their medium is wrong.
People no longer look to broadcast TV, we have the internet now. If
people want to see right wing opinion, there are many other places on
the web that they can find it.
That is because broadcast TV in the UK is legally obliged to provide
accurate and impartial presentation of the news, while no such rules
apply to social media and other online services.
Someone ought to tell ITN and Channel Four News about that legal
obligation. They cannot have heard of it.
If you believe any UK broadcaster has breached the broadcasting code in
any way, you should complain to Ofcom, who will investigate. They do
receive many complaints about bias, but usually from people who think
their views should receive more prominence than an impartial
presentation would allow.
But the right wing view should be the only one allowed? Given we have a
right wing government? And the government owns the BBC so they should be
its mouthpiece?
Neutrality should be the only "view" allowed.
The BBC and ITN *used* to manage it.
Judging by those who complain most, neutrality is the last thing they
want. Just pure adulation of BoJo and his other cronies.
I want 1950s / early 1960s style neutrality in broadcast media.

I want to be unable to sense what a newscaster's or news producer's own
views are.
Dave Plowman (News)
2021-07-19 10:02:48 UTC
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I want 1950s / early 1960s style neutrality in broadcast media.
You must be incredibly old if you took an interest in such things then.
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JNugent
2021-07-19 15:28:15 UTC
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I want 1950s / early 1960s style neutrality in broadcast media.
You must be incredibly old if you took an interest in such things then.
I doubt that I am older than you.

You must have been in the industry, or at least interested in it, at
that time.
Dave Plowman (News)
2021-07-20 10:20:18 UTC
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I want 1950s / early 1960s style neutrality in broadcast media.
You must be incredibly old if you took an interest in such things then.
I doubt that I am older than you.
You must have been in the industry, or at least interested in it, at
that time.
In the 50s? You jest? Few schoolboys are interested enough in politics to
decide if there is any bias in a political interview. Besides, only the
BBC then. So nothing to compare it with - other than the press. Which is
always biased.
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JNugent
2021-07-20 14:56:22 UTC
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I want 1950s / early 1960s style neutrality in broadcast media.
You must be incredibly old if you took an interest in such things then.
I doubt that I am older than you.
You must have been in the industry, or at least interested in it, at
that time.
In the 50s? You jest? Few schoolboys are interested enough in politics to
decide if there is any bias in a political interview. Besides, only the
BBC then. So nothing to compare it with - other than the press. Which is
always biased.
The period I mentioned was the 1950s through to the mid-1960s.

What I - and many other people - can easily remember was that TV and
radio news was presented in an unbiased and neutral manner.

It all started to change in the mid-1960s, though it took a decade or so
more to start getting as low as the cesspit that it usually is today.
Andrew
2021-07-20 16:40:35 UTC
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I want 1950s / early 1960s style neutrality in broadcast media.
You must be incredibly old if you took an interest in such things then.
I doubt that I am older than you.
You must have been in the industry, or at least interested in it, at
that time.
In the 50s? You jest?  Few schoolboys are interested enough in
politics to
decide if there is any bias in a political interview. Besides, only the
BBC then. So nothing to compare it with - other than the press. Which is
always biased.
The period I mentioned was the 1950s through to the mid-1960s.
Do you mean newscasters wearing morning suits and speaking with a
plum-under-the-tongue accent ?.

Everything was much simpler in those days, only the select London
elite actually knew what was going on, while the rest of the country
was fed a diet a black and white, literally.
charles
2021-07-20 17:22:27 UTC
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I want 1950s / early 1960s style neutrality in broadcast media.
You must be incredibly old if you took an interest in such things then.
I doubt that I am older than you.
You must have been in the industry, or at least interested in it, at
that time.
In the 50s? You jest? Few schoolboys are interested enough in
politics to decide if there is any bias in a political interview.
Besides, only the BBC then. So nothing to compare it with - other than
the press. Which is always biased.
The period I mentioned was the 1950s through to the mid-1960s.
Do you mean newscasters wearing morning suits and speaking with a
plum-under-the-tongue accent ?.
That's an intersting variation on an early piece of fake news. In the
1930s, the Duty Officer - whose 'duty' was to meet and greet visitors -
wore a Dinner Suit in the evenings since that's what any visitors would be
wearing. As a second 'duty', he read the news.
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JNugent
2021-07-20 18:36:57 UTC
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I want 1950s / early 1960s style neutrality in broadcast media.
You must be incredibly old if you took an interest in such things then.
I doubt that I am older than you.
You must have been in the industry, or at least interested in it, at
that time.
In the 50s? You jest?  Few schoolboys are interested enough in
politics to
decide if there is any bias in a political interview. Besides, only the
BBC then. So nothing to compare it with - other than the press. Which is
always biased.
The period I mentioned was the 1950s through to the mid-1960s.
Do you mean newscasters wearing morning suits and speaking with a
plum-under-the-tongue accent ?.
I mean newsreaders who presented the news which had been scripted in a
neutral way. I'm not sure what a morning suit is. There weren't many
news bulletins on TV in the mornings.

Even today, newsreaders tend to speak in RP.
Post by Andrew
Everything was much simpler in those days, only the select London
elite actually knew what was going on, while the rest of the country
was fed a diet a black and white, literally.
Rod Speed
2021-07-20 21:36:06 UTC
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I want 1950s / early 1960s style neutrality in broadcast media.
You must be incredibly old if you took an interest in such things then.
I doubt that I am older than you.
You must have been in the industry, or at least interested in it, at
that time.
In the 50s? You jest? Few schoolboys are interested enough in politics to
decide if there is any bias in a political interview. Besides, only the
BBC then. So nothing to compare it with - other than the press. Which is
always biased.
The period I mentioned was the 1950s through to the mid-1960s.
Do you mean newscasters wearing morning suits and speaking with a
plum-under-the-tongue accent ?.
I mean newsreaders who presented the news which had been scripted in a
neutral way.
I'm not sure what a morning suit is.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Morning_dress

Different to a dinner suit,
Post by JNugent
There weren't many news bulletins on TV in the mornings.
Even today, newsreaders tend to speak in RP.
Post by Andrew
Everything was much simpler in those days, only the select London
elite actually knew what was going on, while the rest of the country
was fed a diet a black and white, literally.
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2021-07-20 21:44:38 UTC
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I want 1950s / early 1960s style neutrality in broadcast media.
You must be incredibly old if you took an interest in such things then.
I doubt that I am older than you.
You must have been in the industry, or at least interested in it, at
that time.
In the 50s? You jest? Few schoolboys are interested enough in politics to
decide if there is any bias in a political interview. Besides, only the
BBC then. So nothing to compare it with - other than the press. Which is
always biased.
The period I mentioned was the 1950s through to the mid-1960s.
Do you mean newscasters wearing morning suits and speaking with a
plum-under-the-tongue accent ?
That would have been pre-ITV, so earlier than 1953 or so.
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2021-07-20 08:05:08 UTC
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I want 1950s / early 1960s style neutrality in broadcast media.
You must be incredibly old if you took an interest in such things then.
I don't think that people (normal people) did take an interest in it at the
time, because it as seen as normal

perhaps people just hanker back to that normality
The Natural Philosopher
2021-07-20 09:59:31 UTC
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I want 1950s / early 1960s style neutrality in broadcast media.
You must be incredibly old if you took an interest in such things then.
I don't think that people (normal people) did take an interest in it at
the time, because it as seen as normal
perhaps people just hanker back to that normality
I think we should be careful.

Looking at today's generation's easy acceptance of green bullshit as
fact, I think back to my youth and realise that there was much then that
I didn't question either. My parents lived through The War, as we
understood it to be spelled...and were comfortable with the fact that of
course the BBC wasn't telling the whole truth, but was part of the war
effort churning out wartime propaganda.

What has changed is the complete takeover of the media from a centre
right position to a more or less Marxist position, although it's couched
as benevolent socialism.

This is the final nail in the coffin from what was a mildly benevolent
elite of educated and experienced people to an new elite of
indoctrinated and classist people that literally hates the plebs and
popular culture and wants an EU style dirigiste government that
dictates cultural norms as well as the law.

In essence where you used to get your morality from the Church, and it
was nothing to do with the Law, now you get it from left wing pressure
groups via the Guardian and the BBC and the push is to encapsulate it in
law.

Hate crime? since when has it been a crime to hate? Why is it never the
hate filled Left that get prosecuted for it? When Maggie died the cool
thing was to revel in hatred of a politician.

The BBC selects what it considers 'important' - wall to wall woke social
issues these days - and tells us what we *ought* to be thinking about it.

Sadly GB news is selecting those same issues although it is at least
presenting them in a far more balanced way.

The real challenge is to select and promote other issues - let's have a
real critique on climate change or renewable energy, perhaps

At least Nigel Farage started off by saying 'look, this is what is
happening with illegal immigration, why are we sweeping this under the
carpet?'

A story that no one else is featuring.
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2021-07-20 10:12:49 UTC
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I want 1950s / early 1960s style neutrality in broadcast media.
You must be incredibly old if you took an interest in such things then.
I don't think that people (normal people) did take an interest in it at
the time, because it as seen as normal
perhaps people just hanker back to that normality
I think we should be careful.
Looking at today's generation's easy acceptance of green bullshit as
fact, I think back to my youth and realise that there was much then that
I didn't question either. My parents lived through The War, as we
understood it to be spelled...and were comfortable with the fact that of
course the BBC wasn't telling the whole truth, but was part of the war
effort churning out wartime propaganda.
What has changed is the complete takeover of the media from a centre
right position to a more or less Marxist position, although it's couched
as benevolent socialism.
This is the final nail in the coffin from what was a mildly benevolent
elite of educated and experienced people to an new elite of
indoctrinated and classist people that literally hates the plebs and
popular culture and wants an EU style dirigiste government that
dictates cultural norms as well as the law.
In essence where you used to get your morality from the Church, and it
was nothing to do with the Law, now you get it from left wing pressure
groups via the Guardian and the BBC and the push is to encapsulate it in
law.
Hate crime? since when has it been a crime to hate? Why is it never the
hate filled Left that get prosecuted for it? When Maggie died the cool
thing was to revel in hatred of a politician.
The BBC selects what it considers 'important' - wall to wall woke social
issues these days - and tells us what we *ought* to be thinking about it.
Sadly GB news is selecting those same issues although it is at least
presenting them in a far more balanced way.
The real challenge is to select and promote other issues - let's have a
real critique on climate change or renewable energy, perhaps
At least Nigel Farage started off by saying 'look, this is what is
happening with illegal immigration, why are we sweeping this under the
carpet?'
A story that no one else is featuring.
How about www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-57897601 ?
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I want 1950s / early 1960s style neutrality in broadcast
media.
You must be incredibly old if you took an interest in such things then.
I don't think that people (normal people) did take an interest in
it at the time, because it as seen as normal
perhaps people just hanker back to that normality
I think we should be careful.
Looking at today's generation's easy acceptance of green bullshit
as fact, I think back to my youth and realise that there was much
then that I didn't question either. My parents lived through The
War, as we understood it to be spelled...and were comfortable with
the fact that of course the BBC wasn't telling the whole truth, but
was part of the war effort churning out wartime propaganda.
What has changed is the complete takeover of the media from a
centre right position to a more or less Marxist position, although
it's couched as benevolent socialism.
This is the final nail in the coffin from what was a mildly
benevolent elite of educated and experienced people to an new elite
of indoctrinated and classist people that literally hates the plebs
and popular culture and wants an EU style dirigiste government
that dictates cultural norms as well as the law.
In essence where you used to get your morality from the Church, and
it was nothing to do with the Law, now you get it from left wing
pressure groups via the Guardian and the BBC and the push is to
encapsulate it in law.
Hate crime? since when has it been a crime to hate? Why is it never
the hate filled Left that get prosecuted for it? When Maggie died
the cool thing was to revel in hatred of a politician.
The BBC selects what it considers 'important' - wall to wall woke
social issues these days - and tells us what we *ought* to be
thinking about it.
Sadly GB news is selecting those same issues although it is at
least presenting them in a far more balanced way.
The real challenge is to select and promote other issues - let's
have a real critique on climate change or renewable energy,
perhaps
At least Nigel Farage started off by saying 'look, this is what is
happening with illegal immigration, why are we sweeping this under
the carpet?'
A story that no one else is featuring.
How about www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-57897601 ?
Post by The Natural Philosopher
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Not enough spittle, for Turnip, I suspect.
The Natural Philosopher
2021-07-20 23:09:09 UTC
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Post by PeterP
On Tue, 20 Jul 2021 11:12:49 +0100
Post by charles
Post by The Natural Philosopher
Post by tim...
Post by Dave Plowman (News)
Post by JNugent
I want 1950s / early 1960s style neutrality in broadcast
media.
You must be incredibly old if you took an interest in such
things then.
I don't think that people (normal people) did take an interest in
it at the time, because it as seen as normal
perhaps people just hanker back to that normality
I think we should be careful.
Looking at today's generation's easy acceptance of green bullshit
as fact, I think back to my youth and realise that there was much
then that I didn't question either. My parents lived through The
War, as we understood it to be spelled...and were comfortable with
the fact that of course the BBC wasn't telling the whole truth, but
was part of the war effort churning out wartime propaganda.
What has changed is the complete takeover of the media from a
centre right position to a more or less Marxist position, although
it's couched as benevolent socialism.
This is the final nail in the coffin from what was a mildly
benevolent elite of educated and experienced people to an new elite
of indoctrinated and classist people that literally hates the plebs
and popular culture and wants an EU style dirigiste government
that dictates cultural norms as well as the law.
In essence where you used to get your morality from the Church, and
it was nothing to do with the Law, now you get it from left wing
pressure groups via the Guardian and the BBC and the push is to
encapsulate it in law.
Hate crime? since when has it been a crime to hate? Why is it never
the hate filled Left that get prosecuted for it? When Maggie died
the cool thing was to revel in hatred of a politician.
The BBC selects what it considers 'important' - wall to wall woke
social issues these days - and tells us what we *ought* to be
thinking about it.
Sadly GB news is selecting those same issues although it is at
least presenting them in a far more balanced way.
The real challenge is to select and promote other issues - let's
have a real critique on climate change or renewable energy,
perhaps
At least Nigel Farage started off by saying 'look, this is what is
happening with illegal immigration, why are we sweeping this under
the carpet?'
A story that no one else is featuring.
How about www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-57897601 ?
Post by The Natural Philosopher
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Not enough spittle, for Turnip, I suspect.
Excellent example of precisely the sort of cancel culture the Left is
always practising on anyone with a different view.

Their is a debate to be had as to whether we are responsible for people
who cant make a living in their own country (or can make a better one
here), or not.

Calling people names is not debate, its just left wing bully tactics
--
“when things get difficult you just have to lie”

― Jean Claud Jüncker
PeterP
2021-07-21 01:16:04 UTC
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On Wed, 21 Jul 2021 00:09:09 +0100
Post by The Natural Philosopher
Post by PeterP
On Tue, 20 Jul 2021 11:12:49 +0100
Post by charles
Post by The Natural Philosopher
Post by tim...
Post by Dave Plowman (News)
Post by JNugent
I want 1950s / early 1960s style neutrality in broadcast media.
You must be incredibly old if you took an interest in such things then.
I don't think that people (normal people) did take an interest in
it at the time, because it as seen as normal
perhaps people just hanker back to that normality
I think we should be careful.
Looking at today's generation's easy acceptance of green bullshit
as fact, I think back to my youth and realise that there was much
then that I didn't question either. My parents lived through The
War, as we understood it to be spelled...and were comfortable with
the fact that of course the BBC wasn't telling the whole truth,
but was part of the war effort churning out wartime propaganda.
What has changed is the complete takeover of the media from a
centre right position to a more or less Marxist position, although
it's couched as benevolent socialism.
This is the final nail in the coffin from what was a mildly
benevolent elite of educated and experienced people to an new
elite of indoctrinated and classist people that literally hates
the plebs and popular culture and wants an EU style dirigiste
government that dictates cultural norms as well as the law.
In essence where you used to get your morality from the Church,
and it was nothing to do with the Law, now you get it from left
wing pressure groups via the Guardian and the BBC and the push is
to encapsulate it in law.
Hate crime? since when has it been a crime to hate? Why is it
never the hate filled Left that get prosecuted for it? When
Maggie died the cool thing was to revel in hatred of a
politician.
The BBC selects what it considers 'important' - wall to wall woke
social issues these days - and tells us what we *ought* to be
thinking about it.
Sadly GB news is selecting those same issues although it is at
least presenting them in a far more balanced way.
The real challenge is to select and promote other issues - let's
have a real critique on climate change or renewable energy,
perhaps
At least Nigel Farage started off by saying 'look, this is what is
happening with illegal immigration, why are we sweeping this under
the carpet?'
A story that no one else is featuring.
How about www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-57897601 ?
Post by The Natural Philosopher
-
Not enough spittle, for Turnip, I suspect.
Excellent example of precisely the sort of cancel culture the Left is
always practising on anyone with a different view.
Their is a debate to be had as to whether we are responsible for
people who cant make a living in their own country (or can make a
better one here), or not.
Calling people names is not debate, its just left wing bully tactics
Excellent example of a spittle flecked loon. Right-wing bully tactics
at large in its own cunrty.
The Natural Philosopher
2021-07-21 05:58:48 UTC
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Post by PeterP
On Wed, 21 Jul 2021 00:09:09 +0100
Post by The Natural Philosopher
Post by PeterP
On Tue, 20 Jul 2021 11:12:49 +0100
Post by charles
Post by The Natural Philosopher
Post by tim...
Post by Dave Plowman (News)
Post by JNugent
I want 1950s / early 1960s style neutrality in broadcast media.
You must be incredibly old if you took an interest in such things then.
I don't think that people (normal people) did take an interest in
it at the time, because it as seen as normal
perhaps people just hanker back to that normality
I think we should be careful.
Looking at today's generation's easy acceptance of green bullshit
as fact, I think back to my youth and realise that there was much
then that I didn't question either. My parents lived through The
War, as we understood it to be spelled...and were comfortable with
the fact that of course the BBC wasn't telling the whole truth,
but was part of the war effort churning out wartime propaganda.
What has changed is the complete takeover of the media from a
centre right position to a more or less Marxist position, although
it's couched as benevolent socialism.
This is the final nail in the coffin from what was a mildly
benevolent elite of educated and experienced people to an new
elite of indoctrinated and classist people that literally hates
the plebs and popular culture and wants an EU style dirigiste
government that dictates cultural norms as well as the law.
In essence where you used to get your morality from the Church,
and it was nothing to do with the Law, now you get it from left
wing pressure groups via the Guardian and the BBC and the push is
to encapsulate it in law.
Hate crime? since when has it been a crime to hate? Why is it
never the hate filled Left that get prosecuted for it? When
Maggie died the cool thing was to revel in hatred of a
politician.
The BBC selects what it considers 'important' - wall to wall woke
social issues these days - and tells us what we *ought* to be
thinking about it.
Sadly GB news is selecting those same issues although it is at
least presenting them in a far more balanced way.
The real challenge is to select and promote other issues - let's
have a real critique on climate change or renewable energy,
perhaps
At least Nigel Farage started off by saying 'look, this is what is
happening with illegal immigration, why are we sweeping this under
the carpet?'
A story that no one else is featuring.
How about www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-57897601 ?
Post by The Natural Philosopher
-
Not enough spittle, for Turnip, I suspect.
Excellent example of precisely the sort of cancel culture the Left is
always practising on anyone with a different view.
Their is a debate to be had as to whether we are responsible for
people who cant make a living in their own country (or can make a
better one here), or not.
Calling people names is not debate, its just left wing bully tactics
Excellent example of a spittle flecked loon. Right-wing bully tactics
at large in its own cunrty.
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
I rest my case...
--
"I am inclined to tell the truth and dislike people who lie consistently.
This makes me unfit for the company of people of a Left persuasion, and
all women"
JNugent
2021-07-20 14:53:42 UTC
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Post by The Natural Philosopher
Post by tim...
Post by Dave Plowman (News)
Post by JNugent
I want 1950s / early 1960s style neutrality in broadcast media.
You must be incredibly old if you took an interest in such things then.
I don't think that people (normal people) did take an interest in it
at the time, because it as seen as normal
perhaps people just hanker back to that normality
I think we should be careful.
Looking at today's generation's easy acceptance of green bullshit as
fact, I think back to my youth and realise that there was much then that
I didn't question either. My parents lived through The War, as we
understood it to be spelled...and were comfortable with the fact that of
course the BBC wasn't telling the whole truth, but was part of the war
effort churning out wartime propaganda.
What has changed is the complete takeover of the media from a centre
right position to a more or less Marxist position, although it's couched
as benevolent socialism.
This is the final nail in the coffin from what was a mildly benevolent
elite of educated and experienced people to an new elite of
indoctrinated and classist people that literally hates the plebs and
popular culture and wants an EU style dirigiste  government that
dictates cultural norms as well as the law.
In essence where you used to get your morality from the Church, and it
was nothing to do with the Law, now you get it from left wing pressure
groups via the Guardian and the BBC and the push is to encapsulate it in
law.
Hate crime? since when has it been a crime to hate? Why is it never the
hate filled Left that get prosecuted for it?  When Maggie died the cool
thing was to revel in hatred of a politician.
The BBC selects what it considers 'important' - wall to wall woke social
issues these days - and tells us what we *ought* to be thinking about it.
Sadly GB news is selecting those same issues although it is at least
presenting them in a far more balanced way.
The real challenge is to select and promote other issues - let's have a
real critique on climate change or renewable energy, perhaps
At least Nigel Farage started off by saying 'look, this is what is
happening with illegal immigration, why are we sweeping this under the
carpet?'
A story that no one else is featuring.
Well said (all of it).
Fredxx
2021-07-20 15:06:01 UTC
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Post by The Natural Philosopher
Post by tim...
Post by Dave Plowman (News)
Post by JNugent
I want 1950s / early 1960s style neutrality in broadcast media.
You must be incredibly old if you took an interest in such things then.
I don't think that people (normal people) did take an interest in it
at the time, because it as seen as normal
perhaps people just hanker back to that normality
I think we should be careful.
Looking at today's generation's easy acceptance of green bullshit as
fact, I think back to my youth and realise that there was much then that
I didn't question either. My parents lived through The War, as we
understood it to be spelled...and were comfortable with the fact that of
course the BBC wasn't telling the whole truth, but was part of the war
effort churning out wartime propaganda.
What has changed is the complete takeover of the media from a centre
right position to a more or less Marxist position, although it's couched
as benevolent socialism.
This is the final nail in the coffin from what was a mildly benevolent
elite of educated and experienced people to an new elite of
indoctrinated and classist people that literally hates the plebs and
popular culture and wants an EU style dirigiste  government that
dictates cultural norms as well as the law.
In essence where you used to get your morality from the Church, and it
was nothing to do with the Law, now you get it from left wing pressure
groups via the Guardian and the BBC and the push is to encapsulate it in
law.
Hate crime? since when has it been a crime to hate? Why is it never the
hate filled Left that get prosecuted for it?  When Maggie died the cool
thing was to revel in hatred of a politician.
The BBC selects what it considers 'important' - wall to wall woke social
issues these days - and tells us what we *ought* to be thinking about it.
Sadly GB news is selecting those same issues although it is at least
presenting them in a far more balanced way.
The real challenge is to select and promote other issues - let's have a
real critique on climate change or renewable energy, perhaps
At least Nigel Farage started off by saying 'look, this is what is
happening with illegal immigration, why are we sweeping this under the
carpet?'
A story that no one else is featuring.
Quite, no on is addressing the instability and violence in countries
where many are fleeing from, and our hand in creating and perpetuating
this instability.
Rod Speed
2021-07-20 20:38:49 UTC
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Post by The Natural Philosopher
Post by tim...
Post by Dave Plowman (News)
Post by JNugent
I want 1950s / early 1960s style neutrality in broadcast media.
You must be incredibly old if you took an interest in such things then.
I don't think that people (normal people) did take an interest in it at
the time, because it as seen as normal
perhaps people just hanker back to that normality
I think we should be careful.
Looking at today's generation's easy acceptance of green bullshit as
fact, I think back to my youth and realise that there was much then that
I didn't question either. My parents lived through The War, as we
understood it to be spelled...and were comfortable with the fact that of
course the BBC wasn't telling the whole truth, but was part of the war
effort churning out wartime propaganda.
What has changed is the complete takeover of the media from a centre
right position to a more or less Marxist position, although it's couched
as benevolent socialism.
This is the final nail in the coffin from what was a mildly benevolent
elite of educated and experienced people to an new elite of indoctrinated
and classist people that literally hates the plebs and popular culture
and wants an EU style dirigiste government that dictates cultural norms
as well as the law.
In essence where you used to get your morality from the Church, and it
was nothing to do with the Law, now you get it from left wing pressure
groups via the Guardian and the BBC and the push is to encapsulate it in
law.
Hate crime? since when has it been a crime to hate? Why is it never the
hate filled Left that get prosecuted for it? When Maggie died the cool
thing was to revel in hatred of a politician.
The BBC selects what it considers 'important' - wall to wall woke social
issues these days - and tells us what we *ought* to be thinking about it.
Sadly GB news is selecting those same issues although it is at least
presenting them in a far more balanced way.
The real challenge is to select and promote other issues - let's have a
real critique on climate change or renewable energy, perhaps
At least Nigel Farage started off by saying 'look, this is what is
happening with illegal immigration, why are we sweeping this under the
carpet?'
A story that no one else is featuring.
Quite, no on is addressing the instability and violence in countries where
many are fleeing from,
Because it isn't possible to address that.
and our hand in creating and perpetuating this instability.
Bit late now with Israel and Syria etc and not
even possible with Afghanistan and Iraq.
Peeler
2021-07-20 21:10:59 UTC
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Speed, the auto-contradicting senile sociopath, blabbered, again:

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Fredxx
2021-07-20 21:32:46 UTC
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Post by Rod Speed
Post by Fredxx
Post by The Natural Philosopher
Post by tim...
Post by Dave Plowman (News)
Post by JNugent
I want 1950s / early 1960s style neutrality in broadcast media.
You must be incredibly old if you took an interest in such things then.
I don't think that people (normal people) did take an interest in it
at the time, because it as seen as normal
perhaps people just hanker back to that normality
I think we should be careful.
Looking at today's generation's easy acceptance of green bullshit as
fact, I think back to my youth and realise that there was much then
that I didn't question either. My parents lived through The War, as
we understood it to be spelled...and were comfortable with the fact
that of course the BBC wasn't telling the whole truth, but was part
of the war effort churning out wartime propaganda.
What has changed is the complete takeover of the media from a centre
right position to a more or less Marxist position, although it's
couched as benevolent socialism.
This is the final nail in the coffin from what was a mildly
benevolent elite of educated and experienced people to an new elite
of indoctrinated and classist people that literally hates the plebs
and popular culture and wants an EU style dirigiste  government that
dictates cultural norms as well as the law.
In essence where you used to get your morality from the Church, and
it was nothing to do with the Law, now you get it from left wing
pressure groups via the Guardian and the BBC and the push is to
encapsulate it in law.
Hate crime? since when has it been a crime to hate? Why is it never
the hate filled Left that get prosecuted for it?  When Maggie died
the cool thing was to revel in hatred of a politician.
The BBC selects what it considers 'important' - wall to wall woke
social issues these days - and tells us what we *ought* to be
thinking about it.
Sadly GB news is selecting those same issues although it is at least
presenting them in a far more balanced way.
The real challenge is to select and promote other issues - let's have
a real critique on climate change or renewable energy, perhaps
At least Nigel Farage started off by saying 'look, this is what is
happening with illegal immigration, why are we sweeping this under
the carpet?'
A story that no one else is featuring.
Quite, no on is addressing the instability and violence in countries
where many are fleeing from,
Because it isn't possible to address that.
We shouldn't have poured arms into countries like Libya and Syria. We
shouldn't have decimated Iraq and created ISIS.
Post by Rod Speed
Post by Fredxx
and our hand in creating and perpetuating this instability.
Bit late now with Israel and Syria etc and not
even possible with Afghanistan and Iraq.
It is too late. We should have left these countries alone in the first
place.
Rod Speed
2021-07-20 21:49:37 UTC
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Post by Fredxx
Post by Rod Speed
Post by Fredxx
Post by The Natural Philosopher
Post by tim...
Post by Dave Plowman (News)
Post by JNugent
I want 1950s / early 1960s style neutrality in broadcast media.
You must be incredibly old if you took an interest in such things then.
I don't think that people (normal people) did take an interest in it
at the time, because it as seen as normal
perhaps people just hanker back to that normality
I think we should be careful.
Looking at today's generation's easy acceptance of green bullshit as
fact, I think back to my youth and realise that there was much then
that I didn't question either. My parents lived through The War, as we
understood it to be spelled...and were comfortable with the fact that
of course the BBC wasn't telling the whole truth, but was part of the
war effort churning out wartime propaganda.
What has changed is the complete takeover of the media from a centre
right position to a more or less Marxist position, although it's
couched as benevolent socialism.
This is the final nail in the coffin from what was a mildly benevolent
elite of educated and experienced people to an new elite of
indoctrinated and classist people that literally hates the plebs and
popular culture and wants an EU style dirigiste government that
dictates cultural norms as well as the law.
In essence where you used to get your morality from the Church, and it
was nothing to do with the Law, now you get it from left wing pressure
groups via the Guardian and the BBC and the push is to encapsulate it
in law.
Hate crime? since when has it been a crime to hate? Why is it never the
hate filled Left that get prosecuted for it? When Maggie died the cool
thing was to revel in hatred of a politician.
The BBC selects what it considers 'important' - wall to wall woke
social issues these days - and tells us what we *ought* to be thinking
about it.
Sadly GB news is selecting those same issues although it is at least
presenting them in a far more balanced way.
The real challenge is to select and promote other issues - let's have a
real critique on climate change or renewable energy, perhaps
At least Nigel Farage started off by saying 'look, this is what is
happening with illegal immigration, why are we sweeping this under the
carpet?'
A story that no one else is featuring.
Quite, no on is addressing the instability and violence in countries
where many are fleeing from,
Because it isn't possible to address that.
We shouldn't have poured arms into countries like Libya and Syria.
We didn’t with either and they would have had the same
problem with instability and violence regardless anyway.
Post by Fredxx
We shouldn't have decimated Iraq
Iraq was never decimated.
Post by Fredxx
and created ISIS.
That would have happened regardless of Iraq.
Post by Fredxx
Post by Rod Speed
Post by Fredxx
and our hand in creating and perpetuating this instability.
Bit late now with Israel and Syria etc and not
even possible with Afghanistan and Iraq.
It is too late. We should have left these countries alone in the first
place.
There would still have been instability and violence there.

There always was everywhere. Some like western
europe did eventually come to their senses and
those other places may do eventually too.
Peeler
2021-07-20 21:57:19 UTC
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Speed, the auto-contradicting senile sociopath, blabbered, again:

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Fredxx
2021-07-20 22:24:19 UTC
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Post by Fredxx
Post by Rod Speed
Post by Fredxx
Post by The Natural Philosopher
Post by tim...
Post by Dave Plowman (News)
Post by JNugent
I want 1950s / early 1960s style neutrality in broadcast media.
You must be incredibly old if you took an interest in such things then.
I don't think that people (normal people) did take an interest in
it at the time, because it as seen as normal
perhaps people just hanker back to that normality
I think we should be careful.
Looking at today's generation's easy acceptance of green bullshit
as fact, I think back to my youth and realise that there was much
then that I didn't question either. My parents lived through The
War, as we understood it to be spelled...and were comfortable with
the fact that of course the BBC wasn't telling the whole truth, but
was part of the war effort churning out wartime propaganda.
What has changed is the complete takeover of the media from a
centre right position to a more or less Marxist position, although
it's couched as benevolent socialism.
This is the final nail in the coffin from what was a mildly
benevolent elite of educated and experienced people to an new elite
of indoctrinated and classist people that literally hates the plebs
and popular culture and wants an EU style dirigiste  government
that dictates cultural norms as well as the law.
In essence where you used to get your morality from the Church, and
it was nothing to do with the Law, now you get it from left wing
pressure groups via the Guardian and the BBC and the push is to
encapsulate it in law.
Hate crime? since when has it been a crime to hate? Why is it never
the hate filled Left that get prosecuted for it?  When Maggie died
the cool thing was to revel in hatred of a politician.
The BBC selects what it considers 'important' - wall to wall woke
social issues these days - and tells us what we *ought* to be
thinking about it.
Sadly GB news is selecting those same issues although it is at
least presenting them in a far more balanced way.
The real challenge is to select and promote other issues - let's
have a real critique on climate change or renewable energy, perhaps
At least Nigel Farage started off by saying 'look, this is what is
happening with illegal immigration, why are we sweeping this under
the carpet?'
A story that no one else is featuring.
Quite, no on is addressing the instability and violence in countries
where many are fleeing from,
Because it isn't possible to address that.
We shouldn't have poured arms into countries like Libya and Syria.
We didn’t with either and they would have had the same
problem with instability and violence regardless anyway.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-13955751

We also gave various 'defence' equipment. Be in denial as much as you like.
Post by Rod Speed
Post by Fredxx
We shouldn't have decimated Iraq
Iraq was never decimated.
Post by Fredxx
and created ISIS.
That would have happened regardless of Iraq.
Much of ISIS was formed from those banned in participating in Iraqi
politics. It was formed directly as a consequence of the Allied invasion
of Iraq.
Post by Rod Speed
Post by Fredxx
Post by Rod Speed
Post by Fredxx
and our hand in creating and perpetuating this instability.
Bit late now with Israel and Syria etc and not
even possible with Afghanistan and Iraq.
It is too late. We should have left these countries alone in the first
place.
There would still have been instability and violence there.
Considerably less. Iraq was stable and kept Iran in its place.
Post by Rod Speed
There always was everywhere. Some like western
europe did eventually come to their senses and
those other places may do eventually too.
Rod Speed
2021-07-20 23:12:40 UTC
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Post by Fredxx
Post by Rod Speed
Post by Fredxx
Post by Rod Speed
Post by Fredxx
Post by The Natural Philosopher
Post by tim...
Post by Dave Plowman (News)
Post by JNugent
I want 1950s / early 1960s style neutrality in broadcast media.
You must be incredibly old if you took an interest in such things then.
I don't think that people (normal people) did take an interest in it
at the time, because it as seen as normal
perhaps people just hanker back to that normality
I think we should be careful.
Looking at today's generation's easy acceptance of green bullshit as
fact, I think back to my youth and realise that there was much then
that I didn't question either. My parents lived through The War, as
we understood it to be spelled...and were comfortable with the fact
that of course the BBC wasn't telling the whole truth, but was part
of the war effort churning out wartime propaganda.
What has changed is the complete takeover of the media from a centre
right position to a more or less Marxist position, although it's
couched as benevolent socialism.
This is the final nail in the coffin from what was a mildly
benevolent elite of educated and experienced people to an new elite
of indoctrinated and classist people that literally hates the plebs
and popular culture and wants an EU style dirigiste government that
dictates cultural norms as well as the law.
In essence where you used to get your morality from the Church, and
it was nothing to do with the Law, now you get it from left wing
pressure groups via the Guardian and the BBC and the push is to
encapsulate it in law.
Hate crime? since when has it been a crime to hate? Why is it never
the hate filled Left that get prosecuted for it? When Maggie died
the cool thing was to revel in hatred of a politician.
The BBC selects what it considers 'important' - wall to wall woke
social issues these days - and tells us what we *ought* to be
thinking about it.
Sadly GB news is selecting those same issues although it is at least
presenting them in a far more balanced way.
The real challenge is to select and promote other issues - let's have
a real critique on climate change or renewable energy, perhaps
At least Nigel Farage started off by saying 'look, this is what is
happening with illegal immigration, why are we sweeping this under
the carpet?'
A story that no one else is featuring.
Quite, no on is addressing the instability and violence in countries
where many are fleeing from,
Because it isn't possible to address that.
We shouldn't have poured arms into countries like Libya and Syria.
We didn’t with either and they would have had the same
problem with instability and violence regardless anyway.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-13955751
That was after the instability and violence had started well before that.

It wasn’t what produced the instability and violence.
Post by Fredxx
We also gave various 'defence' equipment.
Ditto.
Post by Fredxx
Be in denial as much as you like.
There is no denial, yours is mindless rewriting of history.
Post by Fredxx
Post by Rod Speed
Post by Fredxx
We shouldn't have decimated Iraq
Iraq was never decimated.
Post by Fredxx
and created ISIS.
That would have happened regardless of Iraq.
Much of ISIS was formed from those banned in participating in Iraqi
politics.
BULLSHIT. And the only one doing any banning
of participating in Iraqi politics was Saddam.
Post by Fredxx
It was formed directly as a consequence of the Allied invasion of Iraq.
More pig ignorant bullshit.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_ISIL
Post by Fredxx
Post by Rod Speed
Post by Fredxx
Post by Rod Speed
Post by Fredxx
and our hand in creating and perpetuating this instability.
Bit late now with Israel and Syria etc and not
even possible with Afghanistan and Iraq.
It is too late. We should have left these countries alone in the first
place.
There would still have been instability and violence there.
Considerably less. Iraq was stable and kept Iran in its place.
That last is more pig ignorant bullshit.

And clearly wasn’t true of Afghanistan or Syria or Libya.
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Post by Rod Speed
There always was everywhere. Some like western
europe did eventually come to their senses and
those other places may do eventually too.
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I want 1950s / early 1960s style neutrality in broadcast media.
You must be incredibly old if you took an interest in such things then.
I don't think that people (normal people) did take an interest in it at
the time, because it as seen as normal
Err, on the basis of what your parents said?
Post by tim...
perhaps people just hanker back to that normality
Rose tinted specs more like. And from the days when our politicians
weren't such blatant liars. And had - at least in their public face -
half decent morals.
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Andrew
2021-07-18 16:27:13 UTC
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Post by Pancho
Post by Dave Plowman (News)
Seems those on here who hyped it up and expected it to be a great success
were wrong once more. Audience has halved since the opening. Sometimes so
small it can't be measured.
I suspect their timing is wrong, their medium is wrong.
People no longer look to broadcast TV, we have the internet now. If
people want to see right wing opinion, there are many other places on
the web that they can find it.
That is because broadcast TV in the UK is legally obliged to provide
accurate and impartial presentation of the news, while no such rules
apply to social media and other online services.
Someone ought to tell ITN and Channel Four News about that legal
obligation. They cannot have heard of it.
If you believe any UK broadcaster has breached the broadcasting code in
any way, you should complain to Ofcom, who will investigate. They do
receive many complaints about bias, but usually from people who think
their views should receive more prominence than an impartial
presentation would allow.
But the right wing view should be the only one allowed? Given we have a
right wing government? And the government owns the BBC so they should be
its mouthpiece?
The Government does NOT own the BBC. It's a public Corporation.
ROFL. With a (too) cosy relationship with the Guardian and the BBC
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2021-07-18 14:21:44 UTC
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No-one in their right minds could claim Channel Four News to be
unbiased. The main presenters, Snow and Newman, don't even try to hide
their left wing beliefs, in or out of the studio.
Is C4 the only channel you can receive? If so, see Bill on here.
"Unbiased" means like the BBC and ITN news *used* to be, through until
about the mid-1960s.
In the mid 60s, government wasn't held to task in the same way as today.
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JNugent
2021-07-18 14:53:21 UTC
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No-one in their right minds could claim Channel Four News to be
unbiased. The main presenters, Snow and Newman, don't even try to hide
their left wing beliefs, in or out of the studio.
Is C4 the only channel you can receive? If so, see Bill on here.
What an odd question.
Post by Dave Plowman (News)
"Unbiased" means like the BBC and ITN news *used* to be, through until
about the mid-1960s.
In the mid 60s, government wasn't held to task in the same way as today.
That's the job of the official opposition.

Not that of Jon Snow or Whatsername Newman.
Dave Plowman (News)
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Post by Dave Plowman (News)
No-one in their right minds could claim Channel Four News to be
unbiased. The main presenters, Snow and Newman, don't even try to hide
their left wing beliefs, in or out of the studio.
Is C4 the only channel you can receive? If so, see Bill on here.
What an odd question.
Given we have 5 main channels all with news services, why single out that
one? It is the Mary Whitehouse effect? Set out to find something you can
complain about?
Post by JNugent
Post by Dave Plowman (News)
"Unbiased" means like the BBC and ITN news *used* to be, through until
about the mid-1960s.
In the mid 60s, government wasn't held to task in the same way as today.
That's the job of the official opposition.
Not that of Jon Snow or Whatsername Newman.
I do realise you don't want to hear any criticism of your government on TV
etc - and I'm sure BoJo shares your views.

Hence the wonderful new anti-woke GB News, set up for the likes of you.
That apparently no-one watches.
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tim...
2021-07-20 08:02:33 UTC
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No-one in their right minds could claim Channel Four News to be
unbiased. The main presenters, Snow and Newman, don't even try to hide
their left wing beliefs, in or out of the studio.
Is C4 the only channel you can receive? If so, see Bill on here.
What an odd question.
Given we have 5 main channels all with news services, why single out that
one? It is the Mary Whitehouse effect? Set out to find something you can
complain about?
Post by JNugent
Post by Dave Plowman (News)
"Unbiased" means like the BBC and ITN news *used* to be, through until
about the mid-1960s.
In the mid 60s, government wasn't held to task in the same way as today.
That's the job of the official opposition.
Not that of Jon Snow or Whatsername Newman.
I do realise you don't want to hear any criticism of your government on TV
etc - and I'm sure BoJo shares your views.
Hence the wonderful new anti-woke GB News, set up for the likes of you.
That apparently no-one watches.
Though, whatever the merits of GBN, I'm inclined to think that using ratings
that show that few people were watching at XX hour being extrapolate to
no-one watches the channel at all, is pretty disingenuous.

what the ratings show is that that presenter in unpopular, not that no-one
watches that channel

Other channels have programs during the day which rate poorly, yet no-one
extrapolates that to: no-one watches the whole channel
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2021-07-20 08:07:22 UTC
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I'm inclined to think that using ratings that show that few people were
watching at XX hour being extrapolate to no-one watches the channel at
all, is pretty disingenuous.
There was a claim that viewers had switched off in disgust at one of the
presenters 'taking the knee' ...
Dave Plowman (News)
2021-07-20 13:16:34 UTC
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I'm inclined to think that using ratings that show that few people
were watching at XX hour being extrapolate to no-one watches the
channel at all, is pretty disingenuous.
There was a claim that viewers had switched off in disgust at one of the
presenters 'taking the knee' ...
It was certainly reported thus. Says a great deal about their viewers. And
target audience, since that presenter has now left.
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bert
2021-07-20 15:00:38 UTC
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In article <sd5vuq$24j$***@dont-email.me>, tim... <***@gmail.com>
writes
Post by tim...
Post by Dave Plowman (News)
Post by JNugent
Post by Dave Plowman (News)
No-one in their right minds could claim Channel Four News to be
unbiased. The main presenters, Snow and Newman, don't even try to hide
their left wing beliefs, in or out of the studio.
Is C4 the only channel you can receive? If so, see Bill on here.
What an odd question.
Given we have 5 main channels all with news services, why single out that
one? It is the Mary Whitehouse effect? Set out to find something you can
complain about?
Post by JNugent
Post by Dave Plowman (News)
"Unbiased" means like the BBC and ITN news *used* to be, through until
about the mid-1960s.
In the mid 60s, government wasn't held to task in the same way as today.
That's the job of the official opposition.
Not that of Jon Snow or Whatsername Newman.
I do realise you don't want to hear any criticism of your government on TV
etc - and I'm sure BoJo shares your views.
Hence the wonderful new anti-woke GB News, set up for the likes of you.
That apparently no-one watches.
Though, whatever the merits of GBN, I'm inclined to think that using
ratings that show that few people were watching at XX hour being
extrapolate to no-one watches the channel at all, is pretty disingenuous.
what the ratings show is that that presenter in unpopular, not that
no-one watches that channel
Other channels have programs during the day which rate poorly, yet
no-one extrapolates that to: no-one watches the whole channel
Isn't it the Gaelic channel in Scotland which has zero viewers.
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bert
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Post by tim...
Post by Dave Plowman (News)
Post by JNugent
Post by Dave Plowman (News)
No-one in their right minds could claim Channel Four News to be
unbiased. The main presenters, Snow and Newman, don't even try to
hide
Post by Dave Plowman (News)
their left wing beliefs, in or out of the studio.
Is C4 the only channel you can receive? If so, see Bill on here.
What an odd question.
Given we have 5 main channels all with news services, why single out that
one? It is the Mary Whitehouse effect? Set out to find something you can
complain about?
Post by JNugent
Post by Dave Plowman (News)
"Unbiased" means like the BBC and ITN news *used* to be, through
until
Post by Dave Plowman (News)
about the mid-1960s.
In the mid 60s, government wasn't held to task in the same way as today.
That's the job of the official opposition.
Not  that of Jon Snow or Whatsername Newman.
I do realise you don't want to hear any criticism of your government on TV
etc - and I'm sure BoJo shares your views.
Hence the wonderful new anti-woke GB News, set up for the likes of you.
That apparently no-one watches.
Though, whatever the merits of GBN, I'm inclined to think that using
ratings that show that few people were watching at XX hour being
extrapolate to no-one watches the channel at all, is pretty disingenuous.
what the ratings show is that that presenter in unpopular, not that
no-one watches that channel
Other channels have programs during the day which rate poorly, yet
no-one extrapolates that to: no-one watches the whole channel
Isn't it the Gaelic channel in Scotland which has zero viewers.
BBC Alba?
nightjar
2021-07-18 16:20:21 UTC
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Post by Pancho
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Seems those on here who hyped it up and expected it to be a great success
were wrong once more. Audience has halved since the opening. Sometimes so
small it can't be measured.
I suspect their timing is wrong, their medium is wrong.
People no longer look to broadcast TV, we have the internet now. If
people want to see right wing opinion, there are many other places
on the web that they can find it.
That is because broadcast TV in the UK is legally obliged to provide
accurate and impartial presentation of the news, while no such rules
apply to social media and other online services.
Someone ought to tell ITN and Channel Four News about that legal
obligation. They cannot have heard of it.
If you believe any UK broadcaster has breached the broadcasting code
in any way, you should complain to Ofcom, who will investigate. They
do receive many complaints about bias, but usually from people who
think their views should receive more prominence than an impartial
presentation would allow.
No-one in their right minds could claim Channel Four News to be
unbiased. The main presenters, Snow and Newman, don't even try to hide
their left wing beliefs, in or out of the studio.
"Unbiased" means like the BBC and ITN news *used* to be, through until
about the mid-1960s.
The requirement is to be impartial, which is not necessarily the same as
unbiased. What the broadcaster has to show is that, if they offer one
partisan view, they have balanced that with a similar opportunity for an
opposing view to be expressed. As I said, if you think they are failing
to do that, complain to Ofcom. That would be far more effective than
complaining here.
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JNugent
2021-07-18 17:09:10 UTC
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Post by Dave Plowman (News)
Seems those on here who hyped it up and expected it to be a great success
were wrong once more. Audience has halved since the opening. Sometimes so
small it can't be measured.
I suspect their timing is wrong, their medium is wrong.
People no longer look to broadcast TV, we have the internet now.
If people want to see right wing opinion, there are many other
places on the web that they can find it.
That is because broadcast TV in the UK is legally obliged to
provide accurate and impartial presentation of the news, while no
such rules apply to social media and other online services.
Someone ought to tell ITN and Channel Four News about that legal
obligation. They cannot have heard of it.
If you believe any UK broadcaster has breached the broadcasting code
in any way, you should complain to Ofcom, who will investigate. They
do receive many complaints about bias, but usually from people who
think their views should receive more prominence than an impartial
presentation would allow.
No-one in their right minds could claim Channel Four News to be
unbiased. The main presenters, Snow and Newman, don't even try to hide
their left wing beliefs, in or out of the studio.
"Unbiased" means like the BBC and ITN news *used* to be, through until
about the mid-1960s.
The requirement is to be impartial, which is not necessarily the same as
unbiased. What the broadcaster has to show is that, if they offer one
partisan view, they have balanced that with a similar opportunity for an
opposing view to be expressed. As I said, if you think they are failing
to do that, complain to Ofcom. That would be far more effective than
complaining here.
Whether they wish to admit it or not (that's a completely separate
question), there can't be an adult in the UK with an IQ of more than 100
who doesn't know full well, that ITN Channel Four News is hopelessly
biased to the left.

But the government are hopefully doing something about it.
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2021-07-19 09:42:16 UTC
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Post by JNugent
Whether they wish to admit it or not (that's a completely separate
question), there can't be an adult in the UK with an IQ of more than 100
who doesn't know full well, that ITN Channel Four News is hopelessly
biased to the left.
That presumes they watch it, which I don't. It also assumes that they
care which, again, I don't.
Post by JNugent
But the government are hopefully doing something about it.
That is not in the government's remit, but is in that of Ofcom, who will
investigate if they receive a complaint.
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JNugent
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Post by JNugent
Whether they wish to admit it or not (that's a completely separate
question), there can't be an adult in the UK with an IQ of more than
100 who doesn't know full well, that ITN Channel Four News is
hopelessly biased to the left.
That presumes they watch it, which I don't. It also assumes that they
care which, again, I don't.
Post by JNugent
But the government are hopefully doing something about it.
That is not in the government's remit, but is in that of Ofcom, who will
investigate if they receive a complaint.
You haven't been following the news about Channel 4?
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2021-07-19 15:45:38 UTC
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Post by JNugent
Whether they wish to admit it or not (that's a completely separate
question), there can't be an adult in the UK with an IQ of more than
100 who doesn't know full well, that ITN Channel Four News is
hopelessly biased to the left.
That presumes they watch it, which I don't. It also assumes that they
care which, again, I don't.
Post by JNugent
But the government are hopefully doing something about it.
That is not in the government's remit, but is in that of Ofcom, who
will investigate if they receive a complaint.
You haven't been following the news about Channel 4?
First I've heard that there *is* any news about Channel 4.
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tim...
2021-07-20 07:56:50 UTC
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Post by JNugent
Whether they wish to admit it or not (that's a completely separate
question), there can't be an adult in the UK with an IQ of more than
100 who doesn't know full well, that ITN Channel Four News is
hopelessly biased to the left.
That presumes they watch it, which I don't. It also assumes that they
care which, again, I don't.
Post by JNugent
But the government are hopefully doing something about it.
That is not in the government's remit, but is in that of Ofcom, who will
investigate if they receive a complaint.
You haven't been following the news about Channel 4?
First I've heard that there *is* any news about Channel 4.
Given that the possibility of HMG selling off C4 has been headline news for
the past several months, I think admitting that you haven't seen any news
about this is pretty telling

If you want to engage in discussions on current affairs you really do need
to keep up to date.
nightjar
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Post by JNugent
Whether they wish to admit it or not (that's a completely separate
question), there can't be an adult in the UK with an IQ of more
than 100 who doesn't know full well, that ITN Channel Four News is
hopelessly biased to the left.
That presumes they watch it, which I don't. It also assumes that
they care which, again, I don't.
Post by JNugent
But the government are hopefully doing something about it.
That is not in the government's remit, but is in that of Ofcom, who
will investigate if they receive a complaint.
You haven't been following the news about Channel 4?
First I've heard that there *is* any news about Channel 4.
Given that the possibility of HMG selling off C4 has been headline news
for the past several months, I think admitting that you haven't seen any
news about this is pretty telling
You have a serious case of hyperbole. The floods in Europe, the ever
growing number of Covid-19 cases in the UK, Boris' latest stupid act,
Cummings' claims about previous stupid acts, the moon wobbling on its
axis and (probably) some minor celebrity doing something forgettable -
those are headline news items. A Government consultation paper on the
future of Channel 4 made the Arts and Entertainment section a couple of
weeks ago, when it was launched. As that is not a section that I read
avidly, it passed me by. Ben and Jerry's decision not to renew the
licence to sell their ice cream in Palestine got better coverage.

Not that I would have thought it relevant to the thread, even if I did
read about it. Whoever owns C4 will still have to abide by the
conditions of its broadcasting licence and keep to the Broadcasting Code.
Post by tim...
If you want to engage in discussions on current affairs you really do
need to keep up to date.
I wasn't commenting on current affairs. I was describing the remedy
available to anybody who believes that a UK broadcaster is showing bias.
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Post by JNugent
Whether they wish to admit it or not (that's a completely separate
question), there can't be an adult in the UK with an IQ of more
than 100 who doesn't know full well, that ITN Channel Four News is
hopelessly biased to the left.
That presumes they watch it, which I don't. It also assumes that
they care which, again, I don't.
Post by JNugent
But the government are hopefully doing something about it.
That is not in the government's remit, but is in that of Ofcom, who
will investigate if they receive a complaint.
You haven't been following the news about Channel 4?
First I've heard that there *is* any news about Channel 4.
Given that the possibility of HMG selling off C4 has been headline
news for the past several months, I think admitting that you haven't
seen any news about this is pretty telling
You have a serious case of hyperbole. The floods in Europe, the ever
growing number of Covid-19 cases in the UK, Boris' latest stupid act,
Cummings' claims about previous stupid acts, the moon wobbling on its
axis and (probably) some minor celebrity doing something forgettable -
those are headline news items. A Government consultation paper on the
future of Channel 4 made the Arts and Entertainment section a couple of
weeks ago, when it was launched. As that is not a section that I read
avidly, it passed me by. Ben and Jerry's decision not to renew the
licence to sell their ice cream in Palestine got better coverage.
Not that I would have thought it relevant to the thread, even if I did
read about it. Whoever owns C4 will still have to abide by the
conditions of its broadcasting licence and keep to the Broadcasting Code.
But it is hard to imagine their broadcasting licence obliging them to
continue to allow their news programmes to effectively be the Guardian
Opinion page brought to life.

Isn't it?
Post by nightjar
Post by tim...
If you want to engage in discussions on current affairs you really do
need to keep up to date.
I wasn't commenting on current affairs. I was describing the remedy
available to anybody who believes that a UK broadcaster is showing bias.
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Post by JNugent
Whether they wish to admit it or not (that's a completely separate
question), there can't be an adult in the UK with an IQ of more than
100 who doesn't know full well, that ITN Channel Four News is
hopelessly biased to the left.
That presumes they watch it, which I don't. It also assumes that they
care which, again, I don't.
Post by JNugent
But the government are hopefully doing something about it.
That is not in the government's remit, but is in that of Ofcom, who
will investigate if they receive a complaint.
You haven't been following the news about Channel 4?
First I've heard that there *is* any news about Channel 4.
I do wonder about some on here. Obviously watch every single news and
current affairs broadcast on every channel regularly to be able to form a
reasonable opinion of them. Make you wonder where they find the time to
post here.
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JNugent
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Whether they wish to admit it or not (that's a completely separate
question), there can't be an adult in the UK with an IQ of more than
100 who doesn't know full well, that ITN Channel Four News is
hopelessly biased to the left.
That presumes they watch it, which I don't. It also assumes that they
care which, again, I don't.
Post by JNugent
But the government are hopefully doing something about it.
That is not in the government's remit, but is in that of Ofcom, who
will investigate if they receive a complaint.
You haven't been following the news about Channel 4?
First I've heard that there *is* any news about Channel 4.
I do wonder about some on here. Obviously watch every single news and
current affairs broadcast on every channel regularly to be able to form a
reasonable opinion of them. Make you wonder where they find the time to
post here.
You haven't encountered (read / heard /seen) the news about Channel Four
either, then.
JNugent
2021-07-20 14:51:51 UTC
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Whether they wish to admit it or not (that's a completely separate
question), there can't be an adult in the UK with an IQ of more than
100 who doesn't know full well, that ITN Channel Four News is
hopelessly biased to the left.
That presumes they watch it, which I don't. It also assumes that they
care which, again, I don't.
Post by JNugent
But the government are hopefully doing something about it.
That is not in the government's remit, but is in that of Ofcom, who
will investigate if they receive a complaint.
You haven't been following the news about Channel 4?
First I've heard that there *is* any news about Channel 4.
Fair enough.

It was all over the liberal-left meeja a couple of weeks ago.
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The requirement is to be impartial, which is not necessarily the same as
unbiased. What the broadcaster has to show is that, if they offer one
partisan view, they have balanced that with a similar opportunity for an
opposing view to be expressed. As I said, if you think they are failing
to do that, complain to Ofcom. That would be far more effective than
complaining here.
Quite. Of course when the 'spokesman' for Mr Nugent's views gets shot down
in flames by the 'spokesman' for the opposite view, it is down to meja
bias. After all, they shouldn't be asking awkward questions of an elected
government.
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bert
2021-07-20 15:02:53 UTC
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Post by nightjar
The requirement is to be impartial, which is not necessarily the same as
unbiased. What the broadcaster has to show is that, if they offer one
partisan view, they have balanced that with a similar opportunity for an
opposing view to be expressed. As I said, if you think they are failing
to do that, complain to Ofcom. That would be far more effective than
complaining here.
Quite. Of course when the 'spokesman' for Mr Nugent's views gets shot down
in flames by the 'spokesman' for the opposite view, it is down to meja
bias. After all, they shouldn't be asking awkward questions of an elected
government.
I don't mind them asking awkward questions of an elected government,
what pisses me off is that they rarely let them answer them.
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JNugent
2021-07-20 15:26:51 UTC
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Post by nightjar
The requirement is to be impartial, which is not necessarily the same as
unbiased. What the broadcaster has to show is that, if they offer one
partisan view, they have balanced that with a similar opportunity for an
opposing view to be expressed. As I said, if you think they are failing
to do that, complain to Ofcom. That would be far more effective than
complaining here.
Quite. Of course when the 'spokesman' for Mr Nugent's views gets shot down
in flames by the 'spokesman' for the opposite view, it is down to meja
bias. After all, they shouldn't be asking awkward questions of an elected
government.
I don't mind them asking awkward questions of an elected government,
what pisses me off is that they rarely let them answer them.
Good point.
Jethro_uk
2021-07-16 18:31:54 UTC
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Seems those on here who hyped it up and expected it to be a great
success were wrong once more. Audience has halved since the opening.
Sometimes so small it can't be measured.
It was pretty much doomed when people called it GBeeBies. The final nail
in the coffin may have been "Wetherspoons TV".
Brian Gaff (Sofa)
2021-07-17 07:42:34 UTC
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Yes well we all remember the TVAM and similar launches which had high
ideals, but nobody really wanted the truth or some other version of it. I
hear through the grapevine that the golden age of TV has passed, since many
programmes are on subscription, it seems to have occurred to many that if
they wait long enough they get to see them for free.
Also there are major buffering issues on internet delivered services
recently even Netflix, so something will need to be done if they want to
stay credible. I have to say that GB News seems to have no real image that
you can say, they do this or report like that, its a bit bland most of the
time. Incidentally how is Times Radio going on?
Brian
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Post by Dave Plowman (News)
Seems those on here who hyped it up and expected it to be a great success
were wrong once more. Audience has halved since the opening. Sometimes so
small it can't be measured.
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Anonymous
2021-07-17 14:32:47 UTC
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On Sat, 17 Jul 2021 08:42:34 +0100, "Brian Gaff \(Sofa\)"
Post by Brian Gaff (Sofa)
Yes well we all remember the TVAM and similar launches which had high
ideals, but nobody really wanted the truth or some other version of
it. I
Post by Brian Gaff (Sofa)
hear through the grapevine that the golden age of TV has passed, since
many
Post by Brian Gaff (Sofa)
programmes are on subscription, it seems to have occurred to many that
if
Post by Brian Gaff (Sofa)
they wait long enough they get to see them for free.
Also there are major buffering issues on internet delivered services
recently even Netflix, so something will need to be done if they want
to
Post by Brian Gaff (Sofa)
stay credible. I have to say that GB News seems to have no real image
that
Post by Brian Gaff (Sofa)
you can say, they do this or report like that, its a bit bland most of
the
Post by Brian Gaff (Sofa)
time. Incidentally how is Times Radio going on?
Brian
Nothing British about that false flagging hasbara. Same goes for the
"b"BC. 99.999% non Western / Christian
whose central source is the philby / rothermere daily mail. more
epstein / shipman centric terrorist dis-information.
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