Teletype or Facit 4070

Post by Andrew Mawson
Anyone know of a Teletype or a Facit 4070 paper tape punch gathering
dust and needing re-homing?
Yes I need to punch some paper tape !!
AWEM

Blimey - that takes me back a few decades! Must have been in the 1970's
that I last used punched paper tape. We had a manual punch for computer
cards, but I don't remember ever seeing one for paper tape - the tapes
were invariably punched by the computer.

In those days, if the tape contained ASCII data, I could hold it up to
the light and tell you what it said.

What are you using it for?

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2012-02-13 15:20:46 UTC

Post by Roger Mills

Post by Andrew Mawson
Anyone know of a Teletype or a Facit 4070 paper tape punch gathering
dust and needing re-homing?
Yes I need to punch some paper tape !!
AWEM

Blimey - that takes me back a few decades! Must have been in the 1970's
that I last used punched paper tape. We had a manual punch for computer
cards, but I don't remember ever seeing one for paper tape - the tapes were
invariably punched by the computer.
In those days, if the tape contained ASCII data, I could hold it up to the
light and tell you what it said.
What are you using it for?

Well I'm not unless I can find one !!!!!

Backing up parameters in a Fanuc 6M control used in a 1985 Fanuc Tape Cut
Model M wire EDM machine that happens to be sitting in my garage and being
polished!! Parameters are held in Bubble Memory (remember that?) which I
need to remove.

AWEM

Brian Gaff

2012-02-13 16:54:56 UTC

Has nobody ever designed an interface to more recent gear, after all the
data might have had to be taken out at some point. I find it hard to believe
nobody else has tried this.
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Post by Roger Mills

Post by Andrew Mawson
Anyone know of a Teletype or a Facit 4070 paper tape punch gathering
dust and needing re-homing?
Yes I need to punch some paper tape !!
AWEM

Blimey - that takes me back a few decades! Must have been in the 1970's
that I last used punched paper tape. We had a manual punch for computer
cards, but I don't remember ever seeing one for paper tape - the tapes
were invariably punched by the computer.
In those days, if the tape contained ASCII data, I could hold it up to the
light and tell you what it said.
What are you using it for?

Well I'm not unless I can find one !!!!!
Backing up parameters in a Fanuc 6M control used in a 1985 Fanuc Tape Cut
Model M wire EDM machine that happens to be sitting in my garage and being
polished!! Parameters are held in Bubble Memory (remember that?) which I
need to remove.
AWEM

Jules Richardson

2012-02-13 21:54:39 UTC

Post by Roger Mills
What are you using it for?

Well I'm not unless I can find one !!!!!
Backing up parameters in a Fanuc 6M control used in a 1985 Fanuc Tape
Cut Model M wire EDM machine that happens to be sitting in my garage and
being polished!! Parameters are held in Bubble Memory (remember that?)
which I need to remove.

Where are you located?

Spitting the data out via serial to a more modern PC might be the best
approach - while I don't think that finding an establishment which has
the kit is going to be a problem, finding anyone who'll let you borrow it
is another matter entirely (and I assume that your machine is too big/
heavy to move?)

There were plenty of ASR33s at Bletchley (the NMoC side, not the park as
a whole) when I worked there, and I remember Facit punches too, but not
which models.

I remember bubble memory - there never was much of it about; very
uncommon stuff!

cheers

Jules

Post by Andrew Mawson
AWEM

dennis@home

2012-02-13 22:33:32 UTC

Post by Jules Richardson
I remember bubble memory - there never was much of it about; very
uncommon stuff!

I remember bubble memory.. it was ***@p.
The bubbles used to wander off the chevrons and even duplicate themselves.
Then there were sense amps where the charge built up in the substrate
causing them to fail out in the field only to work perfectly when you got
them back to test.
I got rid of them and replaced them with cards of extended refresh DRAM and
batteries.
It made System X five times faster.

The only thing good about it was the ability to erase it by putting current
through the erase coil.

Andrew Mawson

2012-02-13 22:42:03 UTC

Post by Roger Mills
What are you using it for?

Well I'm not unless I can find one !!!!!
Backing up parameters in a Fanuc 6M control used in a 1985 Fanuc Tape
Cut Model M wire EDM machine that happens to be sitting in my garage and
being polished!! Parameters are held in Bubble Memory (remember that?)
which I need to remove.

Where are you located?
Spitting the data out via serial to a more modern PC might be the best
approach - while I don't think that finding an establishment which has
the kit is going to be a problem, finding anyone who'll let you borrow it
is another matter entirely (and I assume that your machine is too big/
heavy to move?)
There were plenty of ASR33s at Bletchley (the NMoC side, not the park as
a whole) when I worked there, and I remember Facit punches too, but not
which models.
I remember bubble memory - there never was much of it about; very
uncommon stuff!
cheers
Jules

Sadly the RS232 is not an option due to oddities in the Fanuc 6 firmware the
relevant way is only the tape reader / punch which are a proprietary non
standard parallel implementation

AWEM

dennis@home

2012-02-13 22:49:03 UTC

Post by Andrew Mawson
Sadly the RS232 is not an option due to oddities in the Fanuc 6 firmware
the relevant way is only the tape reader / punch which are a proprietary
non standard parallel implementation

Can you feed the outputs into an I/O board on a PC and pretend to be a paper
tape?

The Natural Philosopher

2012-02-13 22:51:57 UTC

Post by ***@home

Post by Andrew Mawson
Sadly the RS232 is not an option due to oddities in the Fanuc 6
firmware the relevant way is only the tape reader / punch which are a
proprietary non standard parallel implementation

Can you feed the outputs into an I/O board on a PC and pretend to be a
paper tape?

Probably have to build a board. Wasn't that interface a current loop?

Andrew Mawson

2012-02-14 08:38:05 UTC

Post by ***@home

Can you feed the outputs into an I/O board on a PC and pretend to be a
paper tape?

Yes Denis that is one option. I've been looking at the Arduino Max2560 which
gives me ample ttl level outputs and also the benefit of USB input - but
it's yet another project to knuckle down to and learn!

AWEM

Paul D Smith

2012-02-14 09:00:21 UTC

Post by Andrew Mawson
Yes Denis that is one option. I've been looking at the Arduino Max2560
which gives me ample ttl level outputs and also the benefit of USB input -
but it's yet another project to knuckle down to and learn!

Admittedly we're computer nerds but my colleagues who've played with Arduino
tell me its a doddle if you understand 'C' programming.

Paul DS

Bob Eager

2012-02-14 15:43:12 UTC

Post by ***@home

Post by Andrew Mawson
Sadly the RS232 is not an option due to oddities in the Fanuc 6
firmware the relevant way is only the tape reader / punch which are a
proprietary non standard parallel implementation

Can you feed the outputs into an I/O board on a PC and pretend to be a
paper tape?

Yes Denis that is one option. I've been looking at the Arduino Max2560
which gives me ample ttl level outputs and also the benefit of USB input
- but it's yet another project to knuckle down to and learn!

I was just going to suggest an Arduino...

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The Other Mike

2012-02-14 10:46:23 UTC

On Mon, 13 Feb 2012 15:20:46 -0000, "Andrew Mawson"

Post by Andrew Mawson
Backing up parameters in a Fanuc 6M control used in a 1985 Fanuc Tape Cut
Model M wire EDM machine that happens to be sitting in my garage and being
polished!! Parameters are held in Bubble Memory (remember that?) which I
need to remove.

Wouldn't it be easier to donate the Fanuc to a museum, and use a PC
with EMC2 ?

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Andrew Mawson

2012-02-14 10:58:25 UTC

Post by The Other Mike
On Mon, 13 Feb 2012 15:20:46 -0000, "Andrew Mawson"

Wouldn't it be easier to donate the Fanuc to a museum, and use a PC
with EMC2 ?
--

Wouldn't get much edm wire cutting done that way!

AWEM

mark

2012-02-14 12:54:54 UTC

AWEM

We have backups of all parameters from our Fanuc 6`s taken with a
laptop and a simple comms programme.
Unless it`s an older Fanuc 6A which is doubtful in 1985 there should
be no need for punched tape.
We have a Facit punch and a teleprinter but they`re not needed.
Beside the tape reader there are usually two sockets,one being RS 232.

Andrew Mawson

2012-02-14 13:09:23 UTC

AWEM

Mark,

It's also a DNC/Drip feeding issue of CAM generated code larger than the
memory of the machine. The 6M cannot drip feed from the RS232 only from the
tape reader, so it's either produce it on tape or find a BTR (behind taper
reader) unit for less than the 500 squid people are asking!

AWEM

mark

2012-02-14 13:53:09 UTC

On Feb 14, 1:09 pm, "Andrew Mawson"

AWEM

Mark,
It's also a DNC/Drip feeding issue of CAM generated code larger than the
memory of the machine. The 6M cannot drip feed from the RS232 only from the
tape reader, so it's either produce it on tape or find a BTR (behind taper
reader) unit for less than the 500 squid people are asking!
AWEM

The OP was for downloading parameters.

Jules Richardson

2012-02-14 14:54:30 UTC

Post by Andrew Mawson
It's also a DNC/Drip feeding issue of CAM generated code larger than
the memory of the machine. The 6M cannot drip feed from the RS232 only
from the tape reader, so it's either produce it on tape or find a BTR
(behind taper reader) unit for less than the 500 squid people are
asking!
AWEM

The OP was for downloading parameters.

Feature-creep :-)

Andrew Mawson

2012-02-14 16:37:18 UTC

The OP was for downloading parameters.

Feature-creep :-)

More for simplification really as the majority of readers of the group will
not be into the intricacies of ancient CNC machines <G>

AWEM

The Other Mike

2012-02-16 09:33:01 UTC

On Tue, 14 Feb 2012 10:58:25 -0000, "Andrew Mawson"

Post by The Other Mike
On Mon, 13 Feb 2012 15:20:46 -0000, "Andrew Mawson"

Wouldn't it be easier to donate the Fanuc to a museum, and use a PC
with EMC2 ?
--

Wouldn't get much edm wire cutting done that way!

I meant dump the controller for something a bit more modern.

--

Andrew Mawson

2012-02-16 16:31:25 UTC

Post by The Other Mike
On Tue, 14 Feb 2012 10:58:25 -0000, "Andrew Mawson"

Post by The Other Mike
On Mon, 13 Feb 2012 15:20:46 -0000, "Andrew Mawson"

Wouldn't it be easier to donate the Fanuc to a museum, and use a PC
with EMC2 ?
--

Wouldn't get much edm wire cutting done that way!

I meant dump the controller for something a bit more modern.
--

It's a very capable controller and entirely adequate for the job.
Implementing a four axis retrofit on something as specific as a wire edm
machine is significantly more complex than, say, a 3 axis mill with a rotary
4th axis. Not only do you have to consider the linear motion of the axis but
also the control of the current source which is 'servo' in the sense of
feedback to the control, and the brake system that applies varying tension
to the wire dependant on cutting characteristics.

AWEM

Huge

2012-02-13 15:24:02 UTC

Post by Roger Mills

Post by Andrew Mawson
Anyone know of a Teletype or a Facit 4070 paper tape punch gathering
dust and needing re-homing?
Yes I need to punch some paper tape !!
AWEM

Blimey - that takes me back a few decades! Must have been in the 1970's
that I last used punched paper tape.

Me too.

Post by Roger Mills
We had a manual punch for computer
cards, but I don't remember ever seeing one for paper tape

We edited all our source on ASR-33s;

http://www.pdp8.net/asr33/asr33.shtml

We also had a manual punch which looked like this;

Loading Image...

Post by Roger Mills
In those days, if the tape contained ASCII data, I could hold it up to
the light and tell you what it said.

Me too, although slowly. The girls in the punch room could read it as fast
as written English.

Post by Roger Mills
What are you using it for?

I wonder what I did with all my tapes of line printer pictures?

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Steve Firth

2012-02-13 19:27:28 UTC

Huge <***@nowhere.much.invalid> wrote:
[snip]

Post by Roger Mills
We had a manual punch for computer
cards, but I don't remember ever seeing one for paper tape

There's one in a glass case, about two floors down from where I am working.

Post by Huge
We edited all our source on ASR-33s;

Me too, then we upgraded to Olivettis then Newbury terminals with "massive"
4kB of RAM.

Andrew Gabriel

2012-02-13 20:21:34 UTC

Post by Steve Firth
Me too, then we upgraded to Olivettis then Newbury terminals with "massive"
4kB of RAM.

Still got a Newbury NL7009 somewhere, and all the servicing manuals.
Last time I turned it on (probably 10 years ago), it was rather dim.
The thing which killed them was failure of the Brimar tube driving
modules, which were unobtainable. Various other things did go wrong
(such as the PSU rectifier diodes blowing), but they were easily
fixed.

Got a Cifer 2634 too, which was working fine last time I tried it,
and also a Cifer 2684 which could run CP/M in its own right, although
the floppy disk drive is head-crashed on this one, and I don't have
any of the CP/M disks, but I think it still works as a terminal.

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Paul D Smith

2012-02-13 15:22:37 UTC

Post by Andrew Mawson
Yes I need to punch some paper tape !!
AWEM

Tried the Science Museum or the computer dept. of the nearest
well-established Uni? You might find an enthusiastic nerd only too happy to
try getting ye olde hardware working again. Would make a good YouTube video
seeing it run!

20+ years ago I could have had a go myself as my lab. had a PDP-11 and we
still had a paper tape system, not that we used it in the 4 years I was
there.

Paul DS.

Huge

2012-02-13 15:27:13 UTC

Post by Paul D Smith

Post by Andrew Mawson
Yes I need to punch some paper tape !!
AWEM

Tried the Science Museum or the computer dept. of the nearest
well-established Uni?

Or better still, these people;

http://www.bletchleypark.org.uk/edu/collect/computer.rhtm

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2012-02-13 15:59:52 UTC

Post by Paul D Smith

Post by Andrew Mawson
Yes I need to punch some paper tape !!
AWEM

Tried the Science Museum or the computer dept. of the nearest
well-established Uni?

Or better still, these people;
http://www.bletchleypark.org.uk/edu/collect/computer.rhtm

I was just about to suggest the same, they are a very "interesting"
group. I was over there a couple of weeks back and I'm sure one of the
guys had leather patches on the elbows of his jumper.

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Huge

2012-02-13 16:41:58 UTC

Post by Bill

Post by Paul D Smith

Post by Andrew Mawson
Yes I need to punch some paper tape !!
AWEM

Tried the Science Museum or the computer dept. of the nearest
well-established Uni?

Or better still, these people;
http://www.bletchleypark.org.uk/edu/collect/computer.rhtm

I was just about to suggest the same, they are a very "interesting"
group.

I donated all my old computer kit to them a couple of years ago.

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2012-02-13 21:44:05 UTC

Post by Bill

Post by Huge
http://www.bletchleypark.org.uk/edu/collect/computer.rhtm

I was just about to suggest the same, they are a very "interesting"
group.

I donated all my old computer kit to them a couple of years ago.

Tony Sale had several 6V8G beam tetrode valves from me for Colossus.

I tried offering a working Tektronics 4012, but they had no space
for it (it was early days when it wasn't really up and running),
so unfortunately it got scrapped.

I have a working GEC 4160 minicomputer which will probably go there
when I let go of it. (I now have an emulator of it fully working.)

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Mike Tomlinson

2012-02-13 16:18:52 UTC

Post by Huge
Or better still, these people;
http://www.bletchleypark.org.uk/edu/collect/computer.rhtm

I offered them a hand-built acoustic coupler dating to the mid-70s a
while ago but they weren't interested. No interest on Ebay, and got
some muppet asking whether it spoke Bell 103 or V21 (!)

Still have the blasted thing as I can't bring myself to throw it out.

http://jasper.org.uk/coupler

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Huge

2012-02-13 16:54:00 UTC

Post by Huge
Or better still, these people;
http://www.bletchleypark.org.uk/edu/collect/computer.rhtm

I offered them a hand-built acoustic coupler dating to the mid-70s a
while ago but they weren't interested.

They took all my stuff. (Several Beebs, a PDP-11/23+, a Sinclair ZX80,
couple of early Sun SPARCstations, couple of Xerox 820s and a VT100, along
with software and manuals for all of it.)

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2012-02-14 16:24:53 UTC

Post by Huge
They took all my stuff. (Several Beebs, a PDP-11/23+, a Sinclair ZX80,
couple of early Sun SPARCstations, couple of Xerox 820s and a VT100, along
with software and manuals for all of it.)

Oh, ok. This was admittedly several years ago and they did say at the
time they didn't have space (though it's hardly big!). I'll try again.

Chap from Canada emailed me a while ago to ask if I knew anyone who
would take his SuperBrain, but it would cost more to ship to the UK than
it was worth.

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Jules Richardson

2012-02-14 19:29:39 UTC

Oh, ok. This was admittedly several years ago and they did say at the
time they didn't have space (though it's hardly big!). I'll try again.

Did you try contacting Bletchley Park, or the National Museum of
Computing? (http://www.tnmoc.org)

It's NMoC on the same site that you really want (and I remember meeting
Huge when he dropped all his stuff off). The Park as a whole do own a
handful of machines, but I don't know how good they are at passing on
offers of stuff to the NMoC side (relations in the past have at times
been rather political and strained :-)

Post by Mike Tomlinson
Chap from Canada emailed me a while ago to ask if I knew anyone who
would take his SuperBrain, but it would cost more to ship to the UK than
it was worth.

Hmm, I'm in northern Minnesota these days, not too far from the Canadian
border; I might be interested if he still has it, as shipping to me might
be an option depending on where he is (sadly it's the road portions of
shipping that are the expensive bit, so it may well be almost as
expensive to get it to me as it would be all the way to the UK).

cheers

Jules

Huge

2012-02-15 08:38:04 UTC

Oh, ok. This was admittedly several years ago and they did say at the
time they didn't have space (though it's hardly big!). I'll try again.

Blimey, was dat yoo?

That was a really good day - getting a demo of Colossus, seeing the bombe
and having a wander round afterwards. Make little cold feet stamp up and
down my spine - this is *Station X*!! Alan Turing worked *here*!!!!

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Mike Tomlinson

2012-02-15 13:55:48 UTC

Post by Huge
That was a really good day - getting a demo of Colossus, seeing the bombe
and having a wander round afterwards. Make little cold feet stamp up and
down my spine - this is *Station X*!! Alan Turing worked *here*!!!!

Signed up as a member at BP last year but not yet managed to make it
down there. These photos of the Bombe are fantastic:

http://www.jharper.demon.co.uk/bombe2.htm

You may or may not be aware that 2012 is Turing's centenary year:

http://www.mathcomp.leeds.ac.uk/turing2012/

I'll be attending this lecture next week:

http://www.jasper.org.uk/TuringLecture.pdf

Just finished reading Robert Harris's 'Enigma' in which Turing is only a
peripheral figure. Not a very good book but it goes give one quite a
vivid mental image of what it must have been like working at Bletchley
Park.

M.

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Bob Eager

2012-02-15 21:52:00 UTC

Post by Huge
That was a really good day - getting a demo of Colossus, seeing the
bombe and having a wander round afterwards. Make little cold feet stamp
up and down my spine - this is *Station X*!! Alan Turing worked
*here*!!!!

Yes....I've been there many times and it still gets to me.

Post by Mike Tomlinson
Signed up as a member at BP last year but not yet managed to make it
down there.

Been a member for 15 years now.

Post by Mike Tomlinson
Just finished reading Robert Harris's 'Enigma' in which Turing is only a
peripheral figure. Not a very good book but it goes give one quite a
vivid mental image of what it must have been like working at Bletchley
Park.

try reading 'Cryptonomicon'; Turing even turns up there for a bit, and
it's a great book although not much BP in it.

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Bob Martin

2012-02-16 08:00:26 UTC

Post by Huge
That was a really good day - getting a demo of Colossus, seeing the
bombe and having a wander round afterwards. Make little cold feet stamp
up and down my spine - this is *Station X*!! Alan Turing worked
*here*!!!!

Yes....I've been there many times and it still gets to me.

Post by Mike Tomlinson
Signed up as a member at BP last year but not yet managed to make it
down there.

Been a member for 15 years now.

try reading 'Cryptonomicon'; Turing even turns up there for a bit, and
it's a great book although not much BP in it.

Amazon.uk only offers the German edition for the Kindle, but I suppose
I could use the practice!

Bob Eager

2012-02-16 16:25:17 UTC

Post by Huge
That was a really good day - getting a demo of Colossus, seeing the
bombe and having a wander round afterwards. Make little cold feet
stamp up and down my spine - this is *Station X*!! Alan Turing worked
*here*!!!!

Yes....I've been there many times and it still gets to me.

Post by Mike Tomlinson
Signed up as a member at BP last year but not yet managed to make it
down there.

Been a member for 15 years now.

Post by Mike Tomlinson
Just finished reading Robert Harris's 'Enigma' in which Turing is only
a peripheral figure. Not a very good book but it goes give one quite
a vivid mental image of what it must have been like working at
Bletchley Park.

try reading 'Cryptonomicon'; Turing even turns up there for a bit, and
it's a great book although not much BP in it.

Amazon.uk only offers the German edition for the Kindle, but I suppose I
could use the practice!

I bought mine long before the Kindle...!

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Mike Tomlinson

2012-02-16 07:57:10 UTC

Post by Bob Eager
try reading 'Cryptonomicon'; Turing even turns up there for a bit, and
it's a great book although not much BP in it.

Thanks for the recommend - looking on Amazon now.

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Jules Richardson

2012-02-15 14:54:52 UTC

Post by Jules Richardson
It's NMoC on the same site that you really want (and I remember meeting
Huge when he dropped all his stuff off

Blimey, was dat yoo?

Indeed :)

Post by Huge
That was a really good day - getting a demo of Colossus, seeing the
bombe and having a wander round afterwards. Make little cold feet stamp
up and down my spine - this is *Station X*!! Alan Turing worked
*here*!!!!

Yeah, it's a good place - I do rather miss it. The politics would get
more than a little frustrating, though! I think there were only ever 4
Colossi in H Block (perhaps it was 6) - but there were something like 10
in F Block (which stood where the grassy area below 'H' is. Must have
been a very interesting place in its heyday.

cheers

Jules

Huge

2012-02-15 16:30:04 UTC

Post by Jules Richardson
It's NMoC on the same site that you really want (and I remember meeting
Huge when he dropped all his stuff off

Blimey, was dat yoo?

Indeed :)

Small world!

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2012-02-15 13:59:18 UTC

Post by Jules Richardson
Did you try contacting Bletchley Park, or the National Museum of
Computing? (http://www.tnmoc.org)

I can't remember. I actually went through someone else - Dave Moore,
who ran the Stairway to Hell BBC software website.

Post by Jules Richardson
It's NMoC on the same site that you really want

ta.

Post by Jules Richardson
Hmm, I'm in northern Minnesota these days, not too far from the Canadian
border; I might be interested if he still has it

I'll dig out the email tonight and ask him if he still has it, if so,
can pass on your email address if you wish and you can sort it out
direct with him.

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Dave Liquorice

2012-02-13 15:27:19 UTC

Post by Andrew Mawson
Anyone know of a Teletype or a Facit 4070 paper tape punch gathering
dust and needing re-homing?

How many bits? I can do(*) 5 bit as per telex machines. I am *NOT*
parting company with my Creed 444.

(*) Well the machine hasn't been powered up for rather a long time
but unless the grease/oil has solidified it should work provided the
80-0-80v PSU stilll does. B-)

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Cheers
Dave.

Andrew Mawson

2012-02-13 17:19:42 UTC

Post by Dave Liquorice

Post by Andrew Mawson
Anyone know of a Teletype or a Facit 4070 paper tape punch gathering
dust and needing re-homing?

How many bits? I can do(*) 5 bit as per telex machines. I am *NOT*
parting company with my Creed 444.
(*) Well the machine hasn't been powered up for rather a long time
but unless the grease/oil has solidified it should work provided the
80-0-80v PSU stilll does. B-)

Well that's more replies than I expected!!!

a/ Bletchley Park ... sshh I used to work there!
b/ Leather Patches on elbows - what's wrong with that - very 'green' !
c/ Mikes acoustic coupler - I had a very similar one that I wound up to 300
baud - great improvement on 110 from a Teletype
d/ Four years ago I gave away a KSR33 with only 7.5 hours on the clock -it
went to a west country museum - forgotten where exactly
e/ 8 bit tape I'm afraid
f/ Yes there are devices called 'BTRs - Behind the Tape Reader' that emulate
the readers signals for input. One on the US ebay at the moment but £500
!The Fanuc 6M is a bit odd in it's firmware in that although there is an
RS232 port that is bi-directional, using it it can only load program memory
up to it's full capacity (documented in feet of paper tape) then execute it
when loaded, whereas the tape reader can read a theoretical infinite amount
of data which gets executed as it is read - this is necessary for large
chunks of code generated by modern CAM software.

AWEM

David WE Roberts

2012-02-13 19:02:18 UTC

Post by Andrew Mawson
Anyone know of a Teletype or a Facit 4070 paper tape punch gathering dust
and needing re-homing?
Yes I need to punch some paper tape !!

Try http://www.computerconservationsociety.org/.
If they don't have it, then they may know where to get one.

If you chance across the Resurrection Bulletin Editor then mention my name
and no doubt you will be roundly insulted ;-)

Cheers

Dave R

--
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[Not even bunny]

Helmuth von Moltke the Elder

(\__/)
(='.'=)
(")_(")

Andrew Mawson

2012-02-13 19:22:01 UTC

Post by David WE Roberts

Post by Andrew Mawson
Anyone know of a Teletype or a Facit 4070 paper tape punch gathering dust
and needing re-homing?
Yes I need to punch some paper tape !!

Try http://www.computerconservationsociety.org/.
If they don't have it, then they may know where to get one.
If you chance across the Resurrection Bulletin Editor then mention my name
and no doubt you will be roundly insulted ;-)
Cheers
Dave R

Thanks for that link, the next meeting sounds very interesting:

The Ferranti Argus Process Control Computer
in London
Thu 16th Feb @ 14:00

As I happened to work for Ferranti in London for 25 years on Argus Process
Control Computers !!!!

AWEM

David WE Roberts

2012-02-13 19:35:17 UTC

Post by David WE Roberts

Post by Andrew Mawson
Anyone know of a Teletype or a Facit 4070 paper tape punch gathering
dust and needing re-homing?
Yes I need to punch some paper tape !!

Try http://www.computerconservationsociety.org/.
If they don't have it, then they may know where to get one.
If you chance across the Resurrection Bulletin Editor then mention my name
and no doubt you will be roundly insulted ;-)
Cheers
Dave R

The Ferranti Argus Process Control Computer
in London
As I happened to work for Ferranti in London for 25 years on Argus Process
Control Computers !!!!

My background was in programming and system support of ICL System 4, 2900
VME/B, then 296x DME 1900 emulation.
A very rare move back from hexadecimal to octal - it took us a while to work
out where 8,9,A,B,C,D,E,F had all gone :-)

Then they invented the IBM PC...........

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[Not even bunny]

Helmuth von Moltke the Elder

(\__/)
(='.'=)
(")_(")

Bob Eager

2012-02-13 19:46:26 UTC

Post by David WE Roberts
My background was in programming and system support of ICL System 4,
2900 VME/B, then 296x DME 1900 emulation.
A very rare move back from hexadecimal to octal - it took us a while to
work out where 8,9,A,B,C,D,E,F had all gone

LOL!

Never used VME/B, but suffered VME/K for three years until we dumped it
in favour of something more functional and reliable. Our 2960 wasn't up
to running VME/B.

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Andy Champ

2012-02-13 21:19:28 UTC

Post by Bob Eager
Never used VME/B, but suffered VME/K for three years until we dumped it
in favour of something more functional and reliable.

Oi! De mortuis nil nisi bonum dicendum est!

You probably dumped K about the time it _was_ getting reliable.

Back to the tape - surely all you need is one of the old manual punches,
which being a DIY person could be made.

Like this:

http://www.the-manors.co.uk/vintage-papertape.shtml

Andy

Bob Eager

2012-02-13 21:35:13 UTC

Post by Andy Champ

Post by Bob Eager
Never used VME/B, but suffered VME/K for three years until we dumped it
in favour of something more functional and reliable.

Oi! De mortuis nil nisi bonum dicendum est!
You probably dumped K about the time it _was_ getting reliable.

No, we dumped it when they did a major re-jig and removed some vital
features that were essential to us.

We had a rollong MTBF of 20 hours for that system. Within a year, with
the new operating system, it was just over 2000 hours!

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Andrew Mawson

2012-02-13 22:35:48 UTC

Post by Andy Champ

Never used VME/B, but suffered VME /K for three years until we dumped it
in favour of something more functional and reliable.

Oi! De mortuis nil nisi bonum dicendum est!
You probably dumped K about the time it _was_ getting reliable.
Back to the tape - surely all you need is one of the old manual punches,
which being a DIY person could be made.
http://www.the-manors.co.uk/vintage-papertape.shtml
Andy

...er ..cough ... I have one just like that, AND the sticky 'all holes'
patches to splice tapes !

AWEM

Another Dave

2012-02-14 09:43:15 UTC

Post by David WE Roberts
My background was in programming and system support of ICL System 4,
2900 VME/B, then 296x DME 1900 emulation.

That's going back a bit. I used to teach System 4 Assembler and the 5E
and 5J operating systems at Kidsgrove. I left when ICT took over English
Electric (1967?) and they tried to move me darn sarf.

Another Dave

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Bob Eager

2012-02-13 19:45:15 UTC

Post by Andrew Mawson
Anyone know of a Teletype or a Facit 4070 paper tape punch gathering
dust and needing re-homing?
Yes I need to punch some paper tape !!

Try http://www.computerconservationsociety.org/. If they don't have it,
then they may know where to get one.
If you chance across the Resurrection Bulletin Editor then mention my
name and no doubt you will be roundly insulted ;-)
Cheers
Dave R

The Ferranti Argus Process Control Computer in London
As I happened to work for Ferranti in London for 25 years on Argus
Process Control Computers !!!!

It's a pain that the meetings are on Thursdays....it's the one day I
*have* to be at work! I keep missing good stuff.

Remember seeing a couple of Arguses back in 1974, at the CEGB control
centre in London.

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http://www.mirrorservice.org

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Andrew Mawson

2012-02-13 20:37:13 UTC

Post by Andrew Mawson
Anyone know of a Teletype or a Facit 4070 paper tape punch gathering
dust and needing re-homing?
Yes I need to punch some paper tape !!

Remember seeing a couple of Arguses back in 1974, at the CEGB control
centre in London.

Yes Bob, they were my responsibility! There were actually three - the A & B
suites and a Model L programme development machine. Originally equipped with
Bryant Drum stores, we upgraded them to Burroughs 2Mb disks ! two hundred
tracks with a read head per track and average latency of 17mSec. Heads
loaded onto the surface of the disk with compressed air. The interface from
the A suite also traversed the B and vice versa, with 'highway switching
units' (305 way double pole switching!!!!) allowing either suite to take
over the others peripherals. Cutting edge for its time.

AWEM

Bob Eager

2012-02-13 21:36:42 UTC

Post by Bob Eager
Remember seeing a couple of Arguses back in 1974, at the CEGB control
centre in London.

Yes Bob, they were my responsibility! There were actually three - the A
& B suites and a Model L programme development machine.

Yes, we were actually shown all three. At thew time they were building
security doors to the building...

Post by Andrew Mawson
Originally
equipped with Bryant Drum stores, we upgraded them to Burroughs 2Mb
disks ! two hundred tracks with a read head per track and average
latency of 17mSec. Heads loaded onto the surface of the disk with
compressed air. The interface from the A suite also traversed the B and
vice versa, with 'highway switching units' (305 way double pole
switching!!!!) allowing either suite to take over the others
peripherals. Cutting edge for its time.

It was very interesting...it was an IEE visit. Bet you can't get in there
these days.

--
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http://www.mirrorservice.org

*lightning protection* - a w_tom conductor

Andrew Mawson

2012-02-13 22:38:42 UTC

Post by Bob Eager
Remember seeing a couple of Arguses back in 1974, at the CEGB control
centre in London.

Yes Bob, they were my responsibility! There were actually three - the A
& B suites and a Model L programme development machine.

Yes, we were actually shown all three. At thew time they were building
security doors to the building...

It was very interesting...it was an IEE visit. Bet you can't get in there
these days.

Those security doors were actually supposed to be nuclear blast doors, same
things closed across all the windows as well. I'm sure they'd let you in now
as it's all been split up and move to Wokingham & St Albans !!!!

AWEM

Bob Eager

2012-02-14 00:01:23 UTC

Post by Bob Eager
Remember seeing a couple of Arguses back in 1974, at the CEGB control
centre in London.

Yes Bob, they were my responsibility! There were actually three - the
A & B suites and a Model L programme development machine.

Yes, we were actually shown all three. At thew time they were building
security doors to the building...

Post by Andrew Mawson
Originally
equipped with Bryant Drum stores, we upgraded them to Burroughs 2Mb
disks ! two hundred tracks with a read head per track and average
latency of 17mSec. Heads loaded onto the surface of the disk with
compressed air. The interface from the A suite also traversed the B
and vice versa, with 'highway switching units' (305 way double pole
switching!!!!) allowing either suite to take over the others
peripherals. Cutting edge for its time.

It was very interesting...it was an IEE visit. Bet you can't get in
there these days.

Those security doors were actually supposed to be nuclear blast doors,
same things closed across all the windows as well. I'm sure they'd let
you in now as it's all been split up and move to Wokingham & St Albans
!!!!

Ah, now you need two nuclear bombs!

--
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http://www.mirrorservice.org

*lightning protection* - a w_tom conductor

Nthkentman

2012-02-13 19:29:22 UTC

Post by Andrew Mawson
Anyone know of a Teletype or a Facit 4070 paper tape punch gathering dust
and needing re-homing?
Yes I need to punch some paper tape !!

You might ask here and see if it leads you anywhere useful
http://www.cnczone.com/

Andrew Gabriel

2012-02-13 20:21:23 UTC

Post by Andrew Mawson
Anyone know of a Teletype or a Facit 4070 paper tape punch gathering dust
and needing re-homing?
Yes I need to punch some paper tape !!

cross-posting to uk.comp.vintage

--
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[email address is not usable -- followup in the newsgroup]

h***@gmail.com

2014-02-06 13:24:59 UTC

Post by Andrew Mawson
Anyone know of a Teletype or a Facit 4070 paper tape punch gathering dust
and needing re-homing?
Yes I need to punch some paper tape !!
AWEM

not sure if you are still interested but I just got one in. Adam 416 9906140

Jim K

2014-02-06 13:27:20 UTC

Post by Andrew Mawson
Anyone know of a Teletype or a Facit 4070 paper tape punch gathering dust
and needing re-homing?
Yes I need to punch some paper tape !!
AWEM

not sure if you are still interested but I just got one in. Adam 416 9906140

go on, thrill us - how much $?

Jim K

s***@gmail.com

2014-02-06 15:55:03 UTC

Hey Jim.
I actually have no idea what this is worth, I stumbled upon this message board while researching what the heck this unit is. Feel free to make me an offer and I can run it by my boss.

Cheers Joe.

Post by Jim K

Post by Andrew Mawson
and needing re-homing?
Yes I need to punch some paper tape !!
AWEM

not sure if you are still interested but I just got one in. Adam 416 9906140

go on, thrill us - how much $?
Jim K

Huge

2014-02-06 16:01:36 UTC

Post by s***@gmail.com
Hey Jim.
I actually have no idea what this is worth, I stumbled upon this message board while researching what the heck this unit is. Feel free to make me an offer and I can run it by my boss.
Cheers Joe.

Post by Jim K

Post by Andrew Mawson
and needing re-homing?
Yes I need to punch some paper tape !!
AWEM

not sure if you are still interested but I just got one in. Adam 416 9906140

go on, thrill us - how much $?

The original post is two years old and from the UK. No-one is going to pay
to ship 100kg of KSR-33 across the Atlantic, even assuming they see this.

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Awesome And Terrible Majesty Of The Towering Seas Of Ire That Are
Themselves The Milquetoast Shallows Fringing My Vast Oceans Of Wrath"

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2014-02-06 16:03:03 UTC

Just putting it out there.
Probably post it on ebay as well

Post by s***@gmail.com
Cheers Joe.

Post by Jim K

Post by Andrew Mawson
and needing re-homing?
Yes I need to punch some paper tape !!
AWEM

not sure if you are still interested but I just got one in. Adam 416 9906140

go on, thrill us - how much $?

The original post is two years old and from the UK. No-one is going to pay
to ship 100kg of KSR-33 across the Atlantic, even assuming they see this.
--
Today is Boomtime, the 37th day of Chaos in the YOLD 3180
"Mistake Not My Current State Of Joshing Gentle Peevishness For The
Awesome And Terrible Majesty Of The Towering Seas Of Ire That Are
Themselves The Milquetoast Shallows Fringing My Vast Oceans Of Wrath"

s***@gmail.com

2014-02-06 13:27:23 UTC