Unattended Bonfires

[Bertie Doe]

You've only got yourself to blame if you locate next to a group of
allotments. There are some freehold allotments adjoining our terrace ( I own
one of them).

One of my absentee neighbours (she lives in Scandinavia) has sub-let her
allotment, to a guy who likes leaving compost to smoulder for 24 + hours.
Problem is, if you leave your bedroom window open at night, the pong can be
unpleasant.

When I complained to Scandinavian lady's parents (who manage the allotment
on her behalf) I was asked "Don't you like the smell of smoke?" I replied
"My wife doesn't like the smell on washing" My wife is also a former TB
sufferer and her lungs are pretty much shot.

Next time I don't want to call the Fire Brigade out but is there any other
action I can take? TIA

[Brian Gaff]

Have you tried approaching the person they sub let it to? I'm not sure you
are allowed to sub let allotments around here actually, but that is a whole
other thing.


One of the problems is the weather, under certain conditions smoke does tend
to swirl near the ground and become a big problem to neighbours. After all
all he needs to do is damp it down before he leaves the site.
Brian
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Post by Bertie Doe
You've only got yourself to blame if you locate next to a group of
allotments. There are some freehold allotments adjoining our terrace ( I
own one of them).
One of my absentee neighbours (she lives in Scandinavia) has sub-let her
allotment, to a guy who likes leaving compost to smoulder for 24 + hours.
Problem is, if you leave your bedroom window open at night, the pong can
be unpleasant.
When I complained to Scandinavian lady's parents (who manage the allotment
on her behalf) I was asked "Don't you like the smell of smoke?" I replied
"My wife doesn't like the smell on washing" My wife is also a former TB
sufferer and her lungs are pretty much shot.
Next time I don't want to call the Fire Brigade out but is there any other
action I can take? TIA

[Bertie Doe]

Post by Brian Gaff
Have you tried approaching the person they sub let it to? I'm not sure you
are allowed to sub let allotments around here actually, but that is a whole
other thing.

If you own the freehold of the allotment, you can sub-let it. They're not
council allotments. After the 1st out-of-control fire (about 3 weeks ago) it
took wife and self about 20 buckets of water to get it back under control. I
spoke to him and he assured me he wouldn't leave fire unattended again.

Post by Brian Gaff
One of the problems is the weather, under certain conditions smoke does
tend to swirl near the ground and become a big problem to neighbours. After
all all he needs to do is damp it down before he leaves the site.
Brian

He did it again 4 nights ago. This time a smaller fire which he'd dampened
down beforehand. This time we got smoke and steam for 24 hours. His excuse
was, the wind was blowing away from the houses at 10 pm, when he left. The
warm front which came, failed to put out the fire but did shift the wind
direction thru' say, 100 degrees.

I suggested he invest £14 (Trago Mills) in an incinerator, it would get
through 6 wheelbarrow loads in a couple of hours. He didn't think it's a
good idea !! Trouble is, he doesn't live here. He'd get an ear-bashing from
his wife, if the washing stank of smoke. The joys of opening a bedroom
window on a warm Summer's evening are now gone.

The problem with talking Legal Action is persuading 24 householders to foot
the bill. I was hoping there was an alternative ?

[Rod Speed]

Post by Bertie Doe

Post by Brian Gaff
Have you tried approaching the person they sub let it to? I'm not sure you
are allowed to sub let allotments around here actually, but that is a
whole other thing.

If you own the freehold of the allotment, you can sub-let it. They're not
council allotments. After the 1st out-of-control fire (about 3 weeks ago)
it took wife and self about 20 buckets of water to get it back under
control. I spoke to him and he assured me he wouldn't leave fire
unattended again.

Post by Brian Gaff
One of the problems is the weather, under certain conditions smoke does
tend to swirl near the ground and become a big problem to neighbours.
After all all he needs to do is damp it down before he leaves the site.
Brian

He did it again 4 nights ago. This time a smaller fire which he'd dampened
down beforehand. This time we got smoke and steam for 24 hours. His excuse
was, the wind was blowing away from the houses at 10 pm, when he left. The
warm front which came, failed to put out the fire but did shift the wind
direction thru' say, 100 degrees.
I suggested he invest £14 (Trago Mills) in an incinerator, it would get
through 6 wheelbarrow loads in a couple of hours. He didn't think it's a
good idea !! Trouble is, he doesn't live here. He'd get an ear-bashing
from his wife, if the washing stank of smoke. The joys of opening a
bedroom window on a warm Summer's evening are now gone.
The problem with talking Legal Action is persuading 24 householders to
foot the bill. I was hoping there was an alternative ?

Corse there is, kill him.

[Peeler]

On Sun, 17 Jun 2018 20:02:14 +1000, cantankerous geezer Rot Speed blabbered,

Post by Rod Speed

Post by Bertie Doe
The problem with talking Legal Action is persuading 24 householders to
foot the bill. I was hoping there was an alternative ?

Corse there is, kill him.

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[Bertie Doe]

Post by Rod Speed

Post by Bertie Doe
The problem with talking Legal Action is persuading 24 householders to
foot the bill. I was hoping there was an alternative ?

Corse there is, kill him.

That may be the only solution in Oz but over here - eyebrows would be
raised.

[Fredxx]

Post by Bertie Doe

Post by Brian Gaff
Have you tried approaching the person they sub let it to? I'm not sure
you are allowed to sub let allotments around here actually, but that
is a whole other thing.

If you own the freehold of the allotment, you can sub-let it. They're
not council allotments. After the 1st out-of-control fire (about 3 weeks
ago) it took wife and self about 20 buckets of water to get it back
under control. I spoke to him and he assured me he wouldn't leave fire
unattended again.

Post by Brian Gaff
One of the problems is the weather, under certain conditions smoke
does tend to swirl near the ground and become a big problem to
neighbours. After all all he needs to do is damp it down before he
leaves the site.
Brian

He did it again 4 nights ago. This time a smaller fire which he'd
dampened down beforehand. This time we got smoke and steam for 24 hours.
His excuse was, the wind was blowing away from the houses at 10 pm, when
he left. The warm front which came, failed to put out the fire but did
shift the wind direction thru' say, 100 degrees.
I suggested he invest £14 (Trago Mills) in an incinerator, it would get
through 6 wheelbarrow loads in a couple of hours. He didn't think it's a
good idea !! Trouble is, he doesn't live here. He'd get an ear-bashing
from his wife, if the washing stank of smoke. The joys of opening a
bedroom window on a warm Summer's evening are now gone.
The problem with talking Legal Action is persuading 24 householders to
foot the bill. I was hoping there was an alternative ?

Just say to him you'll drench his plot with Glyphosate as that will stop
regrowth of vegetation that will need burning.

[s***@gowanhill.com]

Post by Bertie Doe
The problem with talking Legal Action is persuading 24 householders to foot
the bill. I was hoping there was an alternative ?

Complain to local authority Environmental Health that the continued and prolonged bonfires are a statutory nuisance. Under the Environmental Protection Act 1990, the Council is obliged to take action where a statutory nuisance exists.

https://www.eden.gov.uk/your-environment/statutory-nuisance/bonfires-and-smoke/

The notice may be served on Scandinavian Lady or her Parents if they are the owners or managers of the land concerned.

Another possibility is an injunction against bonfires but you'd probably need to know the identity of the culprit.

For both of the above you don't need 24 householders to all complain, but it will be more effective if you have mmultiple complaints.

When does the problem allotmentee's 'tenancy' of the allotment expire? Would it be feasible for you to offer to take it over?

Owain

[Jim K]

Post by s***@gowanhill.com

Post by Bertie Doe
The problem with talking Legal Action is persuading 24 householders to foot
the bill. I was hoping there was an alternative ?

Complain to local authority Environmental Health that the continued and prolonged bonfires are a statutory nuisance. Under the Environmental Protection Act 1990, the Council is obliged to take action where a statutory nuisance exists.
https://www.eden.gov.uk/your-environment/statutory-nuisance/bonfires-and-smoke/
The notice may be served on Scandinavian Lady or her Parents if they are the owners or managers of the land concerned.
Another possibility is an injunction against bonfires but you'd probably need to know the identity of the culprit.
For both of the above you don't need 24 householders to all complain, but it will be more effective if you have mmultiple complaints.
When does the problem allotmentee's 'tenancy' of the allotment expire? Would it be feasible for you to offer to take it over?

And flag it.

[Bertie Doe]

Post by Bertie Doe
The problem with talking Legal Action is persuading 24 householders to foot
the bill. I was hoping there was an alternative ?
Complain to local authority Environmental Health that the continued and
prolonged bonfires are a statutory nuisance. Under the Environmental
Protection Act 1990, the Council is obliged >to take action where a
statutory nuisance exists.
https://www.eden.gov.uk/your-environment/statutory-nuisance/bonfires-and-smoke/
The notice may be served on Scandinavian Lady or her Parents if they are
the owners or managers of the land concerned.
Another possibility is an injunction against bonfires but you'd probably
need to know the identity of the culprit.
For both of the above you don't need 24 householders to all complain, but
it will be more effective if you have mmultiple complaints.
When does the problem allotmentee's 'tenancy' of the allotment expire?
Would it be feasible for you to offer to take it over?
Owain

There's 11 months to run on his annual tenancy plus I don't want to take on
another allotment. There's just the 2 of us and each allotment measures 170'
x 20', that's about 12 sq rod ....

Thanks for the above link to Eden DC. I'm sure our local authority will have
something similar. I'll check that out.

[Brian Reay]

Post by Bertie Doe

Post by Brian Gaff
Have you tried approaching the person they sub let it to? I'm not sure
you are allowed to sub let allotments around here actually, but that
is a whole other thing.

If you own the freehold of the allotment, you can sub-let it. They're
not council allotments. After the 1st out-of-control fire (about 3 weeks
ago) it took wife and self about 20 buckets of water to get it back
under control. I spoke to him and he assured me he wouldn't leave fire
unattended again.

Post by Brian Gaff
One of the problems is the weather, under certain conditions smoke
does tend to swirl near the ground and become a big problem to
neighbours. After all all he needs to do is damp it down before he
leaves the site.
Brian

He did it again 4 nights ago. This time a smaller fire which he'd
dampened down beforehand. This time we got smoke and steam for 24 hours.
His excuse was, the wind was blowing away from the houses at 10 pm, when
he left. The warm front which came, failed to put out the fire but did
shift the wind direction thru' say, 100 degrees.
I suggested he invest £14 (Trago Mills) in an incinerator, it would get
through 6 wheelbarrow loads in a couple of hours. He didn't think it's a
good idea !! Trouble is, he doesn't live here. He'd get an ear-bashing
from his wife, if the washing stank of smoke. The joys of opening a
bedroom window on a warm Summer's evening are now gone.
The problem with talking Legal Action is persuading 24 householders to
foot the bill. I was hoping there was an alternative ?

I'd contact the local authority. I'm sure there are rule re fires and
nuisance.

[Tim Watts]

Post by Bertie Doe
The problem with talking Legal Action is persuading 24 householders to
foot the bill. I was hoping there was an alternative ?

Have you tried the council's enviromental health dept?

This is a good writeup from my council:

http://www.rother.gov.uk/article/391/Bonfires

[tim...]

Post by Bertie Doe

Post by Brian Gaff
Have you tried approaching the person they sub let it to? I'm not sure you
are allowed to sub let allotments around here actually, but that is a
whole other thing.

If you own the freehold of the allotment, you can sub-let it. They're not
council allotments. After the 1st out-of-control fire (about 3 weeks ago)
it took wife and self about 20 buckets of water to get it back under
control. I spoke to him and he assured me he wouldn't leave fire
unattended again.

Post by Brian Gaff
One of the problems is the weather, under certain conditions smoke does
tend to swirl near the ground and become a big problem to neighbours.
After all all he needs to do is damp it down before he leaves the site.
Brian

He did it again 4 nights ago. This time a smaller fire which he'd dampened
down beforehand. This time we got smoke and steam for 24 hours. His excuse
was, the wind was blowing away from the houses at 10 pm, when he left. The
warm front which came, failed to put out the fire but did shift the wind
direction thru' say, 100 degrees.
I suggested he invest £14 (Trago Mills) in an incinerator, it would get
through 6 wheelbarrow loads in a couple of hours. He didn't think it's a
good idea !! Trouble is, he doesn't live here. He'd get an ear-bashing
from his wife, if the washing stank of smoke. The joys of opening a
bedroom window on a warm Summer's evening are now gone.
The problem with talking Legal Action is persuading 24 householders to
foot the bill. I was hoping there was an alternative ?

buy a bigger bucket

or a long hose

tim

[FMurtz]

Post by Bertie Doe

Post by Brian Gaff
Have you tried approaching the person they sub let it to? I'm not sure
you are allowed to sub let allotments around here actually, but that
is a whole other thing.

If you own the freehold of the allotment, you can sub-let it. They're
not council allotments. After the 1st out-of-control fire (about 3 weeks
ago) it took wife and self about 20 buckets of water to get it back
under control. I spoke to him and he assured me he wouldn't leave fire
unattended again.

Post by Brian Gaff
One of the problems is the weather, under certain conditions smoke
does tend to swirl near the ground and become a big problem to
neighbours. After all all he needs to do is damp it down before he
leaves the site.
Brian

He did it again 4 nights ago. This time a smaller fire which he'd
dampened down beforehand. This time we got smoke and steam for 24 hours.
His excuse was, the wind was blowing away from the houses at 10 pm, when
he left. The warm front which came, failed to put out the fire but did
shift the wind direction thru' say, 100 degrees.
I suggested he invest £14 (Trago Mills) in an incinerator, it would get
through 6 wheelbarrow loads in a couple of hours. He didn't think it's a
good idea !! Trouble is, he doesn't live here. He'd get an ear-bashing
from his wife, if the washing stank of smoke. The joys of opening a
bedroom window on a warm Summer's evening are now gone.
The problem with talking Legal Action is persuading 24 householders to
foot the bill. I was hoping there was an alternative ?

And you may end up with no one allowed a small fire.

[PeteFJ]

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He did it again 4 nights ago. This time a smaller fire which he'd
dampened down beforehand. This time we got smoke and steam for 24 hours.
His excuse was, the wind was blowing away from the houses at 10 pm, when
he left. The warm front which came, failed to put out the fire but did
shift the wind direction thru' say, 100 degrees.
snipped

Contact your local Council. The guy is creating a nuisance and as such
it's the Council's duty to stop it.
https://www.gov.uk/garden-bonfires-rules

petefj

[NY]

Post by Brian Gaff
Have you tried approaching the person they sub let it to? I'm not sure you
are allowed to sub let allotments around here actually, but that is a
whole other thing.
One of the problems is the weather, under certain conditions smoke does
tend to swirl near the ground and become a big problem to neighbours.
After all all he needs to do is damp it down before he leaves the site.

Be grateful that you don't live opposite a farm. We're living in a cottage
in a small village in the Yorkshire Dales, which sounds idyllic but the
village is dominated by a dairy farm. The smell from the cows is noticeable
but not really objectionable, but whenever the farm dig around in the muck
heap to pile it up, the whole village reeks for several days, indoors as
well as outdoors. The smell clings to any washing that is hung out to dry,
requiring re-washing and then hanging up indoors to dry (or drying "smalls"
in the tumble drier).

[Rod Speed]

Post by NY

Post by Brian Gaff
Have you tried approaching the person they sub let it to? I'm not sure
you are allowed to sub let allotments around here actually, but that is a
whole other thing.
One of the problems is the weather, under certain conditions smoke does
tend to swirl near the ground and become a big problem to neighbours.
After all all he needs to do is damp it down before he leaves the site.

Be grateful that you don't live opposite a farm. We're living in a cottage
in a small village in the Yorkshire Dales, which sounds idyllic but the
village is dominated by a dairy farm. The smell from the cows is
noticeable but not really objectionable, but whenever the farm dig around
in the muck heap to pile it up, the whole village reeks for several days,
indoors as well as outdoors. The smell clings to any washing that is hung
out to dry, requiring re-washing and then hanging up indoors to dry (or
drying "smalls" in the tumble drier).

Surely only the sox are smalls anymore now with so
many lard arses around and everyone using tissues.

Tho I spose what little kids wear are still smalls.

[Tim Streater]

Post by NY

Post by Brian Gaff
Have you tried approaching the person they sub let it to? I'm not sure you
are allowed to sub let allotments around here actually, but that is a
whole other thing.
One of the problems is the weather, under certain conditions smoke does
tend to swirl near the ground and become a big problem to neighbours.
After all all he needs to do is damp it down before he leaves the site.

Be grateful that you don't live opposite a farm. We're living in a cottage
in a small village in the Yorkshire Dales, which sounds idyllic but the
village is dominated by a dairy farm. The smell from the cows is noticeable
but not really objectionable, but whenever the farm dig around in the muck
heap to pile it up, the whole village reeks for several days, indoors as
well as outdoors. The smell clings to any washing that is hung out to dry,
requiring re-washing and then hanging up indoors to dry (or drying "smalls"
in the tumble drier).

Was the farm there before you moved there?

[Tim Lamb]

Post by Tim Streater

Post by NY

Post by Brian Gaff
Have you tried approaching the person they sub let it to? I'm not
sure you are allowed to sub let allotments around here actually, but
that is a whole other thing.
One of the problems is the weather, under certain conditions smoke
does tend to swirl near the ground and become a big problem to
neighbours. After all all he needs to do is damp it down before he
leaves the site.

Be grateful that you don't live opposite a farm. We're living in a
cottage in a small village in the Yorkshire Dales, which sounds
idyllic but the village is dominated by a dairy farm. The smell from
the cows is noticeable but not really objectionable, but whenever the
farm dig around in the muck heap to pile it up, the whole village
reeks for several days, indoors as well as outdoors. The smell clings
to any washing that is hung out to dry, requiring re-washing and then
hanging up indoors to dry (or drying "smalls" in the tumble drier).

Was the farm there before you moved there?

Planning consent for intensive livestock housing within 400m of existing
domestic housing can be an issue.

[Tim Streater]

Post by Tim Lamb

Post by Tim Streater

Post by NY

Post by Brian Gaff
Have you tried approaching the person they sub let it to? I'm not
sure you are allowed to sub let allotments around here actually, but
that is a whole other thing.
One of the problems is the weather, under certain conditions smoke
does tend to swirl near the ground and become a big problem to
neighbours. After all all he needs to do is damp it down before he
leaves the site.

Be grateful that you don't live opposite a farm. We're living in a
cottage in a small village in the Yorkshire Dales, which sounds
idyllic but the village is dominated by a dairy farm. The smell from
the cows is noticeable but not really objectionable, but whenever the
farm dig around in the muck heap to pile it up, the whole village
reeks for several days, indoors as well as outdoors. The smell clings
to any washing that is hung out to dry, requiring re-washing and then
hanging up indoors to dry (or drying "smalls" in the tumble drier).

Was the farm there before you moved there?

Planning consent for intensive livestock housing within 400m of existing
domestic housing can be an issue.

Hence my question.

[ARW]

Post by Bertie Doe
Next time I don't want to call the Fire Brigade out but is there any
other action I can take? TIA

You could piss on it.

[ss]

Post by ARW

Post by Bertie Doe
Next time I don't want to call the Fire Brigade out but is there any
other action I can take? TIA

You could piss on it.

If he leaves it unattended in the evening put it out with a few buckets
of water.