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Jethro_uk
2014-09-18 13:07:56 UTC
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Got a new laptop, and have gone to (re)install the HP software for my
wireless scanner printer.

The full package is 225Mb !!!!! wtf is that needed for ????
John Williamson
2014-09-18 13:23:56 UTC
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Post by Jethro_uk
Got a new laptop, and have gone to (re)install the HP software for my
wireless scanner printer.
The full package is 225Mb !!!!! wtf is that needed for ????
10 meg for the drivers, and 200 megabytes of bloatware, if it's anything
like what my HP portable printer CD insisted on installing.

Mine even had a picture input and editing program, and it's only a printer.
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fred
2014-09-18 13:35:25 UTC
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Post by Jethro_uk
Got a new laptop, and have gone to (re)install the HP software for my
wireless scanner printer.
The full package is 225Mb !!!!! wtf is that needed for ????
If it's anything like the all in one printer driver for one of theirs I
installed on a network a while back, it is for all the patches. More
bugs than a dodgy kebab shop with machine stopping 100% CPU usage for
several seconds every minute or so as it tried to poll the printer.

Item relegated to a standalone spare and networked printing/scanning now
performed by a proper colour OKI.
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Brian Gaff
2014-09-18 13:42:26 UTC
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Has it got an ocr or lots of set pieces of graphics, sounds a bit big.
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Post by Jethro_uk
Got a new laptop, and have gone to (re)install the HP software for my
wireless scanner printer.
The full package is 225Mb !!!!! wtf is that needed for ????
Jethro_uk
2014-09-18 13:52:56 UTC
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Post by Jethro_uk
Got a new laptop, and have gone to (re)install the HP software for my
wireless scanner printer.
The full package is 225Mb !!!!! wtf is that needed for ????
POS ... I've installed it, and the cunting thing wants me to *plug* the
fucking printer into the fucking laptop. The fucking printer which is
securely installed so you can't get to the USB port easily. Not to
mention the faff of carrying my fucking laptop to it, where there's no
flat surface to fucking stand the fucking cunting bastard up.

So it's a wireless printer, you need wires for.

Cockwombles.
John Williamson
2014-09-18 14:04:54 UTC
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Post by Jethro_uk
Post by Jethro_uk
Got a new laptop, and have gone to (re)install the HP software for my
wireless scanner printer.
The full package is 225Mb !!!!! wtf is that needed for ????
POS ... I've installed it, and the cunting thing wants me to *plug* the
fucking printer into the fucking laptop. The fucking printer which is
securely installed so you can't get to the USB port easily. Not to
mention the faff of carrying my fucking laptop to it, where there's no
flat surface to fucking stand the fucking cunting bastard up.
So it's a wireless printer, you need wires for.
Cockwombles.
Ah, yes. I had the same problem with my portable HP printer. You need to
connect by USB to install it, and when the wireless bit falls over, you
need to use USB to re-install it. Which is really helpful if you're in a
hotel room and forgot the USB cable because the printer's wireless, innit?
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John.
Jethro_uk
2014-09-18 14:32:52 UTC
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Post by John Williamson
Post by Jethro_uk
Post by Jethro_uk
Got a new laptop, and have gone to (re)install the HP software for my
wireless scanner printer.
The full package is 225Mb !!!!! wtf is that needed for ????
POS ... I've installed it, and the cunting thing wants me to *plug* the
fucking printer into the fucking laptop. The fucking printer which is
securely installed so you can't get to the USB port easily. Not to
mention the faff of carrying my fucking laptop to it, where there's no
flat surface to fucking stand the fucking cunting bastard up.
So it's a wireless printer, you need wires for.
Cockwombles.
Ah, yes. I had the same problem with my portable HP printer. You need to
connect by USB to install it, and when the wireless bit falls over, you
need to use USB to re-install it. Which is really helpful if you're in a
hotel room and forgot the USB cable because the printer's wireless, innit?
So did all that, and now the Solution Centre (which I need for scanning)
won't see the printer. Everything else can. Googling reveals this is a 4+
year old problem, with no defined fix.

Doesn't help that being a work laptop, this is locked down,
John Williamson
2014-09-18 18:03:42 UTC
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Post by Jethro_uk
Post by John Williamson
Post by Jethro_uk
Post by Jethro_uk
Got a new laptop, and have gone to (re)install the HP software for my
wireless scanner printer.
The full package is 225Mb !!!!! wtf is that needed for ????
POS ... I've installed it, and the cunting thing wants me to *plug* the
fucking printer into the fucking laptop. The fucking printer which is
securely installed so you can't get to the USB port easily. Not to
mention the faff of carrying my fucking laptop to it, where there's no
flat surface to fucking stand the fucking cunting bastard up.
So it's a wireless printer, you need wires for.
Cockwombles.
Ah, yes. I had the same problem with my portable HP printer. You need to
connect by USB to install it, and when the wireless bit falls over, you
need to use USB to re-install it. Which is really helpful if you're in a
hotel room and forgot the USB cable because the printer's wireless, innit?
So did all that, and now the Solution Centre (which I need for scanning)
won't see the printer. Everything else can. Googling reveals this is a 4+
year old problem, with no defined fix.
Doesn't help that being a work laptop, this is locked down,
It could be worse. You could be trying to get Linux to talk to it.
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Tim Watts
2014-09-18 19:55:30 UTC
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Post by John Williamson
It could be worse. You could be trying to get Linux to talk to it.
Ironically, these days, linux is usually easy - what with CUPS.

Essentially, if the printer is supported by MacOSX it is implicitally
supported by linux,
Weatherlawyer
2014-09-21 13:06:46 UTC
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Post by Tim Watts
Post by John Williamson
It could be worse. You could be trying to get Linux to talk to it.
Ironically, these days, linux is usually easy - what with CUPS.
Essentially, if the printer is supported by MacOSX it is implicitally
supported by linux,
Unless you are stupid enough to think Linux needs to be told what to do by a driver CD written for Windows.

(If you are printing officeware on Office Libre or Open Office just click: print the damned copies.)
polygonum
2014-09-18 18:08:22 UTC
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Post by Jethro_uk
Doesn't help
That's about the sum of it!

Had lots of problems with HP printers recently. Including must use USB
to connect wirelessly, then won't connect wirelessly. Seems some
WAPs/routers/somethings simply don't allow HP wireless printing to work.

Had to do an HP and a Canon Colour laser MFP at pretty much the same
time. The HP tooks hours and was still not fully happy (workabe within
the limits of its eventual use). The Canon was up and running far more
quickly and was towards the "just works" end of the scale.

Have seen printer downloads far bigger than that. Thank goodness we have
dual Infinity.
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Richard
2014-09-18 14:19:48 UTC
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Post by Jethro_uk
Post by Jethro_uk
Got a new laptop, and have gone to (re)install the HP software for my
wireless scanner printer.
The full package is 225Mb !!!!! wtf is that needed for ????
POS ... I've installed it, and the cunting thing wants me to *plug* the
fucking printer into the fucking laptop. The fucking printer which is
securely installed so you can't get to the USB port easily. Not to
mention the faff of carrying my fucking laptop to it, where there's no
flat surface to fucking stand the fucking cunting bastard up.
So it's a wireless printer, you need wires for.
Cockwombles.
Interesting. Model number please so that I may avoid as I'm currently
seeking a wireless laser.
TIA
Jethro_uk
2014-09-18 14:31:35 UTC
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Post by Richard
Post by Jethro_uk
Post by Jethro_uk
Got a new laptop, and have gone to (re)install the HP software for my
wireless scanner printer.
The full package is 225Mb !!!!! wtf is that needed for ????
POS ... I've installed it, and the cunting thing wants me to *plug* the
fucking printer into the fucking laptop. The fucking printer which is
securely installed so you can't get to the USB port easily. Not to
mention the faff of carrying my fucking laptop to it, where there's no
flat surface to fucking stand the fucking cunting bastard up.
So it's a wireless printer, you need wires for.
Cockwombles.
Interesting. Model number please so that I may avoid as I'm currently
seeking a wireless laser.
TIA
OfficeJet 4500
fred
2014-09-18 15:12:19 UTC
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Post by Jethro_uk
Post by Richard
Interesting. Model number please so that I may avoid as I'm currently
seeking a wireless laser.
TIA
OfficeJet 4500
Oooooh f'ck, take it back now and save yourself much stress and
swearing, that is the model I referred to above and which put HP firmly
at the bottom of my shit list.

HP really do not give a f'ck about the driver bugs and will probably
never get round to fixing them. Did you wonder why they are so cheap?
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Jethro_uk
2014-09-18 15:48:36 UTC
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Post by fred
Post by Jethro_uk
Post by Richard
Interesting. Model number please so that I may avoid as I'm currently
seeking a wireless laser.
TIA
OfficeJet 4500
Oooooh f'ck, take it back now and save yourself much stress and
swearing, that is the model I referred to above and which put HP firmly
at the bottom of my shit list.
HP really do not give a f'ck about the driver bugs and will probably
never get round to fixing them. Did you wonder why they are so cheap?
to be fair it was much better than the Canon I had.

I might see if I can get it to work from my [Linux] server.

The thing is it prints. But without the solution centre I can't scan.
Which I need to do for expenses receipts :(
michael adams
2014-09-18 15:55:57 UTC
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Post by Jethro_uk
Post by fred
Post by Jethro_uk
Post by Richard
Interesting. Model number please so that I may avoid as I'm currently
seeking a wireless laser.
TIA
OfficeJet 4500
Oooooh f'ck, take it back now and save yourself much stress and
swearing, that is the model I referred to above and which put HP firmly
at the bottom of my shit list.
HP really do not give a f'ck about the driver bugs and will probably
never get round to fixing them. Did you wonder why they are so cheap?
to be fair it was much better than the Canon I had.
The mind boggles.

On Amazon, the OfficeJet 4500 got 221 one star reviews (its impossible to give zero
or negative stars) out of a total of 494 reviews

http://www.amazon.com/HP-Officejet-4500-CB867A-B1H/product-reviews/B0036TGGJ6/ref=cm_cr_dp_qt_hist_one?ie=UTF8&filterBy=addOneStar&showViewpoints=0

It looks like there's plenty to look forward to.


michael adams

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Adrian
2014-09-18 16:05:22 UTC
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Post by Jethro_uk
I might see if I can get it to work from my [Linux] server.
The thing is it prints. But without the solution centre I can't scan.
Which I need to do for expenses receipts :(
You'll find it a doddle under Linux. Just pick the model from the list,
and - bingo. Print and scan drivers installed in zero time and without
bloatiness.
Jethro_uk
2014-09-18 16:15:28 UTC
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Post by Adrian
Post by Jethro_uk
I might see if I can get it to work from my [Linux] server.
The thing is it prints. But without the solution centre I can't scan.
Which I need to do for expenses receipts :(
You'll find it a doddle under Linux. Just pick the model from the list,
and - bingo. Print and scan drivers installed in zero time and without
bloatiness.
Maybe not ... seems the QT subsystem doesn't like running on a remote
display - certainly not under X2Go. So it has to be a console jobbie, and
guess what ? The server is tucked away without space for a monitor, or a
keyboard.

I used to use TeamViewer in cases like this, but for reasons best known
to my IT departments policies, it doesn't seem to want to work under this
Laptops windows 7 installation.

Oh well, it makes life interesting ;)
Clive George
2014-09-18 18:12:07 UTC
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Post by Jethro_uk
The thing is it prints. But without the solution centre I can't scan.
Which I need to do for expenses receipts :(
Take a photo.
Grimly Curmudgeon
2014-09-19 00:14:53 UTC
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On Thu, 18 Sep 2014 15:48:36 +0000 (UTC), Jethro_uk
Post by Jethro_uk
The thing is it prints. But without the solution centre I can't scan.
It being an all-in-one is a bugger.
Have you looked on the install disc for a basic driver-only
installation?
HP do provide that option, I found. Perhaps not for all machines, but
a lot. If you're running it on MS, the bundled HP drivers are usually
pretty good, and free of all the extra crap.
Tim Watts
2014-09-19 08:33:25 UTC
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Post by Grimly Curmudgeon
On Thu, 18 Sep 2014 15:48:36 +0000 (UTC), Jethro_uk
Post by Jethro_uk
The thing is it prints. But without the solution centre I can't scan.
It being an all-in-one is a bugger.
Have you looked on the install disc for a basic driver-only
installation?
HP do provide that option, I found. Perhaps not for all machines, but
a lot. If you're running it on MS, the bundled HP drivers are usually
pretty good, and free of all the extra crap.
Sure it doesn't have scan2email? Many printers do these days.
fred
2014-09-19 09:49:35 UTC
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Post by Grimly Curmudgeon
On Thu, 18 Sep 2014 15:48:36 +0000 (UTC), Jethro_uk
Post by Jethro_uk
The thing is it prints. But without the solution centre I can't scan.
It being an all-in-one is a bugger.
Have you looked on the install disc for a basic driver-only
installation?
HP do provide that option, I found. Perhaps not for all machines, but
a lot. If you're running it on MS, the bundled HP drivers are usually
pretty good, and free of all the extra crap.
My guess is that basic and twain drivers will only work if connected by
usb. It might not be a bad experiment though to install basic/twain to
usb and then change the scanning port parameters to point at the
wireless IP of the printer. It'll need a fixed IP assigned at the router
to have any chance of working though.
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Mike Tomlinson
2014-09-21 11:59:34 UTC
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Post by Jethro_uk
OfficeJet 4500
We recently bought a OJ8600. It works for printing with the OJ8500
drivers from Windows Update, which are a lot smaller than 250MB.

No scanner functionality tho - I guess we would have to install the
bloatware for that.

Can't you install by hand from Device Mangler - Update Driver and point
it at the right folder on the CD?
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The Natural Philosopher
2014-09-18 15:08:08 UTC
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Post by Richard
Post by Jethro_uk
Post by Jethro_uk
Got a new laptop, and have gone to (re)install the HP software for my
wireless scanner printer.
The full package is 225Mb !!!!! wtf is that needed for ????
POS ... I've installed it, and the cunting thing wants me to *plug* the
fucking printer into the fucking laptop. The fucking printer which is
securely installed so you can't get to the USB port easily. Not to
mention the faff of carrying my fucking laptop to it, where there's no
flat surface to fucking stand the fucking cunting bastard up.
So it's a wireless printer, you need wires for.
Cockwombles.
Interesting. Model number please so that I may avoid as I'm currently
seeking a wireless laser.
TIA
Had nothing but trouble with wireless sprinters and even more with
scanner/printers.

Ethernet networked printer? 100% solid.
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rare story of which you happen to have first-hand knowledge. – Erwin Knoll
Richard
2014-09-18 15:22:05 UTC
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Post by The Natural Philosopher
Post by Richard
Post by Jethro_uk
Post by Jethro_uk
Got a new laptop, and have gone to (re)install the HP software for my
wireless scanner printer.
The full package is 225Mb !!!!! wtf is that needed for ????
POS ... I've installed it, and the cunting thing wants me to *plug* the
fucking printer into the fucking laptop. The fucking printer which is
securely installed so you can't get to the USB port easily. Not to
mention the faff of carrying my fucking laptop to it, where there's no
flat surface to fucking stand the fucking cunting bastard up.
So it's a wireless printer, you need wires for.
Cockwombles.
Interesting. Model number please so that I may avoid as I'm currently
seeking a wireless laser.
TIA
Had nothing but trouble with wireless sprinters and even more with
scanner/printers.
Ethernet networked printer? 100% solid.
My current Canon all in one inkjet works perfectly wirelessly (tempting
fate) with a windows7 and windows vista laptop and two different macbook
pros (one running Parallels). The cost of ink is why I want to change to
laser.
Nick
2014-09-18 16:51:09 UTC
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Post by Richard
Post by Jethro_uk
Post by Jethro_uk
Got a new laptop, and have gone to (re)install the HP software for my
wireless scanner printer.
The full package is 225Mb !!!!! wtf is that needed for ????
POS ... I've installed it, and the cunting thing wants me to *plug* the
fucking printer into the fucking laptop. The fucking printer which is
securely installed so you can't get to the USB port easily. Not to
mention the faff of carrying my fucking laptop to it, where there's no
flat surface to fucking stand the fucking cunting bastard up.
So it's a wireless printer, you need wires for.
Cockwombles.
Interesting. Model number please so that I may avoid as I'm currently
seeking a wireless laser.
TIA
I bought a 'HP Laserjet Pro 200 Color M276nw All-in-One Printer' from
Amazon last December. As has been stated, you have to use a USB lead on
initial configuration, and laptops don't balance very well on top of the
printer! for reasons unresolved it popped in and out of view on the two
laptops it was being used by and I had to reinstall several times.

OTOH, as well as the full (bloatware) package on the website, there is
(at least for this and the Officejet 6310 I've also got), a minimal
install package which is still fairly big for what it is but just gives
print and scan drivers. As well as that, after the third re-install it
has been rock-solid ever since (9 months). I'll just pop down and check
it hasn't exploded as I press the 'post' button.
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Tim Watts
2014-09-18 15:21:31 UTC
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Post by Jethro_uk
Post by Jethro_uk
Got a new laptop, and have gone to (re)install the HP software for my
wireless scanner printer.
The full package is 225Mb !!!!! wtf is that needed for ????
POS ... I've installed it, and the cunting thing wants me to *plug* the
fucking printer into the fucking laptop. The fucking printer which is
securely installed so you can't get to the USB port easily. Not to
mention the faff of carrying my fucking laptop to it, where there's no
flat surface to fucking stand the fucking cunting bastard up.
So it's a wireless printer, you need wires for.
Cockwombles.
Get a Samsung next time - more like what HP used to be...

But still full of bugs, which seems to be a standard feature of all
printers...
Mike Tomlinson
2014-09-21 12:16:18 UTC
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Post by Jethro_uk
POS ... I've installed it, and the cunting thing wants me to *plug* the
fucking printer into the fucking laptop
http://theoatmeal.com/comics/printers
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Richard
2014-09-21 12:29:26 UTC
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Post by Mike Tomlinson
Post by Jethro_uk
POS ... I've installed it, and the cunting thing wants me to *plug* the
fucking printer into the fucking laptop
http://theoatmeal.com/comics/printers
TYVM :)
The Natural Philosopher
2014-09-18 15:06:20 UTC
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Post by Jethro_uk
Got a new laptop, and have gone to (re)install the HP software for my
wireless scanner printer.
The full package is 225Mb !!!!! wtf is that needed for ????
probably a full blown postcript interepter/compiler complete with fonts.
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Scott M
2014-09-18 18:40:59 UTC
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Post by Jethro_uk
Got a new laptop, and have gone to (re)install the HP software for my
wireless scanner printer.
The full package is 225Mb !!!!! wtf is that needed for ????
I had (well, still have) an HP printer 10 years ago that wanted to
install a similarly stupid amount of stuff where it was a significant
proportion of the hard drive size.

However, just by pointing the driver installer at the appropriate
directory it would just use the 30k of driver instead :-)
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Andrew Gabriel
2014-09-22 08:49:56 UTC
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Post by Jethro_uk
Got a new laptop, and have gone to (re)install the HP software for my
wireless scanner printer.
The full package is 225Mb !!!!! wtf is that needed for ????
IME, the HP drivers are stuffed full of pop-up adware for the ink
cartridges.

We have a photosmart c6180 in the family, and the way I found to
install that without all the crap is to start the full install
as far as unpacking the archive, and then if you search the
unpacked files, you will find a bog standard windows printer
driver directory buried in all the crap, and you point windows
at just that to install, and abandon the HP setup install.

The printer hardware seems to be very good (i'm told it's one
of the last HP's which was), but it's completely let down by
terible quality software drivers. We bought one with a sheet
feeder to allow scanning of documents, but the software for that
never worked - after a few pages, it's leaked all the system's
memory away and craps out. The drivers have never been updated
to fix any bugs.
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Tim Watts
2014-09-22 09:52:44 UTC
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Post by Andrew Gabriel
Post by Jethro_uk
Got a new laptop, and have gone to (re)install the HP software for my
wireless scanner printer.
The full package is 225Mb !!!!! wtf is that needed for ????
IME, the HP drivers are stuffed full of pop-up adware for the ink
cartridges.
We have a photosmart c6180 in the family, and the way I found to
install that without all the crap is to start the full install
as far as unpacking the archive, and then if you search the
unpacked files, you will find a bog standard windows printer
driver directory buried in all the crap, and you point windows
at just that to install, and abandon the HP setup install.
The printer hardware seems to be very good (i'm told it's one
of the last HP's which was), but it's completely let down by
terible quality software drivers. We bought one with a sheet
feeder to allow scanning of documents, but the software for that
never worked - after a few pages, it's leaked all the system's
memory away and craps out. The drivers have never been updated
to fix any bugs.
I had a C6180 too with duplexer attachment. Linux drove it very well
using the HPIO drivers, including scanning with and without the sheet
feeder.

It was replaced due to old age with a Samsung laser with scan to email
which solves the scanning issues. Again, printing via CUPS is reliable,
though direct printing from Android using the Samsung app is as flakey
as fuck.

It is fascinating to remember how Windows used to be unstable but mostly
worked whilst linux was a PITA. How times changed. I can think of very
little on linux that is not now a crappier/harder/more expensive
experience with MS Windows.

You could say MS are not at fault as it's pretty common for most 3rd
party "drivers" to be bloated bits of crap, but MS could have solved it
by having "Certified for Windows" mean "basic easy minimalistic setup
out of the box, optional crap is optional".
m***@care2.com
2014-09-22 08:53:42 UTC
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Post by Jethro_uk
Got a new laptop, and have gone to (re)install the HP software for my
wireless scanner printer.
The full package is 225Mb !!!!! wtf is that needed for ????
We've just retired a 1990s hp printer, and it still works & prints well. I suspect you're better off buying an old one.


NT
Grimly Curmudgeon
2014-09-23 00:21:37 UTC
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Post by m***@care2.com
We've just retired a 1990s hp printer, and it still works & prints well. I suspect you're better off buying an old one.
I've just (well, recently) bought a 1995 HP LJ5P, and am happy as
Larry with it. Just does the job, no pissing around.
Windows drivers installed automatically from the W7 repository and it
integrates properly with everything that needs it.

No bloat, no crap, just prints.
polygonum
2014-09-23 06:10:50 UTC
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Post by Grimly Curmudgeon
Post by m***@care2.com
We've just retired a 1990s hp printer, and it still works & prints well. I suspect you're better off buying an old one.
I've just (well, recently) bought a 1995 HP LJ5P, and am happy as
Larry with it. Just does the job, no pissing around.
Windows drivers installed automatically from the W7 repository and it
integrates properly with everything that needs it.
No bloat, no crap, just prints.
Agreed about the software but I have come across a few older HP printers
(not certain now, but I think LJ 4) which produced a horrible slightly
petrol-like smell. Nothing obviously wrong and they carried on working,
but I certainly wouldn't want that in an office, let alone at home.
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Dave W
2014-09-23 07:40:29 UTC
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Post by polygonum
Post by Grimly Curmudgeon
Post by m***@care2.com
We've just retired a 1990s hp printer, and it still works & prints well. I suspect you're better off buying an old one.
I've just (well, recently) bought a 1995 HP LJ5P, and am happy as
Larry with it. Just does the job, no pissing around.
Windows drivers installed automatically from the W7 repository and it
integrates properly with everything that needs it.
No bloat, no crap, just prints.
Agreed about the software but I have come across a few older HP printers
(not certain now, but I think LJ 4) which produced a horrible slightly
petrol-like smell. Nothing obviously wrong and they carried on working,
but I certainly wouldn't want that in an office, let alone at home.
The LJ4 runs its motor 24/7, no standby mode.
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Dave W
Huge
2014-09-23 21:24:21 UTC
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Post by Grimly Curmudgeon
Post by m***@care2.com
We've just retired a 1990s hp printer, and it still works & prints well. I suspect you're better off buying an old one.
I've just (well, recently) bought a 1995 HP LJ5P, and am happy as
Larry with it. Just does the job, no pissing around.
Windows drivers installed automatically from the W7 repository and it
integrates properly with everything that needs it.
No bloat, no crap, just prints.
I have an LJ5M & despair of what will happen when it finally packs up. I
think (IIRC) it was £35 on eBay.
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Today is Sweetmorn, the 47th day of Bureaucracy in the YOLD 3180
"Politics is the art of looking for trouble, finding it everywhere,
diagnosing it incorrectly and applying the wrong remedies”. Groucho Marx.
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